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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @03:12PM EST (#1)
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How is that article misandrist, and this article:
http://www.etherzone.com/2004/moor012304.shtml
posted a couple of threads down is not?
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First of all, I think the second one is misandrist. However, at least the second article calls women on their half of the action.
The article here says that men(or guys as she puts it) have lost the courtship, and that they are not real men because of it. Unfortunately, the young woman fails to realize that courtship has been degrading at the same time as women's fashion, their difficulty to bed and the nuclear family. 50 years ago, women did not expose most of their bodies, did not hop into bed within an hour of meeting a young man, and her parents KNEW where she was. Courtshhip was needed to get to know the girl and her family before she was allowed any free time with the young man.
Today, women walk out the door in less clothing than they slept in, they have no problem sleeping around, and parents just don't give a shit where thier children are. And this is all the guy's fault?
Obviously the young woman is suffering from feminitis~It's all about me syndrome.
It is obvious she has not thought to look around her (and at herself) for the reason young men act differently today.
The Biscuit Queen
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Obviously the young woman is suffering from feminitis~It's all about me syndrome.
It is obvious she has not thought to look around her (and at herself) for the reason young men act differently today.
There is something which is even scarier to me going on...
"My friends and I go to clubs where guys come up to us and use lines...
Now, let me guess, they are going to clubs:
A) for the overpriced drinks,
B) to enjoy the deafening music which they have to scream over in order to have a conversation,
C) to enjoy having screamed conversations with each other, over the deafening music, or
D) for the purpose of seeing and being seen, and getting men to approach them and ask them for dates.
I don't know which nauseates me more, this girls stupidity, or her hypocrisy. Either way, someone needs to clue her in that if she wants to meet men who treat her like they met in church, that she isn't going to meet them in clubs.
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The 'cowards and idiots' article was a piece of self-righteous drivel aimed at shaming and blaming both men and women. I suppose you could call it both misandrist and misogynist, but it's simpler to use 'misantrhopic.'
The article in this thread is a piece of self-righteous drivel aimed at shaming and blaming men alone. Thus, plainly misandrist.
Any questions?
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @06:16PM EST (#6)
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Larry,
No, No questions.
You got it EXACTLY right!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Here is what I wrote: (plz give opinions)
I am writing to respond to your article: Chivalry is dead, buried,
I guess my letter should be addressed to Kira Hild, and if anyone would forward this to her it would be greatly appreciated.
Kira,
I would agree with you that chivalry is, for the most part, dead. But your article doesn't seem to address the why as much as lamenting the fact. Before I start I should give you the premise that I am a happily married man. I have never been divorced. My marriage has been going on for 6 1/2 years. We have had our struggles and our doubts, but for the most part we have a rather uneventful life based on trust, the promise to stick with it, and some pretty good romance.
I am in the military Kira. I meet young men from all 50 states, some U.S. protectorates, young men from different countries, and of all ethnic and religious backgrounds. I see some disturbing trends for our young people, both male and female. But your article only touches on how YOU want to be treated and not WHY the young men do not do so. That in and of itself is telling as to why it's happening. Don't get me wrong, this is not going to be a blame the girls letter, though some blame goes there. But you need to address the underlying issues as to why young men today are often ignorant of etiquette, lacking in chivalry, and unwilling to make romantic overtures or how to do so.
First, the lack of etiquette, dating or otherwise, is completely absent in the majority of young people, male or female. If you think I grew up going to prep schools, graduating magna cum laude from Harvard, and serving at the Dept. of State, you would be wrong. But I did learn etiquette. Most young people I meet have no clue what that word is, how to spell it, and are more interested in who can make the most sneering comment they heard on television to appear to be cool. That's both genders Kira. So looking only at boys is pretty self-serving at best. Also, parents today aren't that sure of proper dating etiquette themselves. And have not learned how to pass along these messages. It takes hours of give and take conversations and life examples to show social flair, gentile panache under pressure, how to react with grace in difficult situations, and the romantic overtures we call dating. Most parents don't have that time and the kids are not interested. And many come from single family homes where the parent is exhausted after working all day. The destruction of the two parent home is a large part of the problem in how our kids our turning out. You may disagree with me, but you should read up on the stats of kids who grow up with and without both parents (at least involved) that have higher rates of many problems. So, in a nutshell, the kids, male and female, aren't learning these must-have skills.
