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by Anonymous User on Monday July 28, @07:30PM EST (#1)
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I do not advocate harassing her, but I certainly do advocate getting to the bottom of this. I do not believe in a presumption of guilt for the accused as the media has been so fond of doing to men in the past, and again in this case. Likewise, I do not believe in a presumption of victimhood on the part of the accuser just based on her word and female gender.
If anyone or anything is suspect in my mind it is the laws of the state of colorado. They are some of the most biased, antimale laws in the nation, and have been abusing the rights of innocent men for decades.
My advice to all men, "Don't visit, or go to, or pass through, or live in the great hate state (to men) of colorado. If you already live there move." Unfortunately to get away from unjust G-fem law you'll probably have to go to Antarctica. Still, there are few places worse than colorado.
Ray
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An excellent statement. I agree wholeheartedly. Anyone who'se already made up their mind about this case, before the evidence is even presented, is a damned fool.
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>Anyone who'se already made up their mind about this case, before the evidence is even presented, is a damned fool.
I don't believe we need to hear anymore evidence. And I think we are all aware that listening to all the evidence that is presented in court doesn't guarantee that a correct determination of guilt will be set forth. Since both participants agree that they had sex and she was in his room of her own free will, what kind of evidence do you expect that could possibly prove that Kobe forced her to have sex?
We, as individuals, have every right to make our decisions based on all the evidence we deem to be sufficient. Personally, I feel that I've heard enough to determine that this girl is sick, sick, sick, and Kobe Bryant is being screwed... royally.
Furthermore, we as individuals aren't required to listen to all the lies that this girl in this case is going to spew forth, along with her lawyer, before I make a fully educated and reasoned decision as to whether or not she's lying.
She's lying. Now I just hope that Kobe can prove that or prove in court that she's a wacko, enough to get an innocent verdict from the jury. Then I hope he sues the living daylights out of her for millions afterward to make up for all the money he'll no doubt lose in endorsement income regardless of what the court's determination is. I further think this should be done to help discourage other female leeches from doing the same thing in the future to other men.
Dittohd
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 29, @11:50AM EST (#12)
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"Since both participants agree that they had sex and she was in his room of her own free will, what kind of evidence do you expect that could possibly prove that Kobe forced her to have sex?"
colorado appears to be one of those G-feminized states like california, where a woman can change her mind right in the middle of sexual intercourse, then it becomes rape if the man doesn't immediately pull out. Under this kind of G-fem law it becomes much easier for a man to be convicted of rape, AND for a conniving woman to set a man up for a rape charge. I'm not saying that's exactly what happened here, but it certainly has the makings of that.
Ray
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Does Glen have any real evidence that she's been harassed or is he just trying to prove he isn't a chauvanist, like so many men often do?
There's a lot of "if she really was raped" speculation going around. Hint - people who are really raped don't brag about it. If she's really being harassed even though no almighty judge has deemed her accusation false yet, (or more likely *unfounded* in order to protect her), good.
Final question to Glen. If a man bragged about sleeping with Carmen Electra and then claimed she really raped him would you chastize those who mocked him?
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Well since she's not the one who could be going to prison I think I'm well within my rights to thing she is a liar.
Though, I've learned that judging someone without all the facts is often a mistake.
I don't think this girl should be harassed until she's testifying. And I believe whole heartedly that the accused has every single right whatsoever to bring up every little detail of her life and put her credibility on trial because that's whats going to happen to him.
This bullshit about 'Even a prostitute can be raped" has to stop. All that does is reaffirm that women should be embarassed about their sexual history. It's not progress and its not fairness nor justice.
I for one believe we live in a climate where 90% of accusations are patently false. There is far to much encouragement for women to lie or to use the 'rape card' to get themselves out of shit.
Statistics are so bogus that we'd have to believe that 1 in 4 men everywhere are rapists.
Both sexes lie about sex, and Im not calling every woman a liar, Im just saying that for women the rape card is often a choice for the 10% of women who would make such a hateful and hurtful claim.
Men have to make a stand here because rape was used by marxist feminists to destroy men and advance their agenda selfishly.
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Feminism is a covert form of communism.
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According to the New York Post, a friend of the accuser said:
"She's been having e-mails about people that want to kill her, they want to kill her family," the friend told "Inside Edition."
Larry
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"She's been having e-mails about people that want to kill her, they want to kill her family," the friend told "Inside Edition."
