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I thought the Men's league already existed... isn't that the Republican Party?
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. . .helps men and men's issues -- how, exactly?
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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"I thought the Men's league already existed... isn't that the Republican Party?"
Not really. Unfortunately, many Republicans are insensitive to and dismissive of men's and fathers' concerns.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @12:46AM EST (#4)
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I'm a registered Republican, but recently Bush and Ashcroft pushed a big d.v. agenda touting only women as victims.
Where is a 3rd party candidate who will stand up for men's rights?
I heard Ralph Nader may run again, but I doubt he is interested in our vote either.
We should all send off for absentee ballots, then publically shred them.
I'd take a day off and say any man who feels your vote doesn't count come to the Gov't Center by my house and shred your absentee ballot. I'd put the shredder in the back of my truck and power it through a converter off my car battery if all this was legal.
As apathetical as men are in CA I suspect no one would show up.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @12:58AM EST (#5)
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or I'll just take my disenfranchised male butt to Republican H.Q. on election day, along with a list of men's grienvances, then rip it up in their presence, hand it to them with the letter and say, "This is why you lost my vote this year.
It's a presidential election this year, and shouldn't be to hard to find a party H.Q. Is it legal to rip up your own absentee ballot?
I will be dressed to the 9's when I do this. More impressive, they'll think I have money.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @01:25AM EST (#6)
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...better yet. I'll send off for an absentee ballot, fill it out, then rip it in two. I will then put it in an envelope with my list of reasons why the Republican party failed to deserve my vote and mail it to President Bush. I feel far less disenfranchised knowing that they know they lost my vote rather than me knowing that I cast my vote for a candidate or a party that just doesn't care about men's rights. They sure don't have a problem supporting the feminist agenda to the exclusion of men.
I feel so much better letting them know that I know my vote doesn't count in regards to men's rights. I really, really do have a peace about this. The only question I have is, "Is it illegal to destroy your own ballot?"
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @03:34AM EST (#7)
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The thing is there are women voting than men is why they have this anti-male attitude.
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by Anonymous User on Monday December 29, @09:29AM EST (#19)
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Please consider this everyone. Those who fail to vote OR refuse to vote are, in actuality, voting for whoever won. At the very least, we must vote for a recognised candidate, even if it is the lesser of 2 evils in our eyes.
My personal attitude to all this is "Give another crook a chance at my billfold and freedoms"
Hopefully, the message will eventually get across the potomic and into that version od Disneyland that "If you don't do right for the country as a whole - you will be out of a job.
Currently, the Bush crowd rules because of the apathetic NONvoter.
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Unfortunately, Ralph Nader's Green Party has Feminism as one of it's tenets. I found this out at a "People's Fair" in Denver back in June, where they had many booths for people promoting different agendas.
Pity, because another main tenet of the Green Party, environmental protection, seems to be a worthy cause.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @03:52PM EST (#16)
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"Ralph Nader's Green Party has Feminism as one of it's tenets."
Wow, that's outrageous. He should be confronted about this.
Ray
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First: I personally DO VOTE in every election.
Second: Men's votes don't really count because they are not directed at men's issues. They are usually directed at vague non gender specific issues like a tax break or an education bill. Never at the huge hidden problem of domestic violence against men, equatable child support reform or protection from misandric rape shield laws to name just a few issues that go begging to be addressed.
Men have to start at the socalled "grassroots" level. They have to put these local judges on the hot seat about men's rights issues. It is perfectly alright to ask a judge up for election or reelection about his or her views on domestic family law issues and how they affect men.
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This is why the diverse coalition of men's group, both in the USA and overseas, need to define a list of men's issues and goals. Perhaps some equivalent of Emily's list for men.
What specifically are the issues and what specifically are the goals? An ill defined agenda just won't do. For example:
Issue: Divorce and Custody
Goal: Legislation for rebuttable presumption of joint custody. (There will be more goals in this area, of course, but this is a sample).
Issue: Paternity Fraud
Goal: Legislation to protect men from paternity fraud. (Again, the particulars of this need to be threshed out, e.g. DNA testing, but this is a start).