The lack of chivalry is probably matched by the lack of ladylike graces that women used to have. If you haven't notice this in your friends (and possibly yourself), then it would be shortsightedly convenient of you to then notice how young men lack the social skills in the dating arena. Young men are often not raised with a good male influence around them. I was, but in my circle of friends it was not the norm. And society today seems to show very few good positive male role models on social skills. Young girls are not doing much better. The boys don't know how to approach you Kira? Isn't the age of egalitarianism? This is the age of equality, is it not? I think it might be time to stop sitting and waiting for the boys to grow up and get off that stool and show how YOU are grown up. This equality that your mothers pushed for Kira, it's an all time thing, not when it's convenient. If you feel that you want there to be differences when you're dating, that's a pretty convenient attitude. Equality only when it suits you? And you believe a male suitor must read your mind to find your wants (which may have different flavors from what your friend wants - for which he must read her mind too) and then to take the chance to be shot down by you? And, what of your skills as a lady Kira? Are they refined with out snobbery, flexible in taking into account the social skills of others while mindful of their intent, charming without smugness, full of depth but relatable to any man in the room, and graceful when another attempts, even if they fail? I can read back your own article to give you the answers, and I am not trying to be insensitive, but you should be a bit kinder to those you wish to romance or spend time with. Both girls and boys need to learn about dating. But, and I say this as gently as I can, if you can only see why boys are falling short, then one must wonder why the gentlemen, and there always are some, are not stopping at your table to ask for your time. When I was young I was rough around the edges, so if you think I am trying to act as though I hit the ground perfect and got better you would be very wrong. I had to look at myself and do an assessment of who I was, what I had to offer, how I needed to grow, and how others saw me. No one is teaching kids today that. Today they get "self-esteem" lessons instead of doing things that in turn will gain them self-esteem, and thereby build character. And it's not just boys Kira.
Kira, there is a lot wrong with the dating scene today. As a man in his mid-thirties, with a happy marriage, and a steady good job I feel fairly qualified to give advice, but to remain humble that I have more in life to learn. I meet young men and women, fresh from mom and/or dad every day. I could tell you more as to why the dating scene is so mercenary and harsh, but that would require more than just this letter. I hope what I have written to you is received well and is of some use.
With regards
L. Steven Beene II
Nome, Alaska
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @06:29PM EST (#7)
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Beene.
Good job.
I wouldn't change a word.
However, I hope that Kira is mature enough to exept, what I consider, constructive critisism.
Too many people both male and female, seem to think that if they aren't getting what they want out of life or they are not sufficiently loved that it can NOT be through any fault of their own. That it MUST be someone elses fault, PIRIOD. so there is, in their mind no point in looking to themselves for an ansewer to their delima.
When I was very young I used to blame girls for the fact that none of them ever wanted to date me.
But one day I looked in the mirror and realized, that, well, I'm UGLY!
problem solved.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @06:38PM EST (#9)
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"The lack of chivalry is probably matched by the lack of ladylike graces that women used to have."
Very true. No woman to-day believes they should observe any of the duties or constraints of a "lady". It is ludicrous for any woman to expect to be treated like a "lady".
It is the classic feminist ploy of playing the "fragile flower" when it suits , and rejecting the "fragile flower" role when it suits them.
How do you expect a young man to treat a woman "like a lady" if, for example, she has just spent 3 weeks doing bayonet training in army camp?
Anyone who advocated that women should act like ladies was labelled a male chauvinist pig. Anyone who advocates women should be treated like ladies is no different.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @01:55PM EST (#34)
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No woman to-day believes they should observe any of the duties or constraints of a "lady". It is ludicrous for any woman to expect to be treated like a "lady".
Of course, this is just plain untrue. It may not be common, but there certainly are still some ladies around. No need for the all-or-nothing rhetoric.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @04:00PM EST (#35)
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" but there certainly are still some ladies around" By "lady", I mean a woman who is committed to the duties and obligations of the traditional pre-feminist woman. By "lady" I do not mean women who put on the "fragile flower" act when it suits them. By the latter definition, all women are ladies some of the time. The fragile flower act is very useful in certain situations,such as making false allegations.
