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I support Tom Leykis FULLY. In fact, I damn and condemn all the cowardly newsorganizations that toady to the pheminazis who refuse to make the name known.
One of my earliest things I was taught is that if you can't face someone in the open and make your accusation in front of God and everyone, then you must be lying. (This was taught, also, by a staunchly feminist teacher.)
Gee one set of rules for women, one for men. No, we've never seen this before, have we?
Look, either rape is sex or violence. If it is violence, then there is no shame attached. Period. No more that when I got robbed at gunpoint - someone uses force to make you do something you don't want to do. Stop treating it as a dirtry little secret that needs be hidden, and it will stop being one. Will there be pain. Yes. Suck it up. Deal with it, for future generations. Grow a pair, ladies.
Second - an anonymous accusation brings to mind certain words - Star Chamber. Inquisition. Witch Hunt. Gestapo. See a pattern? Make your accusation in the open, in the light of day, so all can see the truth - or shut the fuck up.
Third - if Kobe is innocent, Katelyn Kristine Faber should be hounded, subject to ridicule, prosecuted, and branded on her forhead with the word "LIAR" in great, big, quivering capital letters.
Okay, so it would up being a buck and sixteen.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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Hey Gonzo,
I've noticed a lot of men's activists spelling feminazi with a "ph" in front, but I've never seen any explanation for it. In another forum I know a feminincompoop who substitutes ph for f as an attempt to link the words phallus and fallacy, (she writes phallacy). What's the masculist reason for doing it?
Thanks,
Hombre
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Pheminism = PHony fEMINISM.
The PC newspeak is that "feminists" are really egalitarians, just looking for a level playing field, etc, etc, and so on and so forth, yadda yadda yadda.
It's fake. They want a better deal at the expense of men. So it's phony.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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As a journalist, I must point out several errors in your assertions.
The press is free to print or to not print the name of the accuser. She is not anonymous in the eyes of the court. Her name is simply not printed in the papers, who have their own bottom lines to think of.
This is a press freedom issue and a capitalism issue. Don't like it? Well, they're a private enterprise that chooses to operate a business in its interest.
Also, you are illogical if you think that a teenage girl is automatically lying simply because she chooses not to broadcast her name and face on the ten o'clock news.
In any case, the choice is with the papers and tv stations.
Funny how all the men are innocent, but you look for moral loopholes that will justify your calling the accuser a liar.
Taking any sort of a stand on this, if you weren't there, is irrational and only has a place in an authoritarian society.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 13, @12:18PM EST (#16)
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This isn't an issue of capitalism or left/right politics. If the media has a right to plaster Kobe's name all over while hiding the accuser's name, people have a right to speak out about the hypocrisy of it and to applaud those media outlets who do release the accuser's name. That's what you see here.
---"Funny how all the men are innocent, but you look for moral loopholes that will justify your calling the accuser a liar."---
Funny how you (like a typical feminist) use straw-man misrepresentations to get your point across. People here are not saying all men are innocent. They're saying accused men shouldn't be presumed guilty with their names plastered all over the media while the accusing women get chivalrous media protection.
Marc
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Rather than use the harsh masculine methods of logic and deduction masculists are famous for, I've decided to compromise this time and just go ahead and try using the feminist "natural" "ancient wisdom" "mother earth" methods of determining truth.
First, let's just relax, clear my mind, breath deeply, *gasp*, now let's try to focus our "psychic energies" on the accuser by chanting her name and see if we can get any indication as to whether or not she made it up.
Kaaaaaattttteeee Faaaaabbber,
Kaaaaaaaattttteeee Faaaaabbbeeeerrrr,
Kate Faber,
Kate Faber
Kate Faber Kate Faber Kate FaberKate FaberKate Fabrikate Fabricate Fabricate....
Hmmm, maybe there's something to these methods of "reasoning" after all :)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday July 26, @11:45PM EST (#12)
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MAY THE GODDESS BLESS! :P
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I've been following this story since the man was first accused. The DA made an announcement that they had made a decision, which would be announced the next day at 5:00pm. The only possible purpose for announcing a prime time announcement is to get as much media attention as possible. They could have easily made a simple press release as soon as they decided to prosecute, rather than drumming up media coverage for the DA.
