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As much as I don't like being compared to a dog and being considered by women as their pet, I must admit this author is clever and I kinda like her sense of humor.
>... no matter how hard Ann tries, she'll never change her Pug into a Golden Retriever. I know, because I've watched many women, including myself, try but fail to change their men. You can't change the spots on a dog. The same applies to men.
I say, if it takes a sense of humor such as this woman's to teach women to pick us based on the type of men we really are and not with the surreptitious plan of changing us after the marriage, maybe there's a good side to this.
>When you meet a man, you'll know if he's a Great Dane man, a Shih Tzu man, or a Poodle man. Those of you currently in a relationship will understand how to "train" and "handle" your breed of man.
I wonder if this means that we are evolving to the point where in the not too distant future, women will be supporting us rather than the other way around. After all, women now far outnumber us in college.
Anyone here think women could handle it? At that point maybe we can enjoy life more with a lot less responsibility and maybe women will start dying sooner than us.
Dittohd
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Let's not get too sensitive guys. I perused Dr. Larura's book at the bookstore for a short while. Everything I read semmed to excoriate women for their egocentric, boorish, belittling, and destructive attitudes and behaviors towards men. The book was very pro man.
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I was recently given a copy of Dr. Laura's book, "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands."
Not knowing what to expect from this author, I was pleasantly surprised by her incisive critique of feminism as the source of most societal problems in the ongoing "gender wars."
Without discounting women's emotional power or advocating for a return to a mythical simpler time, Dr. Laura argues persuasively that women need to use their relationship power with greater attention to ethical behavior and far less self-centeredness.
If you can get past her "men are simple creatures" tag line, it's a worthwhile read for anyone wanting to understand why so many relationships end up casualties of feminism's ill-intentioned prescriptions.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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"If you can get past her "men are simple creatures" tag line..."
I've read in a couple of places over the last ten years or so that men are actually the more complicated of the species. (I think it was Zubaty and Tiger, but I'm not sure.)
Do we want to be regarded as complex? I may be complex, but I guess I don't think I want to be regarded as such. Foolish old-wives tales like "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" try to boil us down, but any woman who's ever had a long-term relationship with a man knows this is overly simplistic. But I guess in terms of the complexity of dealing with me (and men in general) I would really prefer that my wife and my daughters and the women I know at work and socially NOT be intimidated by the complexities of dealing with me. I'd rather be regarded as uncomplicated, when it's possible to do so.
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i actualy like the rad fems compaired to these women. at least you know that thier against you.
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by Anonymous User on 07:19 PM February 8th, 2004 EST (#4)
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then women must be bitches.
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Now, there is a certain logic to this...
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That's right, men ARE dogs, and dogs rule!
The Biscuit Queen (ie dogcrazyjen)
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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No one rules who is enough of a coward to decline to be identified. If you REALLY ruled, you'd have no reason to be afraid to get yourself a handle.
Have you counted the female members of Congress lately? I'd remind you that the only reason women rule right now is because men LET them.
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by Anonymous User on 06:37 PM February 10th, 2004 EST (#37)
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Don't worry everyone.
the only reason the troll is saying these things is because she (perhaps he?) KNOWS that that "power" is now being SIRIOUSLY challenged! and she/he/it is gonna LOOSE big time, in the end.
That's how bigots operate.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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True, but definitely not something to brag about. In fact as a man, I'm downright ashamed of this fact.
If it wasn't for christanity and chivalry we'd not be in this mess.
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Men are dogs, women rule!
As much as our little bigot is, indeed, trolling for attention, there is a certain amount of truth in its words.
Women *do* rule our society -- and it's painfully clear just how responsibly they've done so.
They've set up a system that gives them vast privilege and freedom from responsibility, and have institutionalized a virtual 'slave' class to support them, and all the while referring to that as 'fairness' and 'equality.' It's veritably Orwellian.
(Dear bigot: Orwell was an 'author.' That's a person who writes 'books.' You should try reading one sometime. I suggest anything by Orwell, or any work of history written before about 1970.)
There are real and valid reasons why those who know history see many parallels between Germany under the nazis and our current society under the rule of feminist dogma.
Secret courts, denial of basic human rights, denial of due process, propaganda in the media to promote hatred against the demonized group, history revised to support political agenda, laws that disadvantage and oppress one group, claiming 'victimhood' while actually being the oppressors -- the litany goes on and on, and is well familiar to people here, and should be glaringly obvious to anyone with half a brain and half a soul.
Once more, the fight against the hate mongers must be fought. And once more, it will be won.
I just pray we, as humans, learn the lesson this time, and don't have to keep fighting this fight over and over.
Ragtime.
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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On this one I come down on the side of "let's have a sense of humor". I mean, I DID find the into a bit "catering" to what women want, but the book and dog types seems funny and done in a gentle way.
