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by Anonymous User on 02:22 AM March 27th, 2004 EST (#9)
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"...has turned the entire state into a child support collection plantation!
Luek:
I thought about what you said today and think Michigan's divorced Fathers and their children are really getting a raw deal at the hands of a really stupid bunch of feminist toadies.
Ray
(Click) Stop Government's War on Fathers
(Click) Put Politicians in Debtor's Prison
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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Now this isn't to say that fathers do not have responsibility for their children, but awarded monthly support payment amounts often exceed the actual costs of raising a child and often resemble punitive damage payments to the mother who has sole responsibility for every decision for the child.
When the mother has "sole responsibility for every decision for the child", then I emphatically maintain she has the sole responsibility for the financial burden as well. When men are forbidden by law from determining where their children live, where they go to school, where they go to church, how they should be disciplined, and even forbidden from seeing their children at all except for "approved" times (which are often honored in the breach by mothers and the courts) then the "taking responsibility" rhetoric is just a load of BS. Let's start seeing child support for what it is: legal extortion designed to shift the burden of subsidizing female-headed households off of the government. Politicians, Republicans and Democrats both, couldn't care less what legal rights men should have.
BTW, Daniel Amneus is the author of two excellent works "The Garbage Generation" and "The Case for Paternal Custody" which detail how our country is, in fact, a matriarchy, no matter how loud feminists screech we are a "patriarchy". I also recommend the writings of Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D., for some additional excellent perspective on all of this.
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by Anonymous User on 01:59 PM March 26th, 2004 EST (#3)
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It is INDEED a matriarchy!
If it were a "patriarchy" it would be WOMEN not men who would be faceing these civil, political, social and leagal problems to the point of madness.
Of course many women and the feminists will say "but the country is run by men". To which I say what I always say, and that is; Who runs the puppet show the puppets or the PUPPETEERS?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Who runs the puppet show the puppets or the PUPPETEERS?
"But what difference does it make whether women rule, or the rulers are ruled by women? The result is the same."
- Aristotle
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I have two comments to this thread, one that summarizes my view on extraordinary celebrity awards,the otheron the notion of the absurd level of criminality of the "dead beat dad".
Some years ago Bianca Jager was awarded 26 million in divorce settlement from Mick. Bianca came from money and has never seen a hungry day in her life and has no real empirical notion of what the word "need" means and the whole thing stank of vindictiveness. Because of the phenominal economic resourses Mick has he managed to dodge the baliffs for years. London School of Economics graduate Mick said "twenty-six million is utterly preposterous...on a per unit basis, $2000.00 a trick Heidie Klum hookers would have been MUCH cheaper"
My other observation is this...if Sidhartha Gautama (aka the buddha) was alive today he would be incarcerated for non-payment of support, having voluntarily given up his wealth in persuit of the highest level of spiritual insight "for the sake of all living things"...he was a dead beat dad which as every feminazi knows and nobody would dare question makes you the very worst sort of non-violent criminal and utterly negates anything else you might have done for the human community.
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by Anonymous User on 09:32 PM March 26th, 2004 EST (#6)
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I agree. Forcing a male to pay huge amounts of money and putting him in jail merely because he had consensual sex is disgusting. That has nothing to do with "fatherhood" or the best interests of children. Its about government control of male sexuality. Let's just leave non-marital sex to consenting adults and get the government out of the bedroom.
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by Anonymous User on 02:38 AM March 27th, 2004 EST (#10)
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"...he was a dead beat dad which as every feminazi knows and nobody would dare question makes you the very worst sort of non-violent criminal and utterly negates anything else you might have done for the human community."
Let's do question our feminist toady politician's assertations, because it is they who are the truest deadbeats.
(Click) When Gov't Follows Only Feminists
(Click) Gov't's that put Father's in Debtor Prison are Deadbeats
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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In cases where a father for one raeson or another cannot support his children but remains in the home getting along with his wife only the lunatic fringe right wing anti-welfare type would even suggest incarcerating him. So what makes the "dead beat dad"any different? Simple, he is divorced and that somehow makes him fair game.
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by Anonymous User on 08:43 PM March 26th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I'd like to thank CJ and the editors of this site for not trying to endorse Brown's behavior in any way. Sometimes I get concerned that MANN is becoming simply the mirror image of sites like NOW, and the quality of articles posted here can vary by quite a bit. I understand anyone can submit articles, and I think that is this site's greatest asset. But I do hope more can be done to encourage responsible journalism by posting more quality descriptions of articles like CJ's above.
Damian
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by Anonymous User on 10:24 PM March 26th, 2004 EST (#7)
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I'm not sure if the $63,500 is excessive, or for how long Brown is in arrears. I would agree that he should contribute to the support of his children.
This article suggests that perhaps he really can't pay the money, which is a different case. It may indeed be that due process was ignored. The judge simply "found" that Brown's contention that he had not received an advance "not credible." It sounds like his financial history was not even examined by the feminist judge. And of course the money had to be paid in full. What happens if he still can't pay next time? What a mess.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 02:08 AM March 27th, 2004 EST (#8)
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"...his life reflects that of many underprivileged men who end up in debtor’s prison (remember the constitution was supposed to protect against this)."
Warren Farrell said in one of his books that the greatest indicator of delinquency in a minor is Fatherlessness, yet the government routinely denies disadvantaged, out of work, or sick Fathers access to their children, because they can't row the slave master's ship of state fast enough. Each Father's situation is unique, but each Father faces hard times if he has children and has suffered a divorce. My heart goes out to them all.
Ray
(click) Deadbeat Government
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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Bobby Brown has a lot of personal problems. He is not unique to the attacks against Males. Debtor Prison for late or back payment of child support with Paternity Fraud are evidence that the government is out of control. Men will eventually get tired of protecting this corrupt system. Let the Feminazis fight the Islamic Terrorists. When we see more than 500 dead Women in Iraq then we will see equality. Otherwise we are cannon fodder, beasts of burden, Sperm donors, & paychecks.
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