Issue: Reproductive Rights
Goals: Male contraception, Choice for Men
Issue: Men's Health and Safety
Goals: Office of Men's Health, men's health units at hospitals.
Once the issues and goals are more clearly defined, they may be presented to politicians in the Republican and Democratic parties. Their response, or lack thereof, will determine the support of the men's voting bloc. The key, however, is to cleary define the issues and goals that we have.
Steve
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @03:56PM EST (#17)
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Issue: Domestic Violence
Goals: Removal of the feminist agenda as a driving force in this industry. Recognition of men as victims of domestic violence. Recognition of females as batterers. Recognition of battered man syndrome. Shelter for men.
Sincerely, Ray
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Rock the boat.
Rather than trust the Republicrats to do the same job they have done for the past 75 or so years, namely, say whatever it takes to get into office then do as they please and cater to special interests, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM.
My vote goes as follows:
1) Libertarian
2) Third Parties, other
3) Against the incumbent
4) Write in
5) No vote
6) Republican, if the democratic candidate is really odious.
THROW, gents, T.H.R.O.W. (T)hrow the (H)ypocritical (R)ascals (O)ut of (W)ashington.
Or don't be amazed when voting for the same old shit gets you the same old shit. The first sign of insanity is doing the same goddamn thing over and over and expecting it to produce a different result.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @11:53AM EST (#10)
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1) Libertarian
Who is the Libertarian candidate?
2} Here is a list of candidates I'd write in
Rep David Bickford
Warren Farrell
Glenn Sacks
Christina Hoff Sommers
Marc Angelucci
Deborah Watkins
These are mainly people out West, that I have come to know, who I would not hesitate to vote for. I'm sure I've forgotten some, and I know there are many, many excellent people back East who I remember only by 1st name: Scott, Tom, Thomas, etc.
Mensactivism should have a mock primary election of "men's rights/equal justice" candidates to see if we could all get behind a men's rights candidate for President. It would be interesting to see how many write ins he would get. So far the record for a men's rights candidate in an election is about 560 votes.
It will be interesting to see if we can all get together behind one candidate, or whether we will continue to be viewed as a divided bunch of male rable who can't agree and organize enough to have any effect.
What say yea all, Yea or Nay?
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday December 28, @12:02PM EST (#11)
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For every 100 males who vote in national elections…115 females vote!
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 59,284,000 women compared to 51,542,000 men, reported voting in the 2000 presidential election.
That’s almost 8 million fewer male votes!
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Considering the earlier age that men die at as well as the higher rates of death in many categories this may not be an accurate indication that men are not voting, merely that they are dead. What are the current census figures by sex of citizens of registered voter age?
Ray
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The Census Bureau has a detailed list of voting participation by sex and age:
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/voting/p2 0-542/tab01.pdf
Voter participation by age and sex (selected):
Females 18+: 56.2%
Males 18+: 53.1%
Females 18 - 24: 34.6%
Males 18 - 24: 30%
Females 25 - 34: 46.7%
Males 25 - 34: 40.4%
Females 35 - 44: 56.9%
Males 35 - 44: 52.9%
Two things are evident from this chart:
1. Voter participation increases dramatically with age.
2. A greater proportion of females than males vote in each age group.
So, perhaps part of the voting gap can be explained by large numbers of older women voting in elections. However, part of it is also the lower participation rates of males at all ages.
Steve
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There IS a men's rights presidential candidate for 2004. If even activists like us won't vote for the men's issues guy of course men's issues aren't going to be taken seriously.
http://www.billforpresident.org/
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Unfortunately, I believe that Warren Farrell's candidacy for governor of CA made the point that men's issues is an idea whose time has not yet come for political candidates. The porn star got 20 times the number of votes he did.
I also view voting for a candidate who cannot possibly win as a waste of a good vote unless it is just being used to make a political statement.
Given the fact that neither political party at the present gives a rip about men's interests (despite all the rhetoric about "saving marriage") it doesn't make much difference to me which party is in power. I think that one way in which men could re-establish some political clout would be to simply always vote against the incumbent. This will make it impossible to build up the kind of favor-trading which currently controls politics.
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