What I think is that this is as much about the DA wanting to take on a Famous Male Celebrity as it is a search for justice.
Now if Kobe's name can be drug through the mud while he's losing millions in endorcements, why is it such a horrible thing to name his accuser?
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by Anonymous User on Friday July 25, @11:48PM EST (#5)
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Secret accusations are tools of fascist regimes. The media shows its anti-male bias by reporting Bryant's name but not the name of his accuser. Either hold off and report what a jury actually finds in the case, or report in a even way the details of who is alleging what against whom.
Given the harm a false allegation of rape or sexual assault can inflict on a man, men need to know who is making such allegations.
Stop the media rape of men!!!
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A caller today on Leykis' show said that a couple studies had been done and both turned up a rate of false accusations (regarding rape) of around 60%. One was for military women, the other was for civilians. Leykis put the man on hold and told him to provide his information to Dino (the call screener) because he had to go on break, but said he was interested in investigating this for himself.
Can anyone corroborate this? It seems pretty bad. I'd like to see some authentic sources.
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I have only skimmed over these links, but it looks like about half of rape allegations just don't hold enough evidence to prosecute, and never proceed to trial. The FBI uniform crime stats figure is only 15-20% false allegations. At any rate, it's good reading and refutes the feminist claim that only 2% of rape accusations are false.
Yeah, yeah, we know, women can do no wrong an all men are evil.....la de bloody da....
http://digillure.com/men/amen_rapelies.html
http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/adult.htm l
http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/refbrownm .html
Also note Susan Brownmiller's pathetic little "refutation" at the bottom of the page of the third link. What a joke!
Freebird
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Yes, it's all spelled out with crystal clarity in Warren Farrell's "Myth of Male Power". Go straight to the chapter "The Politics of Rape". Both the civilian and military studies are covered, along with other information about how rape is used as a political tool. Included are great references to original studies. Mind blowing.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 13, @12:06PM EST (#15)
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Warren Farrell provides the sources for this in The Myth of Male Power. The source of the military study showing 60% is: Charles P. Mc
Dowell, Ph.D., M.P.A., M.L.S., "False Allegations," Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11, no. 4, December 1985, p. 65. This is a publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Washington, D.C.
Marc
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by Anonymous User on Saturday July 26, @11:59AM EST (#8)
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I'm not the biggest fan of Tom Leykis, quite honestly, I think the same men who (rightly)complain about misandry would be saying that Tom propagates mysogyny if they were a woman. He jokes that women are sperm depositorys, I don't like it when women expect men to be a pocket book, so I'd be a hypocrite to expect women to like being seen as sperm depositorys. But at the same time I believe a lot of this comes from the fact that men have been relentlessly been made into rapists and child molestors and just plain old over sexed monsters by quite a bit of feminists.
I have been listening to Tom this last week and I'm glad he is showing the hypocrisy. I believe there is much more of a stigma to be a male accused of rape than the stigma associated with being raped. You are still seen as a rapist even if you've been declared innocent. So If we are going to protect the "alleged" victim we should also protect the "alleged" rapist, seeing how there is a stigma for both sides.
Feminists say that there is a stigma for rape victims--and there is--but there is also an even bigger stigma for male rape victims and male victims of child molestation. They are not only seen as wimps or "fags" but even worse, they are seen as potential rapists and child molestors. So in essence male victims are blamed for their victimization and are then feared by society, and this stigma or myth is drentched in our society.
p. george
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by Anonymous User on Saturday July 26, @12:04PM EST (#9)
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oh yeah, I forgot to mention the fact that society,feminists,men,women ignore the plight of male victims of sexual assault/abuse. They are basically second class victims in this area and then of course, like I said above, they are the feared and blamed for their victimization.
p. george
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by Anonymous User on Saturday July 26, @12:16PM EST (#10)
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I also forgot to say that Tom Leykis was accused of rape by a woman who made false allegations. He was found innocent. So this is quite possibly why he's making a big thing out of this, not to mention ratings and publicity.
I used to listen to him years ago when he had a different format. I think his show used to be a little more intelligent.
p. george
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