I'd like to see the proof on that. If it's true, it's a slam-dunk candidate for prosecution.
Any indictments? No?
Must be a lie.
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I realized, after posting, that some people might get up in arms, and get their panties in a wad (I.E., the pheminist monitors) so I'll be more specific.
It's called "Intimidating a witness."
It's a felony.
Prosecutors are eager and joyful to prosecute; and also to use it as evidence against the person charged.
Since none of these things have been done by the prosecutor, it's not a great leap of inductive or intuitive thought to conclude that none of those things (Harassing phone calls, death threats, vulgar emails, or a combination of the above, et al) have actually occured. In fact, it's a very female way of showing "support" by claiming all kinds of wild and unsubstantiated things in defense of a friend. (End justifies the means)
So ... now back to your regularly scheduled ranting.
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Since none of these things have been done by the prosecutor, it's not a great leap of inductive or intuitive thought to conclude that none of those things (Harassing phone calls, death threats, vulgar emails, or a combination of the above, et al) have actually occured.
This seems rather a leap. It's not likely that someone engaging in criminal harrassment would leave their name and address when they call, and, if they had two braincells or more, they'd use nonce webmail accounts to deliver email death threats. It would be a non-trivial diversion of police resources to track the authors down and of no prospective benefit to the prosecution of the main charge.
I'm in Australia, so things may be different, but people involved in high-profile cases often receive all sorts of abuse and the police rarely do anything to pursue the perpetrators. Many people on the receiving end of hate mail think it is better to just destroy the evidence and move on rather than involve the police.
cheers,
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This seems rather a leap. It's not likely that someone engaging in criminal harrassment would leave their name and address when they call, and, if they had two braincells or more, they'd use nonce webmail accounts to deliver email death threats
Not so. Working in the Telcom and computer industries myself, hell, the old days are past. Your call can be traced as the phone is ringing, and give me any email, and I can trace it back to the account in a matter of days.
And I don't have access to the resources law enforcement has.
No, if she was REALLY getting such "threats" there would be things being done, and damn high profile things being done at that.
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Moi: This seems rather a leap. It's not likely that someone engaging in criminal harrassment would leave their name and address when they call, and, if they had two braincells or more, they'd use nonce webmail accounts to deliver email death threats
Gonzo: Not so. Working in the Telcom and computer industries myself, hell, the old days are past. Your call can be traced as the phone is ringing, and give me any email, and I can trace it back to the account in a matter of days.
(1) What makes you think the harrasser would give advance notice of his calls? If someone makes a one-off threat by phone, how do you trace the call as the phone is ringing?
(2) Several papers report that the prosecuting DA has complained of receiving threats and that these are being investigated. So far no indictments. By your logic the DA is also a liar -- do you really hold this position? Otherwise do admit that its possible for someone to be in receipt of threats and no indictments to have been issued?
(3) As to the email, I'll send you an email at your yahoo account and you post my personal details. Ok?
cheers,
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(1) What makes you think the harrasser would give advance notice of his calls? If someone makes a one-off threat by phone, how do you trace the call as the phone is ringing?
How the heck do you think Caller ID works? That function, here in the US generally known as "*67" can be disabled by the proper equiopment, which is about $45, and freely available in most places if you report phone harassment. I can buy a recorder adapter at Radio Shack for $12. I can buy one that starts the recorder automatically for $25.
(2) Several papers report that the prosecuting DA has complained of receiving threats and that these are being investigated. So far no indictments. By your logic the DA is also a liar -- do you really hold this position?
In fact, because the DA in 99.999% of all cases is a politician, I assert that you can tell they are lying because their lips are moving. I've been round and round with DA's and local prosecutors. Thay have no interest in justice or truth - it's an ephemeral and occasional byproduct of their proceedings at best - but in racking convictions and tally marks in the win column.
So -hmmm - Would a DA say an untrue thing (Lie) to curry favor with a pheminist constituency? In a word, I'd be amazed to find even one who wouldn't, and consider it a miracle of such magnitude that I'd want to find the saint responsible for it so they could be canonized.
Yes, obviuously, I have no faith in the system, I barely consider it to be capable of being fixed, and the jury is still out as to whether such an effort would be worth it for me.
Otherwise do admit that its possible for someone to be in receipt of threats and no indictments to have been issued?
