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I think we will see more of these protests. This one made the ABC national news, especially since it was shut down. I wonder if women would be more supportive if they got a better discount than blacks? Maybe if they got the cookies for free?
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I commend the brave and patriotic students who,at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, protested AA (in a very humerous and civil manner through the bake sale) which is extremely racist,sexist,discriminatory, and oppressive. I attended SMU for one year. Those who promulgate AA clearly do NOT have as their goal equality under the law based upon race, gender, ethnicity, or national origin but preferential treatment based upon the same. The Dallas Morning News published an editorial which very assertively condemned the actions of the SMU authorities as violating the student's 1st Amendment rights to free speech and stated that the SMU authorities should have sent in the campus police to protect them from the violence which AA supporters threatened. I,also, agree with another poster that AA has primarily benefited females not males of color. AA is one of the prime reasons for the destruction of the minority family and for the dramatic increase in minority male imprisonment.
In any case, supporters of AA often use threats, intimidation, blacklisting,censorship,insults, discrimination,governmental coercion, and corruption to further their unjust ends (of course this is the norm for extremist groups).The action of the authorities at SMU in closing down the anti-affirmative action bake sale is just another example of the same.
C.V. Compton Shaw
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The Universities justified its action saying "This was not an issue about free speech" (uh huh...) "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."Has anyone heard of a protest which did not result in hostility? is hostility not the underlying reason and purpose for any protest.
Would violent hostility be enough for you? I don't know if it had actually gotten that far at TU, but I know it has the University of Minnesota. Think of the scene from Die Hard 3 where Bruce Willis is forced to walk through Harlem wearing a large sign saying "I hate niggers". Sure he has the right to say that, but its gonna start some fights.
"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization." struck me as the most egregious sophistry I have encountered in many years (over a decade) following the development of mens politics"
People who complain about affirmative action in college admissions are missing the big picture. Colleges have a system where they award additional points points on top of academic scores for things they want to promote. So sure you school awards more points to black students, but they also might award points if you are the son of alumni. If you think the system of giving preferential treatment to anything other than academic achievement is unfair, then by all means work to get rid of it. But take out the whole system, not just the part that benefits minorities.
Besides, what if this system was used to further causes a little more palitable than Feminazi Studies? How about encouraging more men to go into the field of elementary education. And on the subject of regular old affirmative action, black men could used some help there too. Colin Powell put it nicely when he said "when one black man graduates from college for every 100 that go to prison, we need affirmative action."
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Colin Powell put it nicely when he said "when one black man graduates from college for every 100 that go to prison, we need affirmative action."
What, is merit is too much to ask of them?
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What, is merit is too much to ask of them?
Well dur, of course they're going to have to have some merit. The point is to give them some more encouragement to try and improve that 1:100 ratio, and everyone will benefit in that, even Mr. Skinflint Honkey down the road.
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Well dur, of course they're going to have to have some merit
Not much merit, if they need AA.
The point is to give them some more encouragement to try and improve that 1:100 ratio
That's like saying if somebody is cut in half, a band aid will help. It won't and never will.
and everyone will benefit in that, even Mr. Skinflint Honkey down the road.
How in god's name will it help him?
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 28, @11:13AM EST (#7)
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White people have had their own AA for many years. It's just not called that when white people were/are given preference over minorities, especially black men, it's been the norm.
The same argument can be made that whites don't have much merit since they've relied on this special treatment over minorities for years and years and years.
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White people have had their own AA for many years. It's just not called that when white people were/are given preference over minorities, especially black men, it's been the norm. The same argument can be made that whites don't have much merit since they've relied on this special treatment over minorities for years and years and years.
Oh, so you wanna play dirty huh? fine by me. I see you're trying to paint my race as morally inferior, well guess what? it won't work.
"Affirmative action is discrimination against white males, so if minorities and women are 'equal', as the liberals claim they are, then they don't deserve the benefit of affirmative action since they have the ability to rise on their own; while if they are inferior, they don't deserve the benefit of affirmative action because inferiors do not deserve to be jumped ahead of superiors."
John Byrant.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 28, @12:41PM EST (#13)
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"Oh, so you wanna play dirty huh? fine by me. I see you're trying to paint my race as morally inferior, well guess what? it won't work."
I'm white. White people have and still do discriminate against minorities especially black people. I do not believe white people are morally inferior. If black people were in the same positions as whites they'd be doing the same things. I believe this corruption has everything to do with POWER, and that power corrupts.
Your Quote
"Affirmative action is discrimination against white males, so if minorities and women are 'equal', as the liberals claim they are, then they don't deserve the benefit of affirmative action since they have the ability to rise on their own; while if they are inferior, they don't deserve the benefit of affirmative action because inferiors do not deserve to be jumped ahead of superiors."