I did NOT like the into with this part:
"Let's say a woman, Ann, wants a man who will wait on her hand and foot. She wants him to have a successful career so that she can quit her job and have children. She would like him to be easy to train. If she asks him to mow the lawn, it's done."
The underlying and unspoken problem is what "ANN" wants. She wants to be unworking, lazy, leech who thinks she deserves "prince charming". My wife gets "prince charming". Why? She INSPIRES me to be romantic and sappy by her actions, thoughtfullness, and her loving stick-with-it (meaning us) attitude. I used to buy her flowers every few weeks/months until she told me to stop (they were about $40-70 a "bunch). We still DO things for each other but she doesn't need me to show her my love a la "DeBeers" or "Kays". My question for "ANN" would be: "What do YOU do to inspire a man to want to do these things for you, or are you just thinking the 'wonderfulness of you' is enough?"
A woman, such as my wife, doesn't demand, imply, nag, or make me feel less for NOT doing these things. But since she doesn't ask for some kind of COMPENSATION I **WANT** to show her my appreciation for her gentle presence in my life. And trust me, she gives me the same. But a one-way-street princess is gonna be a lonely, bitter EX-wife with maxed-out credit cards spent on therapists (who tell her what she wants to hear) and self-help-books (which tell her it's "somebody else").
Point being, if you inspire someone to the heights of romance they will be romantic. Sitting on your ass thinking how it would be nice to be pampered by someone else is just plain SELF-CENTERED and SELF-ABSORBED.
It sounds like a cute book. We MRA's GOTTA maintain a sense of humor and not become overly sensitized.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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I guess I am a little humor impaired because I have spent the last five years working in a place where men have been forced to apologize for making jokes about women and shopping malls. You don't even have to say anything to a woman. All she has to do is overhear you making a remark to another man that she deems offensive, and she can file charges. You will then either have to apologize or be sent to sensitivity training or both. Most conversations about women are carried out in whispers with many uneasy glances to make sure that there isn't one in hearing distance.
It is much the sheer one-sidedness of it all that pisses me off as anything else. Although personally I would prefer a woman who could see me as a human being, not as a Golden Retriever.
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I understand and agree with your point skippy. This one-sided sensitivity training is pure intimidation tactics. All you have to do is ask a woman how many times in the past year she has honestly been afraid for her job when she made comments or spread gossip. Usually she will reply : "but I don't DO anything to be offensive."
See, that's the whole point: SHE doesn't perceive a threat to her job nor fear of someone "misunderstanding" her comments. Why? The law, for all intents and purposes, doesn't apply to her. It has not penetrated her head and "gelled" there that she COULD be fired. And with women being masters of character assassination and gossip, which can be VERY harmful to men's careers, they are not put on their guard that such actions will come back to them in the form of being fired. While MEN DO realize that even a woman with a CLEAR axe to grind can intentionally "misunderstand" a comment.
It's pure sexist intimidation.
The argument I hear from "feminists" is that "women face this kind of discrimination all the time, we have to watch what we say or get labled a bitch."
My answer to that is 2 things:
1) Being a bitch won't get you fired and be a CAREER ender. The boss who DID fire you for being one could be sued and further sued, with the help of ALL SORTS of women's organizations, for "ruining her professional reputation."
2) When women say: "we have to watch what we say" I realize that is "female-speak". What I, IMHO, interpret that to mean is that they are bitchy so often, not all women, SOME women, that they have to mind their manners at work and this pisses them off.
And, lets be honest, most men WON'T, for various reasons, complain about women being sexist, gossiping (character assassination), and flirting that gets out of hand. And women know this.
It's a good law, misapplied, and is used as an intimidation tactic on lots of men.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 12:18 AM February 9th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Skippy, and LSBeene.
I completely agree with your points.
I just want to remind anyone who finds this funny, although you are free to feel this way, might I, once again, remind everybody that we men are being compaired to ANIMALS. and women are being incouraged to treat us like ANIMALS.
Take out "men" and insert "women" into this and see what would happen.
I have said this time and again, as an Indian I KNOW what harm can come from one's people being compared to animals. So can other minorities. Blacks and Jewish people can claim the same knowledge.
When a people are deemed SUB-HUMAN, any and all ill-treatment of those people WILL be, not just acceptable, but incouraged.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Steven,
Given my experiences of twenty years in higher education before recently transitioning into the manufacturing field, I can relate to your comments about "invisible" feminist coercion in the workplace.
The Ivory Jungle had become a Killing Field for many men's careers now that so many radical feminists have ensconced themselves and their sisters in positions of administrative power.
My worst experience happened when I championed a creative flex-time work schedule for one of my staff, a young woman who'd just had her first baby.
I jumped through endless H.R. hoops to grant her a six-month work-at-home schedule with all the necessary college-funded computer gear to do her job as a graphic designer.