It's possible if they don't wish to prosecute such threats. If they had a credible threat, that was issued to intimidate the complainee, then yes, they would be prosecuting it.
(3) As to the email, I'll send you an email at your yahoo account and you post my personal details. Ok?
Sure you want to go down that road, there? I'm not sure I want to take such a sucker bet - the details that would be proof enough would be actionable for me to obtain illicitly, let alone post. I do not have a PI license to entitle me to do the former.
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Gonzo is right about the ease with which death threat phone calls can be traced. All it takes is *69. It is just as easy with emails in most cases.
What people do not realize is that the DA has been indoctrinated to arrest the innocent male no matter what the physical evidence is that exonerates that male. The source of the funds to train the DA’s to arrest the male comes from the VAWA.
Using the funds from the VAWA (4+ billion) the radical feminists have rewritten all of the rape arrest training manuals. The manuals now contain biased language that encourage the arrest and prosecution of the male even when it is clear that there are false allegations. The manuals also encourage the councilor to advise the woman that she was raped if the woman asks for an opinion and there is doubt on the part of the female. This means that the councilors are making judgments and using their authority to impose their values upon the female. If the female reasserts doubt then they often become more assertive. The councilors have a financial incentive to have the female claim rape because if there are no or too few victims they loose their jobs and funding.
For example, when the female admits to abusing drugs this is counted as evidence that a rape has taken place. That also includes having a false accuser admit to having psychiatric problems and drug overdoses. When the female states during an investigation that there have been drug overdoses and prior arrests that counts as evidence that a rape actually took place.
The only thing about Kobe that bothers me is that he isn’t showing the rage that is typical of a false arrest. When a male is innocent of charges and put in jail they are normally outraged at the false arrest. All male victims of false arrest will understand this fact. We do not see this with Kobe. However, we can explain this lack of rage by coaching of council who told him to hide behind the skirt of his wife.
By contrast, we have at least two accounts of Kate overdosing on drugs and attempting suicide. We also know there is one incident where an officer had her put in protective custody as a danger to herself. That means that Kate Faber is able to harm herself, and inflict she is capable of inflicting wounds upon herself to fake a rape. There is no question of these facts. There are also sealed police response records that would clearly damage her case if a jury were to learn of the police responses to her home.
Finally, there is nothing that Kate has claimed that cannot be explained by rough-and-tumble sex. A torn blouse is easily imagined to be the result of passion; especially since they viewed an x-rated movie prior to the act. These movies often have this element present.
The torn vagina is easily explained using anatomy and the possibility that she may not have been properly lubricated during intercourse. The bruises are easily explained as a normal reaction to rough-and-tumble sex or her inflicting injuries upon herself.
Lets also not forget that she had to go home to daddy who was most likely asking where she was all night. If she was scared of dad’s response then it is easy to explain that she made up the false allegations. Girls telling daddy that it wasn’t their fault they were out all night is the number one reason for false allegations. Note that the news media has suppressed this fact. Also, note that it was mommy and daddy that took her into the police department.
Was Kate Faber raped? HELL NO! This is a lying false accusing bitch (IMHO). Only a bigoted anti-male racist jury would convict Kobe.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 30, @07:06PM EST (#25)
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"The manuals also encourage the councilor to advise the woman that she was raped if the woman asks for an opinion and there is doubt on the part of the female. This means that the councilors are making judgments and using their authority to impose their values upon the female. If the female reasserts doubt then they often become more assertive. The councilors have a financial incentive to have the female claim rape because if there are no or too few victims they loose their jobs and funding."
...and people wonder why they call these monsters feminazis.
...because it fits like a glove, that's why. If these gender feminists aren't Nazis in the truest sense of the word, then Osama Bin Laden is really the tooth fairy and Sadam Hussein is Santa Claus.
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(1) What makes you think the harrasser would give advance notice of his calls? If someone makes a one-off threat by phone, how do you trace the call as the phone is ringing?
How the heck do you think Caller ID works? That function, here in the US generally known as "*67" can be disabled by the proper equiopment, which is about $45, and freely available in most places if you report phone harassment. I can buy a recorder adapter at Radio Shack for $12. I can buy one that starts the recorder automatically for $25.
