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Remember Gary Dotson?
posted by Adam on 09:36 AM April 30th, 2004
False Accusations Luek writes "Here is a blast from the past about a man who was convicted of rape and was tortured by the state for 8 years before the false accuser recanted. Even after she told the truth Gary Dotson still was not released from prison by the sadistic state!"

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And...? (Score:2)
by Dittohd on 12:34 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#1)
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So what happens to the woman who lied to the police, lied in court, and put this guy in jail for 8 years for something he didn't do?

Isn't everything she did against the law?

I wonder. Should the law be changed so that district attorneys and judges no longer have discretion in cases like this? And what should the punishment be?

I vote for three times the amount of time that the innocent man was in jail and reimbursement to the government of all police and court costs.

Does her reversing her stance and getting him out of jail after 8 years make up for what she did to this guy?

Dittohd

Re:And...? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:19 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#5)
She was found "not guilty by reason of being female", perhaps...?

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Re:And...? (Score:1)
by Hunchback on 04:09 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#7)
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I believe in the Old Testament concept that one who knowingly falsely accuses his neighbor gets the sentence his neighbor would've. She should receive the jail time he would've and been forced to register on a false accuser list. Ruining someone's life on a whim is far worse than the crime of rape IMO.

...but. A woman once said in response, that by making the penalties for false accusation so harsh we would ensure that no woman would ever recant regardless of conscience. That gave me a little pause, but I think I'd still take my chances with the deterrent. Perhaps recanting women should get half the sentence, and women who are caught in the lie double the sentence. And please, someone, get rid of them malted fudgin' Shield Laws.
Re:And...? (Score:2)
by Thomas on 04:39 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Perhaps recanting women should get half the sentence, and women who are caught in the lie double the sentence.

This sort of thing is actually pretty standard. People who plead guilty to a crime often receive lighter sentences than they would have if they'd pleaded innocent and then been convicted. There's lots of plea bargaining.

The maximum penalty for false accusations should be at least as great as the maximum penalty for the crime for which someone was falsely accused.

Thomas
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A&E Broadcast - American justice (Score:1)
by A.J. on 12:48 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#2)
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The TV show American Justice on A&E covered this story in an episode called False Witness in the year 2000 (I think). I’ve checked A&E and they don’t have it on their schedule.

I suggest that everyone email A&E requesting that this show be rebroadcast.

http://www.aetv.com/global/feedback/faq.jsp?NetwCo de=AEN&level_1=nodes_5&level_2=nodes_37&level_3=no des_88&x=31&y=14#

For those familiar with American Justice, shows get recycled many times and this one may be sitting on the shelf collecting dust. A few requests might get results.

As I remember, the show goes into some detail about feminists’ resistance to releasing Gary Dotson, believing the accuser’s original story but trashing her credibility when she finally came clean. And if I remember right, in spite of the eventual DNA tests, Dotson’s conviction has never been overturned. His sentence was just commuted and he’s still legally a convicted rapist.

Still a convicted rapist? (Score:2)
by Dittohd on 01:01 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#4)
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>And if I remember right, in spite of the eventual DNA tests, Dotson’s conviction has never been overturned. His sentence was just commuted and he’s still legally a convicted rapist.

According to the article, they were able to get the district attorney to finally drop all charges against Dotson. Based on that and the way they worded it, I assumed he's no longer a convicted rapist.

Dittohd

Re:Still a convicted rapist? (Score:1)
by A.J. on 01:20 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Based on that and the way they worded it, I assumed he's no longer a convicted rapist.

Yes, it seems as if there’s a conflict but the article isn't very clear in my opinion. What does it mean to “drop charges” against someone who’s already been convicted? As I understand it he's forever a convicted rapist unless the conviction is overturned. The article makes no mention of overturning or reversing anything. That’s why I’d like to see more detail on this.
Re:A&E Broadcast - American justice (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:48 PM May 1st, 2004 EST (#12)
Here it is on Amazon.com

Ray

(click) American Justice

There's also this:

(click) The Wrong Men: America's Epidemic of Wrongful Death Row Convictions

Ray
And...? P.S. (Score:2)
by Dittohd on 12:53 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#3)
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One more thing.

How can any guy in a situation such as this not hold any animosity toward the woman who did this to him? I keep hearing this in almost every similar case and I totally don't get it.

Is this some universal politically correct garbage that all these guys are told they must say in order to look good to the public? Are these guys brainwashed beyond repair?

