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A strong stand against the DV industry
posted by Hombre on Monday December 01, @08:20PM
from the honest-reporting dept.
Domestic Violence CJ writes "Cathy Young has done it again. She has outlined in a prominent Boston Globe article how the domestic violence Industry is based on the false premise that violence happens as a result of “patriarchal norms” and not because of personal psychological reasons, and that the current "lock 'em up" dogma that plagues average non-violent men in our society is tragically flawed. Linda G. Mills (of New York University, a professor of law and social work and author of the new book) book "From Insult to Injury: Rethinking Our Responses to Intimate Abuse" addresses the flawed dogma of the DV industry. The current ideology that views all men as wolves and all women as lambs is too deeply entrenched in society needs to be heard by politicians, judges, prosecutors and many others. It took the "mainstream" feminists about 30 years to establish their monopoly on the public debate about domestic violence. Mills' book may be the first step in dismantling that monopoly. Lets show our support for the book and to the Boston Globe for publishing this brave article. Lets get behind this one!"

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Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Roy on Monday December 01, @08:56PM EST (#1)
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Cathy Young's piece gives cautious hope that the tide may be turning in the public perception of domestic violence.

It has long been known that the feminist's malicious cover-up of the truth about family conflict is an ideologically motivated fraud designed to demonize men.

It has also long been known that the prevailing "Duluth Model" of batterer's treatment is a pathological, ineffective, and abusive "shame-and-blame" anti-male abomination.

While I'm heartened to see more evidence of balance and reason in the public discourse about DV, I have no illusions about the resistance to reform that will be mustered by the feminist regime that currently controls the lucrative Domestic Violence Industry.

They will not yield their power and profits without a fight, and their resources (our tax-dollars) are formidable.

Get ready for combat that will be a marathon... not a sprint!


"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Doctor Damage (scottg [fivefoursixseven] at yahoo dot com dot au) on Monday December 01, @10:22PM EST (#2)
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I find it fascinating, if not particularly surprising, that as the evidence for the existence of female batterers accumulates, we see calls for perpetrators of domestic violence to be "healed" instead of incarcerated.

gosh, can't have women getting locked up or tossed out of their homes to sleep on the streets now can we?!?

Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Roy on Monday December 01, @10:38PM EST (#3)
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Very perceptive, Dr. D.!

But then, we shant ever hold the "victim gender" accountable, shall we?

The dark side of chivalry again?


"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday December 01, @11:15PM EST (#4)

Having been through the "DV machinery" and forced to admit guilt where there was none, any change is a change for the better.

real abuse should be punished (i.e. evidence) with incarceration.

"She said" evidence has to get thrown out.

This is the problem.
Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Doctor Damage (scottg [fivefoursixseven] at yahoo dot com dot au) on Tuesday December 02, @01:16AM EST (#6)
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Having been through the "DV machinery" and forced to admit guilt where there was none, any change is a change for the better.

True, and I didn't intend to suggest otherwise. Most of the problem IMO is the move to shift domestic violence from a criminal matter to a civil matter. The reasons for this shift are obvious enough: standards of evidence. Clearly punitive decisions are being made on the alleged basis of "equity".

I have no problem with, rather I applaud, jail time for persons convicted of assault. Provided they have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt

Men today have been denied the benefit of reasonable doubt.

Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Doctor Damage (scottg [fivefoursixseven] at yahoo dot com dot au) on Tuesday December 02, @01:28AM EST (#7)
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Having been through the "DV machinery" and forced to admit guilt where there was none

I am furious and outraged that this sort of thing happens, I can only say that I have not been there, but I care anyway. I am just blown away by the number of times people have either assumed that my commitment to these issues stems from a personal involvement or wonder out loud why I bother since I haven't been hurt by it (yet). Such callous disregard for the victims of a court system run amok leaves me speechless (all evidence to the contrary ;)

Anyway, there are more people who see what was done to you as wrong than just those other men who have also been hurt by it.

Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Boy Genteel on Tuesday December 02, @12:13PM EST (#8)
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--I am furious and outraged that this sort of thing happens, I can only say that I have not been there, but I care anyway. I am just blown away by the number of times people have either assumed that my commitment to these issues stems from a personal involvement or wonder out loud why I bother since I haven't been hurt by it (yet). Such callous disregard for the victims of a court system run amok leaves me speechless (all evidence to the contrary ;) --

I hear the same thing when I bring up abused men--people ask if I was abused. (Sometimes, it's sympathetically, I'd like to point out, but sometimes it's almost sarcastically: "So, bg, who abused you? It's obvious, since you care so much..."

bg
 
 
Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:1)
by Tom on Tuesday December 02, @01:12PM EST (#9)
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Amen to DD and BG. I too am a man who has not been personally screwed by the DV industry but I am furious that it is allowed to rape innocent men. Our numbers are growing. Spread the word.


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Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @02:39PM EST (#11)
You guys got it right. And I'm outraged when rags like Newseek run a dumb-ass cover story about some alleged male conspiracy to downplay female characters in the Bible, but never, ever say anything about the gross fraud called the domestic violence industry that is currently ruining many men and women's lives.

Time to be a man and show some real leadership (No, m'am, I wasn't physically abused by a women. Can you image that I just care about gross social injustice?)


Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @02:08PM EST (#10)
As another forced to admit guilt, I find it horribly fascinating that while my ex is in jail, stemming from two (known) assaults since our separation, I myself am being denied the chance to volunteer tutoring at-risk teens for the GED because of my DV record. I AM an abuser in the eyes of the law.

And I seriously doubt it will go away when it is supposed to, either. (i.e. be REALLY expunged from my record after my probation is complete). I hear too many stories about how DV, unlike other crimes, follows you around.
Re:Guarded Optimism for Change in DV Industry (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @12:39AM EST (#5)
This is a good point. And cautious is always called for. I believe in Linda Mills though. I've seen radical feminists attack her at a DV conference when all she did was tell the truth. This helped her see what she would have to face if she wanted to side with the truth, but she's sticking with it, it appears.
Hats off to Cathy Young (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @09:32PM EST (#12)
My hats off to Cathy Young for having the courage to speak the truth about domestic violence in, of all places, Massachusets.

Righteous Blessing to You Cathy,

Sincerely, Ray
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