Go ahead, it wont do anything for you. I said "one-off". Unless you have a time machine there will be no call for you to trace. And how do you know the perpetrator isn't using a public phone, or an anonymous mobile phone? You seem to be deliberately avoiding my points. Your original claim was extremely broad and to defend it you need to show that the perp can be instantly identified in all cases. The fact is you can't.
(3) As to the email, I'll send you an email at your yahoo account and you post my personal details. Ok?
Sure you want to go down that road, there? I'm not sure I want to take such a sucker bet - the details that would be proof enough would be actionable for me to obtain illicitly, let alone post. I do not have a PI license to entitle me to do the former.
Now you're just finding excuses to evade the issue. You have my permission to post my personal details in this thread. Actually lets say you win if you post one fact about me which would be of use to the police which I haven't already disclosed in this forum. Do we have a deal?
Of course, there is nil chance that a foreigner could successfully prosecute you in the US for doing so, even if you didn't have his consent. They haven't even prosecuted anyone for posting the KB accuser's details, despite the whole feminarchy supposedly being on the case.
I think it detracts from the credibility of this site if you post hysterical nonsense. I try not to.
cheers,
Tim
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Go ahead, it wont do anything for you. I said "one-off". Unless you have a time machine there will be no call for you to trace. And how do you know the perpetrator isn't using a public phone, or an anonymous mobile phone? You seem to be deliberately avoiding my points. Your original claim was extremely broad and to defend it you need to show that the perp can be instantly identified in all cases. The fact is you can't.
No need to be acerbic. Tracing calls isn't like in the movies where you have to do it in 60 seconds or you lose the trace. The fact is that phone companies keep records of calls, so even if you have a caller id blocker, all the cops have to do is call up Southwestern Bell (or whomever) and ask for a list of numbers. Thats even without using all the surveillance stuff built into modern phone equipment; for a nice explanation of it and some of the problems, check out this editorial.
As for tracing email, send one to yourself and look at the headers, it will have your ip address in it. With your ip address they can find out where you send the email from. Much like a pay phone, you could always try to find a computer in a net cafe or at a university, but also like pay phones, these computers usually have video surveillance.
So unless you are good a phreaking or masking your ip address, chances are good you'll be found out if you make a death threat. But people who are good at such things usually aren't stupid rednecks who would be making threats in the first place.
As for the DA, I think he's doing this as much to boost his own image as any search for justice. Why do I say that? Because the guy made a press release that he'd made up his mind whether or not to prosecute. Thats all well and good, but the purpose wasn't let the public know what that decision was, but that there was going to be another announcement later in the week at which he would actually say whether or not he was going to prosecute, which would happen at 5:00pm...prime time. The *only* possible purpose for this was to have as many people watching as possible. Either the girl is lying and a media-whore DA wants to take down a celebrity, or the girl is telling the truth and its unfortuante that the DA cares more about his image than in prosecuting the case professionaly.
I think it detracts from the credibility of this site if you post hysterical nonsense.
You being a dick doesn't do anything for your credibility, either.
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Your original claim was extremely broad and to defend it you need to show that the perp can be instantly identified in all cases. The fact is you can't.
This is a case of moving the goal posts on your part.
Fact of the matter is, the minute you make a call, it is traced. This is for many purposes, including billing and to aid law enforcement.
Any cop, anywhere in the US, can go to an telephone companyt office and pull a full record of all calls made either to or from a given number; this will include all "blocked ID" calls. This in fact is so routine it can happen 24/7, the function being handled by clerks.
And as for "anonymous" public phones - well, by my reckoning it'll take you about $48.85 at your local Wal-mart to have such a prepaid phone and get your 5 minutes of international anonymity. Make sure you pay cash. And make sure you don't add minutes at any time except with cash - and if you make a nuisance of yourself, count on adding minutes to be impossible.
Yeah, real smart. I'm sure these rednecks making these threats have this kind of money, and such foresight.
Now - email - frankly, I don't want to give you my private account because you're being such a jackass.
Break down your own email. Send it to an account that displays the whole message, and look at the headers. They cointain your originating IP, as well as the route the email took to get there. (A common error with many script-kiddies is that they spoof their own originating IP, but it still has the routing information in the headers.) It's also time and date stamped. Trace the IP to an ISP, send a strongly worded letter about harassment with vague legal threats, and they will be eager to dig into the DHCP audit trail for "Who was using that IP at that time?" and throw you under the bus.