A true gentleman observes the duties of the traditional male such as being willing to lay down his life on behalf of a woman. A true lady observes the duties of the traditional female such as being willing to lay down her life on behalf of her husbands unborn child. Do you really know ANY woman who believes a woman should be willing to do this? If you do know for a fact that such women exist, then I stand corrected. However I believe the percentage of women who believe this is statistically insignificant.
Whether there are "certainly still some ladies around" is debatable. What is not debatable is that there are plenty of gullible men around who cant see the fragile flower act for what it is, namely mere female manipulation and cunning. It is not true lady like behaviour.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @07:25PM EST (#11)
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As I have said, the letters should be sent to opinions@universitydaily.net .
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The article says that men (or guys as she puts it) have lost the ability for courtship, and that they are not real men because of it. Unfortunately, the young woman fails to realize that courtship has been degrading at the same time as women's fashion, their difficulty to bed and the nuclear family. Fifty years ago, women did not expose most of their bodies, did not hop into bed within an hour of meeting a young man, and her parents KNEW where she was. Courtship was needed to get to know the girl and her family before she was allowed any free time with the young man.
Today, women walk out the door in less clothing than they slept in, they have no problem sleeping around, and parents just don't give a damn where their children are. And this is all the guy's fault? Men do what they have to, no more no less. If men are not doing much, it is because it doesn't take much.
Fifty years ago a young man went out of his way to please and impress a young lady, and in return was given respect and treated with grace. Today women treat men like doormats, swearing at and slapping them, falsely accusing them of rape, taking them to court over children who are not theirs. Women not only have lost their grace, but have changed the law to match. Not only is it not worth it to young men to behave chivalrously, it is dangerous. What one girl calls courting another calls stalking.
Obviously the young woman is suffering from feminitis~It's all about me syndrome.
It is obvious she has not thought to look around her (and at herself) for the reason young men act differently today. Perhaps society as a whole, not just half of it, is at fault here.
Yours, Jen Kuhn
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @09:05PM EST (#17)
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On the "not real men" ploy, my answer is that the the post-feminist woman isn't a "real woman" either.
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Jen, only a woman could say that to her. I bet you dollars to donuts that if you get a reply she will accuse you of being a man. See what happens when you hang with us?
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @06:31PM EST (#8)
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What she described in the beginning of the article are things that will get a man in trouble for stalking and/or sexual harrasment today. It's next to impossible for a man to know when seemingly harmless overtures will be taken the wrong way and lead to litigation or prosecution. Stop changing the rules and we'll stop changing to keep up with them.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @06:59PM EST (#10)
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EXACTLY! Anon.
That is precisly why I do not (directly) even deal with women anymore, why I don't date anymore and why I will never marry and now live a life of celibasy!
I'm NOT kidding.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Thundercloud. . .you are not the only one. . .I'm not kidding either. Been hearing more and more men just saying NO!
What a rollercoaster ride these last few decades have been for men. Pretty sick of it myself. Read an article a while back, 40% of men in Austrialia won't even socialize with women period. . .zero socializing, yet alone relationships. Thats almost half the men won't so much as acknowlege them. . .wonder if its true?
I think a problem that most people have overlooked over the past couple of decades, goes something like this.
The wounds cut deep. . .very deep to the millions of decent men. For decades decent men have been wrongly imprisoned, accused, denied rights, executed, demonized, ridiculed, dehumanized, trivialized, exiled from home/family and employement (list goes on and on).
For those young men whose family managed to stay together. . .dads teach/warn there sons. . .stay away.
For those young men whose families didn't. . .dads try to teach/warn there sons. . .stay away(provided they were allowed visits). These young men had/have the privliage to see what really happens to dads after divorce.
note: could be some moms taught there sons too!
For those without dads. . .could be they are in bar looking for Kira! For those who are not, they are pray.
I quess the point to all this is that more and more decent men are inverting. . .they are intrested no more. For whatever the reason, and there are many. . .too many.
So whats left after the decent men aren't there?