When the six months were up, she decided she didn't want to come back to campus. My department's service load had grown to the point that we needed her to return. (And, she had not been particularly productive or accountable during the experimental flex-time period.)
To cut to the chase, this woman, who had enjoyed my support and managerial flexibility, went off on a character assassination campaign against me, using all of her personal allies in the Womynz Center, as well as her access to the black female college President -- who also happened to be a racist with a very visible bias against hiring and promoting white men.
After fighting about a year's worth of feminist delusional conspiracies against me, I realized it was a losing battle and left for a higher paying position elsewhere.
Because feminists have been so successful in capturing positions of influence in higher education, it has become a real career nightmare for a whole lot of capable and ambitious men.
The sisterhood's commitment to equality and fair treatment is on full display in academia, and it gives the lie to their proclaimed values.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 07:52 AM February 9th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Yes, it is funny but all to common. I still remember my brother and I playing as children, while my mom and her friends all sat together laughing about how there husbands/men are comparable to various farm animals. Dogs and pigs were the most common, sometimes roosters. I just saw a car commercial with a man acting like a dog on his knees sniffing a dog's ass.
These were all fundementalist christian women, I wonder if there saviour was nothing but a dog or pig needing a women there to tell him how to be civilized. I wonder what kind of an animal would sit on her ass at home without even kids to take care of while being ungrateful to the person who provides their livlihood.
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by Anonymous User on 01:32 PM February 9th, 2004 EST (#16)
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For some reason, this all reminds me of the "VOODOO JEANS" billboard in Australia.
Any one else remember that one?
It depicted a woman walking two naked men on leashes like DOGS!
I'll say it again; NO good at all can come from de-humanizing ANY group of people!
And my friends, take it from me, we're just seeing the BEGINING of what's yet to come.
Men regulated to reservations...? Hmmmmm...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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As the resident expert on dogs, as the only dog trainer on the board, I have to say her assessments on most were pretty on the ball with MAJOR exception to the dachshund
"Laid-back, Willing to communicate in a calm manner" Sorry, they are barky, snippy little things which are very dog aggressive.
While I think that men can be catagorized as breeds, so can women. They are personality types, which go for both.
Anyways, I hate the idea of the book. How about a book on women-
Women are like cats?
Siamese- Loud, demanding, long lived and a major blanket hog.
Persian- beautiful but high mantainance and dumb as a box of rocks.
Main coon- large, hairy and protective
Nabalung- pretty, quiet and eager to please
Devon Rex- unusual, quirky, skittish
Barn cat- devoted, sweet, and cheap
Hey, I should write this book. Of course I will have to publish it myself, but would you all buy a copy?
Of course, at the end I may just have to say Dogs Rule! ;-)
Th Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 01:35 PM February 9th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Jenk
My bet is you'd have a REAL HARD TIME finding someone willing to publish a book compareing women to any type of animal.
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yeah I know, but boy would it be fun to put a camera at the bookstore...all these women saying "OMG..what kind of male chauvenist pig would write this drivel!", then watching them furtively flip through to see what they were, and what their boyfriend's ex was.
I am so glad I do not consider myself one of 'them' now.
I would say to the troll lurking, my best friend has a mantra. You should try it.
"I am no better"
say it again
"I am no better"
Words to live by. Men are a blessedly necessary and wonderful part of this world. Quit your liberal wimmins studies courses and find something that will get you a real job.
The way you are acting no man in his right mind would touch you with a 10 foot pole, so you will have to support yourself. Didn't they tell you? The only thing a wimmin's studies degree is good for is a job at Wendys, and to cover up a whole in the wall of the crappy apartment you will have to live in.
Oh, wait, with the whole "girls rule" thing you must be in high school still. Sorry, if you get into college then...
Grrrr. The bitches are the most aggressive BTW
Feeling rather protective of my guys....
The Biscuit Queen
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Flying Crap about whether chicks like or dislike the chick or fox word, or whatever you want to call them. I've actually began to look forward to the looks of disgust, which is when I get to return it with equal intensity. To hell with chicks like that anyway.
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
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by Anonymous User on 03:40 PM February 9th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Yeah, I'm with ya.
Ever notice that we men can't call women "Gals" but thet can call us "Guys"? What's THAT about...?
Also if you refer to your wife or girl friend as "my woman" you get accused of being "possesive" and "demeaning", But I hear women constantly refering to husbands or boy friends as "My man". You see it on 'talk shows' constantly.
I repeat, what's THAT about...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hey Troll House Cookie,
You're kinda cute. You can't come up with some GOOD men joke?! C'mon, you're not trying hard enough! Shit, let ME try ... (lame ass "feminazi" troll!)
Q: Why is it better to have a dog humping your leg than a man "hittin' it from behind?"
A: Afterwards the dog will love you and stay, a man will roll over, make YOU sleep in the wet spot, ask you to get HIM a Coke, and "forget" to call you!