Chances are they'll also suspend your account and/or privileges. You know - on second thought, go ahead and send that email to my public address. Since you've been a perfect pecker here, I'll be happy to show you just what hell someone can raise with your info.
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by Anonymous User on Monday July 28, @11:12PM EST (#6)
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How do we know the alleged victim received genuine threats? Is this a feminist ploy that will be used to discourage naming alleged victims in the future?
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Very good point.
I think rape allegations are at epidemic levels in North America. Im tickled pink that all these articles are coming out questioning enforcement and trial policies that deny the accused the rights to face their accuser.
Its so interesting that in all areas of gender related laws they are the only ones that deny the accuser a true fair trial.
All rape sheild laws do is reaffirm that women should be ashamed of their sexual histories. Making it fake feminism in my opinion.
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Feminism is a covert form of communism.
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I watched Mathews' show on MSNBC last week.
I like his show.
I just found it weird that he was so pro-secrecy and privacy about the accuser then he did a complete 180 when the issue came to H. Clinton and the law suit against her.
He attacked the accuser in that case.
So this whole issue is a loaded cannon, and the death threats were probably just that, empty threats.
When it comes to women, the male population just seems to lack any coherent set of values.
But the tide will change and maybe sooner than we think.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 29, @12:07PM EST (#13)
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Friends:
I was listening to a T.V. pundit the other night (Joe Scarborough) talking about the Kobe Bryant case and one of his guests said, "There's a terrible stigma attached to rape so that's why rape shield laws are needed so rape victims will come forward and be protected." It appears domestic violence laws work to protect the accuser in similar ways.
My question is, "What about the stigma attached to false accusations, and the destruction they do to the wrongly accused person's life?" "What about their rights, and need for protection?" "Where is the consideration for the falsely accused and the punishment for the false accuser?" No mention anywhere in the media! Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? These days there appears to be an assumption of guilty until proven innocent for an accused man based solely on the perceived credibility of a woman as the unquestionable voice of integrity. That needs desperately to change before we can even purport to have a semblance of equal justice under the law in this country.
On the Innocence Project web page the following were listed as factors in the 1st 70 cases (were exoneration occurred as a result of DNA evidence):
False Witnesses - 17,
Mistaken I.D. - 61,
Police Misconduct - 38,
Prosecutorial Misconduct - 34,
Informants/Snitches - 16.
Obviously more than one factor could have been a cause contributing to wrongful conviction.
In the research I have done on the california Penal Code I found out that a person could be Falsely Accused of Domestic Violence, Major Assault (a Felony) and put through the living nightmare of that scenario, BUT the false accuser of such a crime can only be charged with a MISDEMEANOR for filing that false police report alleging a felony.
The true reality is that the police rarely ever go after a female making false allegations, even when there is strong evidence of that, but will go after more serious charges of rape, domestic violence, etc., against a man based solely on the unsubstantiated lies of a female.
The law is clearly set up to encourage false accusations of men by women in the aforementioned areas and in a number of other areas as well (paternity fraud, child abuse, sexual harassment, etc. The laws must change to reflect equal justice for men and women instead of this biased, gender feminst hate law that exists today in america and most of the western world.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 29, @01:00PM EST (#14)
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Glenn said:
"It is an established fact that many accusations of rape are false. It is perfectly true, as many are saying, that the charges against Kobe Bryant could well be fabrications born of greed or vengeance, and it's quite possible that the DA is pursuing the case simply because of political pressure, or because he wants to make a name and a career for himself."
Glenn went on to say... "However..."
At this point Glenn talks about the wackos who are out there on the internet, and condemns them unequivocally. I too have seen the crazy stuff that is being written about this case on the internet by some real half-wits and brainless morons. Glenn makes a valid point in this area, however...
However, by closing with his condemnation of those half-wits Glenn weakens a primary point that is just not being made strongly enough. That point is the point he opened with, the point I quoted at the begining. Glenn, in my opinion, should have ended by writting another paragraph starting with "however," then pointing out that these wackos are not only hurting a possible rape victim, they are also hurting a possibly falsely accussed man who is getting very little support from the media. The support that I have seen for this possibly falsely accused man has only been watered down and tempered with ambiguity at best, when I have seen it at all. Some times ambiguity is the best that can be hoped for when faced with the uncertainity of facts like these (as a writter to this site is fond of saying). Still, considering how the professional media is so biased, and slanting so much to the victims side, it would be refreshing to see the aforementioned points driven home more strongly.
