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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/magazine/16MALE. html
The other thread where we were 'discussing' the average age at death disparity between men and women has moved off the main page so I wanted to post some statistics here. This article sums up many of the health issues facing men.
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Yeah, I saw this.
It's another, typical, New York Times attempt to denigrate males. Funny they mention that boys die more often from so-called Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. I've read that a number of cases of SIDS are being reopened because suspicions have recently arisen that it's a cover for the murder, most often by the mother, of a child.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday March 18, @05:32PM EST (#4)
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> I've read that a number of cases of SIDS are being reopened because suspicions have recently arisen that it's a cover for the murder, most often by the mother, of a child.
Yes. It's called the Munchausen syndrom, and in France also, there have been information in the media about this one lately. Mothers account for 95% of the murderers, and both baby boys and baby girls are concerned.
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Where are the cites for this accusation about SIDS and mothers?
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Where are the cites for this accusation about SIDS and mothers?
I can't remember. Believe me, I wish I could.
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The SIDS business should surprise no one, however. Given that fact that so many women make a religion (feminism) of female self-worship and fascist hatred against all men and little boys, it would be surprising if there weren't a lot of feminist women murdering their infant sons. It would also be surprising if society in general and the courts in particular weren't letting women off easy if not completely.
I've even had two feminists on separate occasions tell me that, if they were pregnant and found they were carrying a boy, they'd have an abortion.
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Regarding murder by SIDS:
I haven't read this, but I just found it with a quick search.
I also found this.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday March 19, @04:32AM EST (#10)
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> it would be surprising if there weren't a lot of feminist women murdering their infant sons
No. As far as the Munchausen Syndrom is concerned, both baby boys and baby girls are murdered by their mothers.
Rage
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As far as the Munchausen Syndrom is concerned, both baby boys and baby girls are murdered by their mothers.
I'm sure they're killing both boys and girls, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're murdering more boys than girls.
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It would also be surprising if society in general and the courts in particular weren't letting women off easy if not completely.
There's an organisation here in the UK called Justice For Women which has recently called for all women in prison for murdering their husbands/boyfriends to be freed on the presumption that they were victims of DV.
On the subject of health, as with all gender issues things only become 'complex' when they deviate from the woman=victim/man=abuser template. So, men's health issues are nothing to do with discrimination at all but instead are due to risk-taking behaviour, or 'natural' tendencies to certain diseases, and we have to mess around with statistics to show that the glittering prize of discrimination isn't the problem. Women's health issues, on the other hand, are always due to discrimination - oh those horrible, evil men! So here in the UK we spend eight times as much money on women's healthcare (not including maternity-related care) compared to men's healthcare, but there's no 'issue' of discrimination!
On the subject of the disparity between the lifespans of men and women, a recent report showed women outlive men in all but one country. The United Nations' response to this was to declare that anywhere where women aren't outliving men should be seen as evidence of discrimination against women.
Feminism is such a pile of bullshit. Let's kill all these fuckers and laugh about it over a few beers.
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SIDS can be difficult to evaluate. When the baby dies, the blood pools very quickly and looks much like bruising. As I understand it, autopsies of infants can be misleading as well. Nor are mothers the only ones suspect - fathers have been more often suspected of abuse than mothers.
SIDS is real. Not all infant deaths are the product of abuse, by any means. OTOH, I have heard that there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that abuse is a factor in infant death more often than previously supposed. Some portion of infants have been murdered by their caregiver, and given the increasing tendency to force fathers from their children, the only available caregiver is more and more often the mother. Therefore, more and more often the suspected (or actual) murderess will be the mother.
That said - finding your baby dead is more terrible than most might imagine. Being interrogated as a suspect for the murder of your baby while that baby's body is still cooling in your arms is ... worse. Much worse. Don't rush to judgement.
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Don't rush to judgement.
I haven't seen anyone here rush to judgement. The facts are:
1. Munchhausen Syndrome by proxy is found most often among females;
2. Cases previously thought to be SIDS are being reexamined.
The first article to which I linked pointed out the fact that "Thomas Truman, M.D., of Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, and another by David Southall, M.D., of City General Hospital in Stoke-on-Trent, England... conclude that up to 10 percent of SIDS deaths are actually infanticides, rather than the 2 to 5 percent previously believed to be the case."