YOU GOT IT KIRA
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Be careful what you ask for. . .you may just get it!
Games without frontier. . .war without tears
As the sleeping giant awakes!
Steveb
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My heart goes out to poor Kira, who can't find a "decent" young man with whom to play out her juvenile Harlequin Romance fantasies.
But it's a little beyond naive to think that bourgeois romance can survive, or that "decent" intelligent men would even want to risk falling into that trap, given today's toxic-to-men legal environment.
Let's see - marital rape laws, the 24 x 7 DV Gestapo, misandrist Family & Divorce Courts, biased sexual assault policies, and a pervasively anti-male cultural climate -
Gosh, what right-thinking bloke wouldn't want to step right up for a crack at marital bliss in this carnival of horrors scenario?
The feminists have "succeeded" in engineering the terms and conditions for this gendar war, and men are not so "simple" (Thanks, Dr. Laura!) as to have not noticed.
Every interaction with a female is now an invitation to lose one's liberty.
No wonder millions of "decent" men have concluded - "Homey don't play that!"
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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I completely agree. I didn't want to get too far into criticism of women's duplicitous subjective attitudes in the letter I sent. I had someone on the MS boards try to get my home phone number after not liking my posts and I told her to knock off the "stalking behavior". I was derided as my "male privledge" would not allow me to be stalked in such a manner. However I can just imagine the quick banning and "See, that's what men do" comments had this been me. Men who women LIKE who throw romantice overtures at a woman are seen as romantic, but I can also tell you from experience how few truly appreciate it. Most see the guy as one of their "choices" and no longer someone to be pursued. If a woman does NOT like the guy who does this he gets labeled as a stalker. When I was on the MS boards I was told (approximately): "stalking is when someone shows up to your door with a knife". Funny how many men who pursue a woman who does not want them end up with restraining orders. So this "where are the flowers, song, wine, romance, and endless showing of love" is a minefield men face and even those young ones aint blind
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @11:53AM EST (#29)
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This all reminds me of a story, my elders told me.
One day a Cherokee hunter was walking in the woods looking for game, when he spotted another man sitting in front of a large fire.
As the hunter watched, the other man stuck his hand into the fire and then cried out in pain.
The man did this several times, each time crying in pain.
Finaly the hunter approached this strange man, and asked; "If it hurts so much to stick your hand in fire, why in the world do you keep doing it?!?"
The strange man looked up at the hunter and repiled; "I am going to KEEP sticking my hand into this fire untill it learns to stop burning me...!"
The hunter stared at the strange man, and was about to say something, but figured it would be pointless. He simply shrugged and walked away leaveing the other man to stick his hand in the fire and cry out in pain.
THE END
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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For starters, young women in the past didn't hang out in bars and clubs drinking .... and didn't go places with men unchaperoned.
Secondly, Kira and her kind are just young and stupid. If they were smarter, they'd know where to find men who don't use stupid "pick up lines".
Likewise if the young men weren't equally young and stupid, they'd know how badly they embarrass themselves using such lines. Sometimes ignorance is your best friend.
Kira (and her contemporaries') world is mighty small. Kira needs to get out more ... and not to Lubbock bars.
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She is not an idiot, she is a product of her generation. Feminists have created this social order and this is the result. If you think she is such an idiot, you only have yourslef to thank.
The Biscuit Queen
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Ok, who hacked Lorianne's computer? Who found and used her password? I LOOK FORWARD to locking horns with MS L and someone had to go and SCREW IT UP for me. My does of debate stolen. My pundant and opponent of the day is a paucity of verbiage. My loquacious Lorianne is lamentably not lively. Oh woe, oh woe. Wherefore shall I sink my verbal teeth, but finding not meat nor bone, only feel boned. Woe, woe.
(no really, the Army DOES test me for drugs!)
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 02, @09:40PM EST (#19)
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Few people except professionals (lawyers, prosecutors, shelter-workers) are 100% masculist or 100% feminist.
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This article was posted as an example of a cultural trend... women "stereotyping modern men and blaming them for lack of chivalry."
As our ever-so-sharp Biscuit Queen has pointed out, the ever-so-tricky Lorianne has presented an alternate interpretation. This girl was not able to get this published in her college paper because current social forces made it a popular, accepted view. No, not at all.