This statement is assuming that whites and blacks are STARTING from the same spot. The system is ALREADY 'preferential' towards whites (including white women) which gives whites their own form of AA. This quote of yours is saying that blacks should have the ability to rise on their own from their disadvantaged state and if they can't do it within the systems discrimination in FAVOR of whites then they aren't equal to whites, which is racist.
By the way I'm not a liberal. I believe we should take those who are in power out of power, and not try to put a bandaid on a gash like with AA.
www.anarchyfaq.org
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 28, @12:42PM EST (#14)
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Oh yeah I forgot my name twice.
P. George
I'm not going to reply any further
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I'm white. White people have and still do discriminate against minorities especially black people.
So, you want us to put their interests before ours? are you nuts?
I do not believe white people are morally inferior.
Then have a bit more honour and dignity for your race and culture.
If black people were in the same positions as whites they'd be doing the same things. I believe this corruption has everything to do with POWER, and that power corrupts.
I ain't packing my bags for your guilt trip, no way.
This statement is assuming that whites and blacks are STARTING from the same spot. The system is ALREADY 'preferential' towards whites (including white women) which gives whites their own form of AA. This quote of yours is saying that blacks should have the ability to rise on their own from their disadvantaged state and if they can't do it within the systems discrimination in FAVOR of whites then they aren't equal to whites, which is racist.
The world is racist pal. besides, I don't see them rushing to help us.
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A very wise man once sang ---
"War"
- Bob Marley
What life has taught me
I would like to share with
Those who want to learn...
Until the philosophy which hold one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war
That until there are no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes
Me say war
That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war
That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be persued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war ...
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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White people have had their own AA for many years.
I grew up below the poverty level. In 9th grade, I had one pair of pants and one shirt. I used to look for food in garbage dumsters. I tried to pull out a tooth with a pair of pliers because no one would take me to the dentist. I had a broken ankle that was never set. There were drugs and violence in my house. The police were frequent visitors. They would stop me on my way home from school to see how I was doing, to see if I was OK.
I'm white. Where's my AA?
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How in god's name will it help him?
How in god's name is it not completely obvious? You take some people who are on a road that ends in prison and push them into going into college. Hmm, college graduate vs prison inmate. The first pays taxes while the second uses them. Other side benefits are higher property values, lower crime rates, fewer people on welfare, etc etc.
I would liken it to sending addicts to treatment rather than to jail: a dollar of prevention is more effective than a thousand dollars of cure. Any money spent on education is more than made up for by turning people into productive members of society.
And before somebody goes into a tired old rant about the "evils of liberalism", this is about providing opportunity and improving society, not making handouts for the lazy.
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How in god's name is it not completely obvious? You take some people who are on a road that ends in prison and push them into going into college. Hmm, college graduate vs prison inmate. The first pays taxes while the second uses them. Other side benefits are higher property values, lower crime rates, fewer people on welfare, etc etc.
That's just treating a symptom on a small scale, not the cause. You should read some Tom Sowell and Walter Williams down townhall.com.
The irony here is, for the ones that do make it, AA will cast a permanant shadow of doubt on them.
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I would liken it to sending addicts to treatment rather than to jail: a dollar of prevention is more effective than a thousand dollars of cure. Any money spent on education is more than made up for by turning people into productive members of society.
And before somebody goes into a tired old rant about the "evils of liberalism", this is about providing opportunity and improving society, not making handouts for the lazy.
Affirmative Action has nothing to do with providing opportunity.
The majority of people below the poverty level are white, as are about half of those in prison. If liberals are so concerned about turning people into productive members of society, then AA would be based on economic factors, not race and gender.
Economic factors are far more correlated with the likelyhood of a person going to college and/or commiting a crime than race (and certainly gender in terms of education). Despite this, AA advocates insist that a black child whose parents are doctors should receive preferential treatment over a poverty-stricken white child whose parents never graduated from high school.
No. AA is about treating people differently because of their skin color or sex. It's not about making the world a better place. It's not about opportunity to the disadvantaged. The primary beneficiaries of AA have been well-to-do women, particularly white women. AA is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
I grew up below the poverty level. The mother of one of my female classmates was a state supreme court judge. By AA standards, my classmate should have received preferential treatment because she was a girl. This is liberalism in practice.
When people rant about the "evils of liberalism," they're talking about the hypocrisy of modern day liberals. They're talking about people who have "don't pollute" or "think green" stickers on the bumpers of their cars. They're talking about people who eat at 5-star resturants and then have discussions about world hunger. They're talking about people like Barbara Streisand (spell), who flies around in her private jet, and then "brags" about sharing a cab in order to save gas. They're talking about people who believe a well-to-do black child (or a girl whose mother is a state supreme court justice) should receive preferential treatment over a white boy in poverty. That is liberalism.
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The Universities justified its action saying "This was not an issue about free speech" (uh huh...) "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."Has anyone heard of a protest which did not result in hostility? is hostility not the underlying reason and purpose for any protest.