In the second article, to which I linked (and which ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on September 9, 1997), the editor of Pediatrics, Dr. Jerold Lucey, is quoted as saying, "the weight of the evidence is that it (SIDS) doesn't run in families. SIDS is a terrible, tragic disease than can occur once in a family. But if it occurs twice, it should be investigated."
There's no question that finding one's child dead is one of the worst things that could happen to a person. There's also no question that SIDS could be used as a cover for murder.
The second article also quotes Dr. Thomas Truman as saying, "I don't have anything to prove that a single case was Munchausen by proxy. But I hope my research shows that it hasn't been adequately considered in the past, and that it hopefully brings some cases to light.
"At the same time, we don't want the pendulum to swing too far the other way and incite a bunch of unnecessary witch hunts."
As for fathers being more often suspected of abuse than mothers, women are not held to the same level of personal responsibility as men. It could be that if suspicion might be directed toward a mother, it's more likely that SIDS would be given as an explanation of a child's death.
No one should rush to judgement. That's obvious. But we also should stop making excuses for women. It's time women were held responsible for their actions to the same extent as men.
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fathers have been more often suspected of abuse than mothers.
Are you sure of this? I don't have a citation or link handy, but I seem to remember Warren Farrell pointing out that a child is safest with its father.
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Well, personal experience and anecdotal evidence. No stats or studies that I know of. There is a difference between being suspected and being guilty, as you know. AFAIK, children are safer with their natural fathers. All the data I have found indicates that.
When my daughter died of SIDS, I was questioned by the police at the scene, with my daughter's body in my arms, and considered a suspect for a time. Very informal, just "don't leave town" sort of thing. I got curious and inquired of other parents whose children had died of SIDS, and was told that when the police had any questions, fathers were questioned as suspects more often than mothers. In one case, the father had been jailed and held, unable to even attend his child's funeral, and later exonerated.
I don't know if that is still the case, especially since the father is not allowed to be in the picture so often. Nor do I know how common it was/is - as I say, just anecdotal evidence, gathered 25 years ago.
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When my daughter died of SIDS
My heart goes out to you.
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Thank you for your kind thoughts, Thomas. They are appreciated. I guess I have a bit of bias on the topic of SIDS deaths and accusations of abuse. Sorry if I got rude.
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fathers have been more often suspected of abuse than mothers.
Are you sure of this? I don't have a citation or link handy, but I seem to remember Warren Farrell pointing out that a child is safest with its father.
And Farrell is absolutely right. What happens though, is that the brainwashed-by-the-pheminazis Police will generally make a beeline for a father, if present, even if there is no evidence to indicate he had anything to do with it. He's a man, ergo, he's a beast, and thus MUST have had something to do with it.
And, as well, frequently if they can't find evidence, they will manufacture it, and if they can't do that, or other evidence comes up pointing to mom, they will close the case and get into a snit, muttering about how inconvenient due process is, and how another murderer has gotten away with it.
The system is NOT your friend. You can't trust them.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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I guess I have a bit of bias on the topic of SIDS deaths and accusations of abuse. Sorry if I got rude.
No problem, my friend. Considering how heated some discussions get on this board, our exchange was nothing.
You truly do have my sympathy for what you went through.
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There is a difference between being suspected and being guilty, as you know. AFAIK, children are safer with their natural fathers.
I understand and agree. It's not that fathers are guilty more often than mothers; it's that fathers are suspected more often than mothers.
In one case, the father had been jailed and held, unable to even attend his child's funeral, and later exonerated.
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but such anti-male evil is standard procedure. Someday feminists should be held accountable for their crimes against humanity. I pray that I live to see that day.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday March 18, @05:26PM EST (#3)
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If I may, can I ask you some questions ?
Is the Men's Health Week very well known in the US ? Do the people or the media speak about it a lot ? I live in France (but I'm not anti-American) so I have trouble realizing whether this event is really successful in your country or not.
Rage
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Is the Men's Health Week very well known in the US?
No.
Do the people or the media speak about it a lot?
No.
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As someone with feminist leanings you should be well used to 'discussing' things, Lorianne.
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