She is simply stupid and provincial, as is the entire Lubbock community. (According to Lorianne.)
Which interpretation do you want to agree with?
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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Hey Larry,
first off you would have to read my reply to Kira. But when I hear someone, it happened to be Lorianne, say that this woman was hanging out with the wrong crowd and made her own disappointments I agreed. Better explanation?
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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I think we are both right. I think that A~Kira is not the brightest bulb on the tree. And B~That people only get published in these papers what is acceptable for people to hear. I was disputing Lorainne for exactly the reason Larry pointed out. This one girls intelligence is not the problem, only the symptom.
The Biscuit Queen
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Steven,
You tell us you've decided to make Lorianne a project. I was trying to clue you in to some of her tactics. I did read your reply to Kira. A reasoned, gentle response addressing the underlying issues for the situation she finds herself in.
Then along comes Ms. L with "What an idiot!" (referring to Kira)
You reply with "Holy Crap! I agree with Lorianne!"
So much for reason, gentleness and underlying issues.
Better explanation?
You took the bait.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @08:57PM EST (#42)
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Yeah, I agree with larry. I think the only reason Lorainne said that about the girl is because she would also say further down that the men were "stupid". Therefore she is saying both men and women are at fault "equally".
I do not think she would have called her an idiot if she was not also going to call men stupid. But if this thread were about a particular female privilege or something hatefull that feminists have done against men
she would be saying and using the same apolegetics and tactics she usually uses. And she would drop any sense of "Equality" that she just tried to make us believe she cares about. The "equality" she cares about is if, when used, it detracts from something stupid a woman/feminist/feminism has done and puts men also at fault.
In my opinion saying that on this thread is a tactic to put your guard down for her in the future, while she will be using the same tactics she has always used, against You.
{this is all my paranoid opinion}
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @08:59PM EST (#43)
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"{this is all my paranoid opinion}"
that would be me,
P. George
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. . .as she's basically just a one-trick pony.
"*That's* not the issue; *this* is the issue,"
is her only real tactic, and she uses it constantly -- as she does here -- to distract people's attention from the femelitist and misandrist issues involved.
Always read her posts with an eye for this distraction. It's her stock in trade. Just call her on it and move on.
And if you even find yourself 'agreeing' with her, stop, step back, and start looking harder. Because the odds are you've made a mistake in your reasoning, somewhere.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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"*That's* not the issue; *this* is the issue,"
is her only real tactic, and she uses it constantly -- as she does here -- to distract people's attention from the femelitist and misandrist issues involved.
Well said. She has another tactic of disagreeing by pretending to be open-minded but "unconvinced." Then remaining "unconvinced" no matter what anyone says. However, she hasn't used that one in quite a while.
You're right. Both are boring after you've seen them a couple of times.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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can't....stop...hands....from clapping i have to say that i agree with lorianne. damn, whats happening to me...
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And both mean the same thing. What is it with women? If those guys had said those same lines in French the girls would be creaming. Good Grief. Women can be so shallow. I am getting embarrassed for my sex. TBQ
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @09:04PM EST (#44)
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"creaming"
did you actually mean to say creaming : ).
p. george
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Um...yeah
was that too direct? ;-)
TBQ
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It's cool. You're a married woman who don't take shit from men or women. If you use the word "cream" ... pffft, aint gonna phase me Jen.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on Thursday February 05, @12:45AM EST (#51)
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well, I thought it was funny. I was pretty sure what she meant, but I just needed to make sure that what I thought was funny, was supposed to be funny!
g. george
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A brief history of chivalry...
1. Ancient times... men developed a code of conduct for everything from battle to handling manservants to wooing women. This became known as chivalry. During this time, men learned to value themselves and other men based on how much women seemed to approve of them, most directly indicated by how willing they were to have sex with them. The rules for wooing women, just like most other things, were designed to be as pleasing to women as possible, since their authors were each competing with each other to be the most female approved. Thus, things like sleeping around were not considered chivalrous since women at large would not want it considered to be so, even though on an individual level it showed a man to be highly favored by women. Also of note is that in these times the lifespan was considerably less, and most of what was considered to be love was the first crush a young teenager had after entering puberty. This more immature love, based largely on idolization and lust, is reflected in the way the code of chivalry assumed the woman was perfect, and no part of the code covered finding a good woman or anything of that nature.
