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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @12:03PM EST (#1)
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The bar chart in the article, comparing male and female college entry rates, is quite shocking. I feel the three most important factors in the collapse of male educational attainment are:
1: Annihilation of self-esteem and thus low expectation levels ( produced by feminist controlled media).
2: An unwillingness on the part of men to compete against females, instead there is a willingness to sacrifice themselves on behalf of women ( part of that accursed "male chivalry").
3: Clear discrimination in favour of women in viva exams. If the micro-skirt doesn't succeed in getting them a good mark, then bursting into tears at the appropriate moment is a useful alternative. These approaches invariably work with a chivalrous (that cursed word again) male examiner.
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It's interesting to look at the educational crisis issue in the context of how it reveals clearly that feminists are not at all about gender equality; rather, they have always been about gender privilege through any means necessary to subordinate or disadvantage men.
Recall that in the 70's, 80's, and 90's when the "girls education crisis" was in full bloom, men's reaction was to SUPPORT a wide range of measures costing billions to correct this problem.
Men were indeed in favor of equality of educational opportunity and saw girl's academic challenges as worthy of serious response.
Now that the problem of academic performance is coming to light as primarily a boy's and young men's problem, look how the feminists react!
ANY attention to ANY "men's rights" issue is immediately attacked. They deny, minimize, and distort clearly legitimate concerns in order to keep the focus on their well-oiled "victim industry" menu of feminist causes.
Feminists see this as a zero sum game, in which if boys and men gain, women and girls must lose.
This is a pathological mindset, of course, but that's the consequence of ideological zealotry coupled with just plain mean-spritiness... two stellar attributes of the fembot crowd.
Anyhow, we can certainly learn (again) by watching how the rad fems callously dismiss men's issues that feminism has NEVER EVER been about gender equality.
It's always been about "victim power," and manintaining a monopoly on the government largesse that flows into the Victim Industry's coffers.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Saturday September 27, @11:53PM EST (#22)
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I agree with your analysis.
CJ
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @04:18PM EST (#2)
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Another factor that increases female success is the fact the feminist trained ideologues have a primary focus for the advancement of girls alone within educational environments.
Multiculturism, gender studies and political correctness share the goal of corrupting hetero-sexual norms by forcing the notion that all ideas, gender constructs and systems are equal without instilling any sense of critical thinking as to why this might be so. Just accept it or you are a "hater"
The more that girls are pushed into higher education (yes some will excel), but most will be part of a socially engineered process that says that everyone is the same, regardless of ability.
Feminists have engineered privilege for women in the professional class structures through the manipulation of educational institutions. They start working on making boys less competitive early on, and make sure that the girls have an open path for easy academic success if they chose to pursue it while they are highly encouraged to do so. Boys just do not have this paradigm at work for them, they have to make it own their own, or come from a good family that is supportive.
The connection between good men and boys has been broken down by the negative portrayal of maleness in the media. Men are easily driven out of their homes by sexist hate laws that easily vilify dads, and it is a liability for a man to take on a leadership role with young children as the imparting of the “I am a victim” culture is rampant as set in motion by feminists.
Today, young men live in a world that is highly hostile to them, and they live in a culture that hides good male role models from them.
Feminism is rampant unchecked sexism
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"Feminism is rampant unchecked sexism "
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @06:19PM EST (#8)
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If feminists are covert communists, then 90% of American women are covert communists (since at least 90% of American women are enthusiastic supporters of feminism).
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"If feminists are covert communists, then 90% of American women are covert communists (since at least 90% of American women are enthusiastic supporters of feminism)."
On what do you base that claim. According to what I've read, surveys show that most American women are rather wary of feminists and their political goals.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday September 27, @04:20AM EST (#18)
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"On what do you base that claim."
The claim is based on the following, which I believe to be irrefutable:
1. American politicians are terrified to deviate from the feminist agenda, as they KNOW that they will be butchered by women at the ballot box if they so deviate.