The bias that the mainstream media is showing to this accused man (possibly falsely) has become a major part of the story. The fact that the reporting and intergrity of the mainstream meida has been challenged by the internet is now a major part of this story. The main stream media is now being forced to report the side of this story that is being brought to public attention by those wackos on the internet.
I am not thrilled by a lot of half baked comments I read about this case on the internet, however if that has somehow forced the mainstream media to be more honest and objective in their coverage of this story, then that is not entirely a bad thing, just unfortunate that it takes this kind of vituperative outburst by those wackos to bring the media more in line with what it should have been in the first place (fair and balanced). It has a nice ring to it, but it's really hard to find anywhere in the mainstream media when talking about men's issues.
In closing just let me say that the major media outlets could learn volumes from the fair and balanced reporting of men's issues, that is the trademark of Glenn Sacks. Just because I would emphasize some points differently on this case, than Glenn would, doesn't mean I am disagreeing with what he is saying here.
Just my perspective and opinions,
Sorry aobut that 81 word sentence,
Ray
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Based on all I have heard on the case, so far, I do not believe the allegations against Kobe Bryant.
We shall see if he is railroaded, and paraded before a kangaroo court. It is my sad belief that a drumhead style trial is entirely possible.
If it turns out he is fairly convicted, I think he should go to jail. For a long time.
Howsogoddamever;
If he is railroaded, I will be on the "Free Kobe Bryant" bandwagon. Railroading will include disallowing anything in his defense.
If he is found innocent - I will then hold his accuser in full and utter contempt and scorn, and will not mourn in the slightest anything which may befall her. At that point, let the chips fall where they may, and if some whack-job gets to her....who cares? Just another lying bitch. Far as I'm concerned, at that time they can place her obituary in the classifieds under "Public improvements." Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Will I go after, aid, abet, call for, or conspire for her murder? No, and Hell no. She wouldn't be worth the aggravation to me. Neither though, would I cross the street to piss on her were she on fire, and to be frank, were I sitting on a jury where a hypothetical future someone was on trial for harming her, I'd be a holdout, calling for acquittal and exercising jury nullification, by whatever reason I could find.
Mark her for life, with a brand and tatoo on her forehead as a liar. The rage I feel at false accusations is terrible and towering. It is absolutely unforgivable and totally inexcusable. It is wrong, dead wrong, a hundred percent wrong, and no amount of shame, stigma, or social sanction can befall a woman who does such a heinous thing, and suffice to punish her for the atrocity she perpetrated.
That, Glenn, is where I stand.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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"If he is railroaded, I will be on the "Free Kobe Bryant" bandwagon. Railroading will include disallowing anything in his defense."
I seriously hope people get a wake up call on how rape trials are total bullshit anymore. So I hope Kobe gets railroaded just like every other average guy, so the public can see first hand what a pile of shit it realy is.
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Feminism is a covert form of communism.
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I seriously hope people get a wake up call on how rape trials are total bullshit anymore. So I hope Kobe gets railroaded just like every other average guy, so the public can see first hand what a pile of shit it realy is.
Wow. While I don't want another innocent male in jail, there is a part of me that wants the public to see that he is clearly 100% innocent and then see him jailed like the rest of the innocent victims. The he would learn how it feels when the poor are and disadvantaged males are subjected to such false allegations.
Unfortunately, I also believe that Kobe must become a martyr so that we can have justice. Now if Kobe were helping men's issues groups with his millions I would never wish such a thing on Kobe, but because of his apathy towards innocent victims and the issues that we fight against I must admit that I secretly hope he goes down if it is clear to the public that Kobe is innocent. Maybe then we might see real change.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 30, @07:21PM EST (#26)
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"Unfortunately, I also believe that Kobe must become a martyr so that we can have justice."
"I must admit that I secretly hope he goes down if it is clear to the public that Kobe is innocent. Maybe then we might see real change."
I'm not sure that would be enough to stir apathetic males to action.
On the other hand, feminists will definitely be on the war path if Kobe doesn't fry, but don't worry "the terrible truck will be on the road and in their face either way. Let me know where they're gathering, should he get off, and I'll show up with the big sign that says PROSECUTE FALSE ACCUSERS.