2. Less ancient times... Most of this code fell by the wayside as times had changed and such things as jousting were rather uncommon. What was leftover were the rules for wooing women, which thanks to the competition to be the most favored by women among chivalries many authors, had become ever more slavish and even incorporated codes for how slaves were to treat their masters, such as taking their coat for them, removing their hat when the master entered the room, pulling out the master's chair, etc. Women of course never had to do anything to "earn" men's love so the codes of behavior they adopted were aimed at getting as much from men in exchange for sex and/or love as possible. Eventually, the female icon became Marylin Monroe, who simply by being pretty could get thousands of men to do whatever she wanted them to without her having to lift a finger. The male icon had been and remained Jesus Christ, who had to let the populace kill him in a very torturous and painful manner in order to save that very populace and thus prove he was worthy of love too, (although not nearly as much as Marylin Monroe).
3. Even less ancient times - The birth control pill came along and caused a sexual revolution. Women no longer needed to fear pregnancy as much, and a new sexual openess came about. Young girls didn't make their boyfriends jump through so many hoops to pay for sex, especially knowing they might be sent off to war before they have a chance to overcome all the unnecessary ego-centered barriers she might have created.
4. A long time ago, but not *that* long ago - 70s feminism came along and women at large began stating they wanted to be viewed as equals. Very radical changes happened at that time in the cultural perceptions of men and women. Some women who were deathly phobic of male sexuality started teaching women as a whole to regard any sexually forward actions, whether intended or not, whether harmful or entirely benign, as harassment. Unfortunately, women mostly listened to them, and they were taught to view sexual assertiveness in men as indications of chauvanism, stupidity, that the man looks down on them, and a creation of a hostile environment, something they became convinced they should never have to experience. Grouped under the male sexual assertiveness feminists taught women to react so negetively towards were pickup lines, being very touching, and chivalrous gestures which were often used to try and meet women. Word quickly spread about some of the ridiculous things men were being locked up for, and women generally acted very offended whenever men behaved chivalrously, so by and large they stopped.
5. The 80s - Child support laws become enacted. The divorce rate skyrockets as women realize they can keep their man's house, full custody of the kids, primary parental authority of the kids, the car, and keep getting a paycheck from their husband plus meet the cool new image promoted by all the TV talk show hostesses, the "independant woman". What is the "independant woman"? A woman who is still dependant on income from her ex-husband, affirmative action quotas perhaps, other government advantages, (which she's been taught to rationalize away as making up for the sexist advantages evil men must be giving themselves somehow), but is now unmarried. This woman was usually portrayed at the time as having a glamorous job and a great life, very chic. So women started throwing their husbands out of their and their children's lives in droves.
6. The 90s - Having witnessed all the men losing everything in divorces, being fired for offhand comments, and women getting advantages in many various aspects while their own supposed sexist advantages were nowhere to be found, men became much more cautious in their dealings with women, and young men became much less likely to marry. Acts of chivalry became less and less common as men began to question why they should risk jailtime in order to treat someone who was supposedly their equal in a way which was so servile.
7. The new millenium - Elitist girls claim that "guys" who fail to meet their obligation to dedicate sonnets to them don't deserve to be called men, while also condemning them for still using pickup lines to meet women, yet somehow fails to manage to suggest any other method by which a man might strike up a conversation with a new woman, (since unless you meet at work the truth is the only ways to meet new women are to use pickup lines, or use pickup lines without them realizing it). Men are finally waking up and saying enough, and the men's movement grows exponentially, yay!
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @12:07AM EST (#22)
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"The male icon had been and remained Jesus Christ, who had to let the populace kill him in a very torturous and painful manner in order to save that very populace and thus prove he was worthy of love too,"
I was reading this quasi-fictional autobiography and the female author basically said the crucifixtion was done to a male because it wouldn't have been so exceptional if it had happened to a woman. Meaning womens persecution is so common place, or something like that.