2. American manufacturers/ advertisers are terrified to deviate from the feminist agenda, as they KNOW that they will be butchered by women at the supermarket checkouts if they so deviate.
3. American television/ film industry are terrified to deviate from the feminist agenda, as they know they will be butchered by women in the ratings war, if they so deviate.
American women may profess themselves to be "wary" of feminism, but that "wariness" obviously doesn't stop them supporting feminism.
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It's always been interesting to me that radical feminists claim (blame) the "patriarchy" -- i.e. the systematic socialization of males into believing they have an inalienable right to exert "power and control" over women -- for all society's injustices against females.
Setting aside the logical fallacy of a conscious, organized conspiracy by men against women (all that exertion must be why we die on average 6 years earlier than all those gals that we exhaust ourselves by oppressing...), one might inquire -- WHO are the primary socializing agents of boys & young men?
It takes no insight at all to determine that these "agents of patriarchy" -- those persons who have the greatest time with and influence over boys & young men -- are, in rough order: mothers, day care providers, & elementary school teachers.
ALL of whom (at least 93% anyway) are female.
So, who is perpetuating this insidious patriarchy that so corrupts boys/men in the service of oppressing women?
The educational system is now dominated by women in the K-12 grades by the vast proportion of teachers who are female.
The college/university levels have been utterly commandered and corrupted by the organized rad fems in academia and their fellow travellers in administration -- the majority of whom are men.
If boys/young men are failing now in their educational pursuits, one must employ the feminists own impecable "logic" and seek to identify a systematic cause... if not an outright conspiracy.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander!
Can't have it both ways, ladies...
Feminists are right to be very very concerned about the shifting perceptions of gender injustice in our culture.
The anti-male Injustice Industry that is coming into public focus -- the DV hysteria, the divorce & family courts fiasco, the false allegation racket (rape, paternity, DV, etc.) --
will be the ultimate undoing of feminism.
Reasonable, fairminded people will not for much longer tolerate the criminality of radical gender feminism and its poisonous effects...
Whether it's boys failing academically, fathers being banished from seeing their children, men's livelihoods being terminated by false accusations, WOMEN's lives being adversely affected by the marriage strike, and by men's growing realization that things are seriously "outta whack" and their natural response in withholding their commitments...
It's a good time to be advocating for men, because the momentum is building daily!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Correcting the statistical/rhetorical misperception... last time I checked, nearly 100% of mothers were of the female/heterosexual gender.
Not counting the lesbian moms.
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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The original insightful post entitled, "More Factors", well reasoned and supported by valid premises, demonstrates that the famous German military theoretician, Clauswitz, was correct when he stated that the purpose of war was to "surround and disarm the enemy." This indicates to me that males must acknowledge that feminists and female elitists have utelized the aforementioned tactic against males with a resultant "call to arms" by males , organize politically, and assertively make collective efforts to strategically and tactically disempower this feminist and female assault on males in education and otherwise,disempower the political,legal, and cultural system which promulgates the same, and eventually confront and disempower the feminist and female elitist organization itself. Then, the same should be, as Clauswitz stated, "surrounded and disarmed."
C.V. Compton Shaw
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So does that mean that when the numbers were reversed there was an insidious educational bias against girls?
It seems to me that if the disparity is worlwide (actually if you read the report it is only in countries Western or western-like countries) then it is not necessarily our USA culture which is the problem.
It seems to me that the problem is the mentality of the zero sum game, that if girls are doing better, then boys have to lose. This is a false choice but is the only one we are presented with usually in discussions like these.
The other question no one wants to answer is: Does numerical parity equal no discrimination? If so, then the opposite must be true, therefore, since most engineers are male, then logically there must be discrimination against females in our Engineering schools. (I don't believe this, but logic the numerica disparity logic would go both ways, were we to subscribe to it).
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actually, yes.
I do believe that girls were not treated as equals in the past. However, the pendulum has indeed swung for the other way, with boys treated as universally 'evil' while girls are treated as incapable of 'bad'.