If it happened to me, I'd be gunning for blood when I got out... and I wouldn't care what was done to me afterward as a consequence of my actions.

She'd be dead, dead, dead! I'd see to it! Nothing would stop me! She wouldn't stand a chance in hell!

Dittohd

Here's a more in depth aritcle, & other good stuff (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:07 AM May 1st, 2004 EST (#9)
"...concern to see justice done has become so inextricably bound to their initial suspicions that they are unable to accept even overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence that those first impressions were wrong..."

I started off the list with an in depth article about the Dotson case from Northwestern University School of Law, then one on the Javert Syndrome, then a page on the Dotson case from The Innocence Project, then a False Accusation Model, then an excellent article by Dr. Farrell, then an excellent article by Dr. Hoff-Sommers. If you took these to your next Take Back The Night rally you'd have a lot of good material to make a case why men should, "TAKE BACK THE TRUTH." A lot more stuff came up in the "Google" search, but these were among the best.

All of these articles mention the Dotson case. I think Javert Syndrome was very much at work in the Dotson case as it is in so many cases that are brought against men, because feminist training of cops and judges teaches those people to profile men in prejudiced and bigoted ways.

Ray

(click) The Rape That Wasn't

and others:

(clcik) Javert Syndrome

(click) The Innocence Project

(click) The False Rape Accusation Model vs. Cathleen Crowell's Allegations

(click) The Kobe Bryant Case: Before a Jury Decides, "The Politics of Rape" Should be Required Reading - Dr. Warren Farrell

(click) An Investigation of Feminist Claims about Rape - Dr. Christina Hoff-Sommers
Re:Here's a more in depth aritcle, & other good st (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:26 AM May 1st, 2004 EST (#10)
"At the hearing on Dotson's motion for a new trial, the trial judge refused to order a new trial. His reasoning was that the complainant was more believable in her original testimony than in her recantation." - The Innocence Project

With such glarring inconsistencies in testimony, clearly the false accuser was/is a liar. In other words, she had proven herself to be a liar. Yet, the judge takes the word of a proven liar in her initial statement.


The Great (Man-Hating) Hate State of Illinois (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:09 AM May 1st, 2004 EST (#11)
"...a man who was convicted of rape and was tortured by the state for 8 years before the false accuser recanted. Even after she told the truth Gary Dotson still was not released from prison by the sadistic state!"

"At the hearing on Dotson's motion for a new trial, the trial judge refused to order a new trial. His reasoning was that the complainant was more believable in her original testimony than in her recantation." - The Innocence Project

With such glaring inconsistencies in testimony, clearly the false accuser was a liar. In other words, she had proven herself to be a liar. Yet, the judge takes the word of a proven liar in her initial statement to be true.

"Javert Syndrome ---a pathological form of madness in which preconception overrules perception, belief overrules reality."

"Sometimes ...concern to see justice done has become so inextricably bound to the initial suspicions that they are unable to accept even overwhelming, incontrovertible evidence that those first impressions were wrong. Something clicks. Something irrational and illogical takes over, and police and prosecutors settle into the pathology of Javert Syndrome. The result is double injustice."

If you want to know how I really feel about such tyranny of law in america, just click on the 7 links below. The misandrist tyranny of the prejudiced "fools on the bench (judges)" already constitutes a form of anarchy in america. If these fools are not criminals, then they must surely be excused by reason of insanity.

I was unable to find anywhere what kind of penalty the false accuser received for committing what appears to be a "hate crime" against this man. Has anybody found anything? I know she wrote a book entitled, "Forgive Me." I wonder what she did with the profits from the sales of that book.

Ray

(click) Can Never Know Justice

(click) Sexist Justice

(click) Female Criminality

(click) Law Has No Integrity

(click) Felony False Accusers

(click) Pimp of Injustice

(click) Black Robes

(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)

Re:The Great (Man-Hating) Hate State of Illinois (Score:2)
by Luek on 01:32 PM May 1st, 2004 EST (#13)
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If you want to know how I really feel about such tyranny of law in america, just click on the 7 links below. The misandrist tyranny of the prejudiced "fools on the bench (judges)" already constitutes a form of anarchy in america. If these fools are not criminals, then they must surely be excused by reason of insanity.

Always remember: "More pain, suffering and injustice in our society has been caused by the fascist tyrants in black robes than was ever caused by the fascist tyrants in white ones."

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