P. George
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Excellent brief chronology of feminism's successes!
It's telling that while women today are beginning to understand that feminism has re-made the once feminine into something repulsive and toxic to men, that women continue to blame MEN for this tragic outcome.
"The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflection, but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell LIES."
(Arthur Schopenhauer: "On Women")
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @12:55PM EST (#32)
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Hombre.
Exellent.
That post says it ALL!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I agree with Kira Hild that people are more promiscuous today than they were in the past, although I'd like to point out that females are as "guilty" as males are in this respect.
However, I take exception to Hild's views on "chivalry", a sexist practice that places males into a role of subservience. Just look at Hild's opening paragraph: "Love poems, serenades and other gifts were all acts of love men would shower upon the women to win them over."
It seems Hild is one of those people who thinks it is the role of the male, and the male alone, to buy the female gifts, sing her love songs, pay for her dinner, and even lie down in the street, face down, so she won't get her shoes muddy, all to prove his love for her.
It is this one-sidedness that makes chivalry sexist. Do you want to know a secret? Men and boys also like to feel appreciated, loved, cherished, and special. Has Hild ever tried to woo someone, or has she merely sat back and waited for him to do all of the courting?
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I got a better question for Hild.
Why the hell should I put forth an ounce of effort when I can walk into just about any place in this little city I live in, and walk out with the flavor of the day?
I don't even have to put that much effort into that. Women are sexually aggressive nowadays, Hildy, in case you haven't been paying attention. Dress well, be well groomed, and cultivate something of a mystique, and you do well.
Your sisters are what is making it impossible for you to find a date. These would be the same ones you probably defend for their "lifestyle choice" and whine about how "It's okay for men to be sluts, so it's okay for women to be sluts too." How typically feminist. Blame the man for the female hookup culture.
Well, there ya go. Brave new world, eh? Oh, but baby, with your sexual freedom, birth control, easy abortion and so on, you sure have come a long way.
That's allright, though. Men are the real enemies - your womyn's studeies professorette said so. Pay no attention to the bitch behind the curtain.
Here's your question, Hildy - why should men respect feminine virtue when women themselves hold it in contempt?
Things to make ya go "Hmmmmmmmm...."
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @08:25PM EST (#40)
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Gonzo,
You're right ON, as usual!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I don't blame this girl a bit for stating her concerns as clearly as she is able. God bless her for trying, and if it turns the heads of a few of her college-age contemporaries, so much the better.
But I really have to agree with the poster who said that this girl really needs to think long and hard (ahem ; ) about where she goes and what she does for fun. I feel for her, because for kids today who accept the MTV college-age 'fun' that the media feeds them (Spring Break this and that) are going to run into exactly what she's describing.
I say kudos to her for even knowing of the existence of something like chivalry or etiquette. She either has some intelligent parents, friends or has done some research on her own, because it sure as hell isn't being served on TV or in class.
As others have said, of course, she needs to do her part. She also might want to have a talk with her mom or her teachers, who are now seeing their children reap the bitter fruits of 'equality' that their protest-era efforts have sown.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @07:46PM EST (#39)
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It is misandric because she expects equality in her life but for men to be subservient to her in her private life.
Not happening.
If she wants equality she will have to go out and start approaching men.
Romance is dead. Chivalry is just a social construct designed to enslave men to womens whims and desires.
I am not chivalrous, not romantic. I no longer care in the least. I will never put myself out for a woman to, in return, let her turn me away and carve one more notch on the "I killed a guy" ego stick to brag about to her friends.
I have much more to do in my life.
I have no patience at all with such petty "me me me" bulls**t.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 03, @08:28PM EST (#41)
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I'm with you, anon.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Amen, bro.
Yeah babe, excuse us for not rising to your girlish expectations. Excuse us for not buying you a drink, and dinner, and shoes, and a house, and a ring. You might be sitting in that bar a while.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 04, @12:16AM EST (#46)
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Tis a shame that this girl does not understand how the world of male/female relationships has changed over the last 30 years, thanks mainly to the feminazis! The cause of this problem is with this girl and her mother, and her contempories, not with men who have grown up in this strange (women center) environment created by the feminazis.
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