Also, the process is slanted not enough towards science (where boys excel), and too much towards 'liberal' arts (where girls excel). Hence, we are (and have been) losing the all important manufacturing and engineering jobs, while gaining redundant service sector jobs.
No, I'm not saying that what women do is useless. I'm saying that without 'creation' industries, both men AND women will be out of luck.
Mitchell. A. Smith
"An ambiguous perspective is all you can hope for when initially confronted by that which you do not know."
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @06:50PM EST (#10)
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If your reaction to the educational plight of males is to babble on endlessly and abstractly, while doing nothing, you're totally heartless, if not worse.
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So does that mean that when the numbers were reversed there was an insidious educational bias against girls?
The numbers were never reversed, at least in the United States during the last 100 years. Throughout the 20th century, the average girl/woman has been better educated and has had more educational opportunity than the average boy/man.
In 1900, for example, the sign of an excellent education was a high school diploma. Back then, women were far more likely than men to be high school graduates. This has been true throughout the 20th century, and is the best measure of educational achievement.
College was available only to the elite few during the first part of the 20th century. Yes, more men than women attended college in 1900, but the numbers were so small as to be insignificant. It has been only during the last 30-40 years that college has been available to the general population.
A relatively small percentage of people attended college during the 20th century - overall, about the same number of women as men. A much larger percentage of people graduated from high school, with the significant majority of these being women.
Boys/men have always been on the short end of the education stick. Thanks to feminism, it's worse now than ever before.
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"It seems to me that the problem is the mentality of the zero sum game, that if girls are doing better, then boys have to lose. This is a false choice but is the only one we are presented with usually in discussions like these."--Lorianne
Or another way to characterize the zero sum game mentality is the notion that if boys want equal treatment and respect then girls must lose.
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Aside from Democrats and professional feminists, the biggest complaint among women today is not a lack of opportunities, but a lack of affluent men who are willing and able to support them. Most women just want to work for a few years and then stay home and make babies. Now that they have used affirmative action and educational preferences to take jobs away from men, more and more women are finding out that staying home is not an option. So what we have now is a workplace full of frustrated and resentful women who prefer to blame "lazy and shiftless" men rather than face up to what is happening. I could almost feel sorry for them.
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @06:48PM EST (#9)
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I sooo tired of hearing about what women want. Let's talk about what men want: equal life opportunities (longevity, children, work vs. home life...), educational opportunities that don't make them into second-class citizens, end to being unlawfully terrorized with accusations of domestic violence and rape, end to unequal treatment under selective service, women who treat us like fully human beings,...
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If women are screwing themselves by their current behavior, it doesn't hurt to point it out. You can often get better results by appealing to people's self interest than you can by appealing to their sympathy.
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 26, @08:49PM EST (#13)
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"You can often get better results by appealing to people's self interest than you can by appealing to their sympathy."
I think I'd substitute the word "always" for "often" in the above sentence.
This principle should be applied when trying to attract more men to the mens movement. It may be more fruitful to point out to men the advantages they will get from gender equality, rather than highlighting individual cases of injustice (however worthy they may be).
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Now that the problem of academic performance is coming to light as primarily a boy's and young men's problem, look how the feminists react!
This is why I have been saying that when "women's issues" are brought up, our reacction must be a collective "So what?"
Women have their advocates and champions. Why don't we need to join up and fight injustice wherever it is found. Simple. Duplication of effort is inefficient, and besides, they don't give a fuck when the tables are turned.
They remain single issue - we divide our resources.
Oh, yeah. That's real bright.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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by Anonymous User on Saturday September 27, @03:28PM EST (#21)
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They remain single issue - we divide our resources.
That's why a lot of feminists are miserable, hateful, boring persons. I agree that it's important to focus on men's issues, because they are the key social justice issue of today. But let's not become like feminists in other ways, e.g. hateful, miserable, boring, etc.
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