Would violent hostility be enough for you? I don't know if it had actually gotten that far at TU, but I know it has the University of Minnesota. Think of the scene from Die Hard 3 where Bruce Willis is forced to walk through Harlem wearing a large sign saying "I hate niggers". Sure he has the right to say that, but its gonna start some fights.
Had you read the article, you would have learned that a "shouting match" had developed. In any case, freedom of speech is worthless if we cravenly submit to the willingness of those who oppose said freedom to commit acts of violence.
People who complain about affirmative action in college admissions are missing the big picture
whether I agree with this or not is irrelevant to the issue here: it's not really about Affirmative Action, it's about the willingness of those in authority to trample the first amendment rights of people who oppose Affirmative Action.
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I am offended, becuase white women are the only group who actually benefitted from Affirmative Action.
So as an African American myself and a black man, I can tell ya right now that white women had 80% of the pie.
So the bake Sale saved itself by not making the gender issue, but solely looked at the race issue. If you want to really look at Affirmative Action then look at it as a whole.
So if you really step back and look at it, the bake sale was completely racist.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 28, @11:14AM EST (#8)
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"So if you really step back and look at it, the bake sale was completely racist."
I agree.
P. George
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"So the bake Sale saved itself by not making the gender issue, but solely looked at the race issue. If you want to really look at Affirmative Action then look at it as a whole."--mts1
But gender was included in the bake sale protest. I agree that white women (the people who were least needy) have benefitted the most from affirmative action. Far more than people of ethnic or racial groups.
I think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the university in effect censored the bake sale protest because of its political message. They used the hostile environment excuse to shut down a protest that wasn't politically correct according to campus standards.
If a feminist organization had put on a bake sale protest to make a point about the so called gender wage gap, the campus authorities would probably have given it its blessing and protected the participants.
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You are right! But I see that those that organized this bake sale did not want to deal with the gender side of it. They needed a way to only deal with the race side of affirmative action.
I myself am totally against aa in any way gender or race. But this was pointed right at the black man and woman. And it is offending to me, and if I had seen this I would have said something.
I wonder if the white women was put down as the one paying $.25 what would of happened. I bet the university would have some sort of law suit or something.
My point being is that these "young conservatives" are young white boys who are scared to say anything against their sistas due to the bickering they would get, and the lack of kitty kat that would come to them. I am not saying this to be racist, becuase black men are the same way.
Lets all admit here that we fear saying these things. And get it out in the open. We fear the henpecking, and bickering of females and we will do anything to get around the issue. But we must not allow these young boys to get away with this.
mts1
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I'll say it again - so long as race, gender, and so on and so forth are a factor in admissions, grades, graduation, hiring and such, you're going to have people saying, "Shut up and sit down. It's not like you're here on your merits, you're here because of an Affirmative Action free pass. You're our token ______________"
It's why a lot of people seek out the "white male" when they want a job done. It's for certain that the white male is where he is because he's good, and not because they needed a minority to fill a mandated preferences slot lest they be accused of discrimination.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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In corporate america today, the white male is finding it tougher and tougher to find a job or get a promotion. And I am a black male and I can see the discrimination against white men.
But in this case this is purely a male problem. As soon as we get the big job or promation we hire more females to work under us. In most cases no male wants to deal with other males in the work place.
We all feel good about ourselves when we have a nice looking secretary, and good looking ladies working around us. We dont hire other men.
I have seen this happen to often.
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by Anonymous User on Monday September 29, @04:48PM EST (#24)
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I agree 100%. Much of the discrimination faced
by men is due to other men who fulfilling sexual and status needs by discriminating in favour of women. Needless to say, a man will have no chance of countering this discimination in the (feminist)courts.
Is this a cause of the "glass" ceiling? Women can manipulate their way up the ladder until they reach the final rung. She can't use sexual means at that stage against the man at the top of the ladder as this wont cause him to promote her ( since by promoting her, he will lose HIS job).
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 30, @12:54AM EST (#25)
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"It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."
All I know is that gender studies created a hostile environment for me as a male as I passed through college.
Damn hypocrites, time will reveal feminism as a sexist hater movement soon enough...
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Women really want this hostile environment to get some sort of reaction out of men. For the most part men used to be not concerned until women starting causing problems for boys getting education and jobs. Now the issue is of great importance to men.
And I think women will ultimately wish they had never started this war. becuase the consequences will not be good for future women.
The lying cheating and conniving of the feminist movement has turned off older and younger men, and women are now walking around wide eyed wondering why men are saying the things they are saying.
I saw and interview the other day on ESPN with Phil Jackson the head coach of the Lakers. And he actually said that the Lakers will use the Kobe situation to buld their team around. And it will fuel the team.
Feminists are having a fit. And I bet Phil wont apologize. And I wouldnt.
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