One of my most satisfying days in life was when a couple of us showed up at the big Women's Day anti war rally with, FEMINIST LIES MAKE BAD LAWS.
At least one of those females was witnessed gesturing obscenely with her middle finger, when she saw the sign. I can't tell you how healing it is to recall that moment still, and laugh my butt off every time I think about it. Yes, Warble those were not ladies. Their true battering, bigoted colors really showed through that day.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 29, @02:35PM EST (#15)
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Friends:
With the influence of thirty years of advocacy by radical gender feminist we have seen a steady decline in what the law considers to be rape, domestic violence, child abuse, etc.
With the onslaught of hundreds and hundreds of women’s commissions, who now train police and judges in their philosophy, and nary the influence of a single men’s commission, we have seen a steady erosion of men’s rights under law, and a steady increase in the number of men in prisons. At the same time we have seen massive increases in services for women, but few or none for men. It is in this climate of hate, hostility and sexism instituted by our government against men, that we see the whimper of a men’s movement, and one or two men's commissions struggling for survival. The outcry of pain and suffering by men is great, but the ears of our elected representatives have been closed tightly by the political power of the siren screeches of gender feminists.
It is into this sordid cauldron of mischief and misandrist law that one Kobe Bryant has of late fallen. We all know as much of the story as is ascertainable for now so I won’t belabor the minimum of facts we know with further conjecture, but I will proceed to ask the very valid question that has heretofore gone unasked, and that is, “What should be the protection a rape accuser is entitled to in light of the ease with which accusations of rape can now be made and proven?”
Over the aforementioned 30 years, the ease with which rape accusations can be made has steadily declined, at the same time the protection for the one accusing rape has risen (rape shielding laws). Is this right? Is the law in this area so above justice, that rape accusers (also domestic violence accusers) are entitled to special protection by law that accusers (men) in other areas of law are not entitled to? Have we now come to such a point that a man can be accused and convicted on the mere words of a woman, and some circumstantial evidence, and inquiring minds can not even ask valid questions? Do we trust the law to protect our interests (men’s interests) that much? Is the rape accuser (d.v. accuser, etc.) now so deified by law as to be above scrutiny of the law? Sadly the answer to that last question as proven by those who have been acquitted by DNA evidence is YES. Is the FEMALE accuser now so deified by law as to be above scrutiny of the law? If not where are the prosecutions for false allegations?
Does all of this alleged injustice justify the vituperative uprising that we are now seeing on the internet? No, but it certainly helps to explain it. It also explains, that public awareness of atrocities committed by gender feminists over the last 30 years is growing. When reading between the lines of what we are seeing today, politicians would be wise to hear the voices of their constituents: the men who have been unjustly maligned, accused, punished, and robbed by the atrocities inherent in the gender feminists’ fascist laws. It is not just the men who are speaking out now. It is the men, their male associates, their mothers, their daughters, their sisters, their grandmothers, their 2nd wives, etc. What are they saying behind that vituperative outburst we are presently seeing on the internet? I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! (Not just in the area of rape, but in domestic violence, child custody, paternity fraud, divorce, visitation, all false accusations, child abuse, etc.) Politicians would be wise to get the feces out of their ears.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 29, @10:57PM EST (#22)
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http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-e/charalambous/ 03/charalambous072903.htm
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Here is an excellent article entitled, Rape Shield Laws and Feminist Jurisprudence.
It goes hand in hand with what is being said above, and througout this whole posting.
If the link doesn't work you will find the story posted at MND, Men's News Daily.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 30, @09:32PM EST (#28)
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http://ncfm-dc.org/WhyWomenLieAboutRape.htm
Here is a link to NCFM-DC. They do an interesting and well done little take on the on what might be the motives for a female making a false accusation of rape. #1 would be my guess for K.F., since she recently broke up with her boyfriend, and since it is the most common reason women falsely accuse rape.
I never cease to be amazed at how frequently and abusively they use this motive to abuse men. Clearly their needs to be a FALSE ACCUSATION SHIELD LAW for men.
I like the catchy ring of FALSE ACCUSATION SHIELD so much, that I think men should develope a strategy for preventing women from lying about rape and trademark it. Jerry Lee Lewis used to take his picture with groupies before jumping into the sack to help protect him from false accusations.
Clearly men need a strategy and in future posts we should talk about this and other ways to protect ourselves from the lies of females, since they do it to men so much and so destructively.
Ray
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