BOW WOW WOW YO YIPPY YIE YAY .. BOW WOW WOW
and the second part there Trolly Cupcake, the FUNNY part of your comments is that what you say is so true. Your gender is killing ours, but that's not the funny part. The FUNNY part is that when you talk to your friends you all pass along the common lie that you are "oppressed", "victims", and complain about the non-existent "the Patriarchy-conspiracy" (if there WERE such a group, don't you think that by NOW someone at "Feminazi Theory 101" would have a NAME ... just one fucking name!!!). When, like you said, feminazis are sticking men into economic slavery, into prison, and shitting all over boys in school and college, and then claiming to be discriminated AGAINST!? And you don't care. Wow, so much for how women handle power with less viciousness and more nurturing. Guess you can't use THAT theory anymore. But, you will. Because you don't have any valid complaints.
Damn Trollie, I did a better joke, educated you, and verbally slapped ya around.... all in 1 post.
WHO's THE ALPHA DOG!?! BOW WOW WOW .. !!!
LMAO - I'm really in a weird mood tonight.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 01:05 AM February 10th, 2004 EST (#27)
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Troll out the barrel we'll have a barrel of fun...
I've always wanted to say that on here!(^_^)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I think this site may need to visit a Proctrollogist.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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I think she is a Nova Scotia Duck Trolling Retriever!
The Biscuit Queen
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I WAS going to say that DAVE was a bit "off" and that he needed help. But now I see that you two deserve each other.
OY!
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Oh Steven, controll yourself!
**shaking head at own cleverness* ;-)
The Queen of all things Biscuity
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Sometimes I just have a hard time conTrolling myself. :)
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Oops.. Jen beat me to it! LOL, guess I should've trolled through the previous posts before writing my response.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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I am in the mood for some Tootsie Trolls-could you stop by and pick some up?
The Biscuit Queen
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OOh, we're on a tRoll ;-)
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LOL... That was BAD... now if you'd asked me to pick up some Coca-Trolla... that'd be different!
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Don't forget the Trollritos ;-)
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ooo... that's one's a stretch! Nestle Trollhouse Cookies anyone?
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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We could do Chinese-eggtrolls?
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by Anonymous User on 07:20 PM February 11th, 2004 EST (#53)
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Then after eating all that, we'd get indigestion and have to take Trollaids.
Hey, who did trolls vote for, for president?
Bob Troll.
What's a trolls favorite game show?
Trolling for dollars.
Who is a trolls favorite actress?
Angelina Trollie.
What does a troll score in foot ball?
A feild troll.
What does a troll hit in golf?
A troll in one.
What does a troll have to cross while driveing?
A troll-bridge.
What does a troll use under his/her arms?
Troll on deoderant.
What does a troll do to try and trick someone?
Pull the troll over your eyes.
Who is a trolls favorite actor?
Gary Troll-man.
What is a trolls favorite activity?
Troller bladeing.
Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!
The Biscuit Queen
&
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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folks ...
Here he is ... LIVE from the (whereever you live) .... IT's THUNDERCLOUD!!!
He won the troll joke contest ..
Let's all just admit it and give KUDOs
Steven
HOKA HEY!
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 12:13 AM February 12th, 2004 EST (#56)
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Thank you.
I would have done more but I was getting out of con-TROLL.
(ouch!)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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No doubt about that... something tells me TC has delt with trolls before! :)
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Tollin trollin trollin, get those doggies trolling...
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Gee Troll House Cookie (THC for short - mind altered by Feminazi Theory drugs)
Hey THC,
Wow, what a retort. What a witty reparte. Is that all ya got there fish bait? You dropped "shit" for me to pick up. LMAO .. and here it was I thought you hadn't had your weekly/monthy post PMS shower. Your insults make you look 12. Learn to verbally banter before you step into the ring. Just because you and your mentally pre-pubecent friends all find your humor hilarious, you're SO outclassed here cupcake.
Ya know what C.U.N.T. stands for?
Cant Understand Normal Thinking
You got something USEFUL to add to this discussion or you just here to be abused. So while your shaving that mustache off your face, shoo-ing the flies from your crusty nether regions, and sitting in "Feminazi Subject Changing and Disinformation Theory 101" why don't you get your shit together and try to give us a challenge.
Dogs:2 Bitches:0
BOW WOW WOW YIPPIE YIE YIPPY YAY.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 06:44 PM February 10th, 2004 EST (#38)
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Watch it, everybody, she may be getting ready to BITE, and then we might get TROLL RABIES, or something.
C'mon trollie, is THAT the best you can do? just make idiotic bigotted statements and then run away?
How TYPICAL.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:07 PM February 10th, 2004 EST (#39)
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What ever happened to LADYRIVKA?
She was GREAT at handeling Trolls...
I miss her.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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