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Wiseman's previous work is pretty amazing. I hope he didn't get hoodwinked by the fems but it appears from the PBS page that he may have. It says that he was allowed "access" to a shelter and has filmed counseling sessions etc. You know what that means. You simply aren't going to get much of a counterpoint from filming a shelter. Hopefully Wiseman can see that there is more than one side to this monster but I am not counting on it. I am bracing myself for propaganda, big time.
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I heard an advert for the show on PBS on my way to work this morning. It was NOT encouraging. They brought out the "40% of married men are abusers" statistic, and then went on to talk about how men can learn to cope with their evil maleness.
If it's the Vancover study they're getting their 40% from (and I haven't heard too many studies with numbers that high), they neglected to mention that the same study found even MORE men being victems of DV than women.
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 17, @04:15PM EST (#3)
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I read an article on the film at salon.com, and I am not optimistic. The article used some questionable statistics without sources. It is almost hilarious, (sick actually), that we have to somehow guess the source by the number they use.
Just to clarify, we are 100% against domestic violence. Our point is that something needs to be done about the guilty-until-proven-innocent legal system, the false statistics that portray men as monsters, and the inhumane disregard for male victims.
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"I am bracing myself for propaganda, big time. "
I think this paragraph sums it up.
"Shot in Wiseman's trademark style of no narration, the compelling stories of domestic violence unfold and offer a unique insight into a tragic cycle that transcends boundaries of class, race, income level and age; affecting one in three U.S. women."
Typical tactic is to suppress the other side. Aren't you glad its women's month? Is there anyway to contact the PBS?
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You can write as follows:
PBS-Public Broadcasting Service
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314
Alternatively, you can simply log on to the PBS Website, http://www.pbs.org , and click on "feedback". If you want to call, the phone number at PBS is 703-739-5000.
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I gave them a call this afternoon and had a good conversation with a young woman who copied my concerns and said she would pass them on to the producers. We will see.
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 17, @05:07PM EST (#5)
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Everyone should check out this site, "http://www.ejfi.org/DV/dv-2.htm". I would assume that most of you already have. It's part of the "ejfi" site. The article is entitled "If Your Man Knew You Feared His Potential For Violence". I sent a copy of the article to my local PBS station in Tennessee. I'm not sure what good it will do, but it's worth a try. Perhaps others can do the same in their respective areas.
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 17, @08:40PM EST (#6)
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While PBS does, at times, air some reasonably good programing, it rarely falls on a side suporting men.
About 8, maybe 9 years ago, they did run a documentary about the exesses of feminism and even let Christina Hoff Summers(SP?) have her say.
The show even chronicled the toxic, anti-male atmosphere on many college campuses.
But I have not seen any such programing since then.
Will this DV documentary be propaganda?
We all know the most likely ansewer to that is; "Yes".
After all, it IS PBS.
Thundercloud.
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In fact, I have a copy of a video tape by PBS called "The War On Boys," similarly titled to the Sommers book. It seems quite well done, but I HAVE NOT seen it broadcast, ever. And with the propensity of PBS stations to wear their tapes thin, this is very unusual. So it must be deliberate.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday March 18, @01:47PM EST (#8)
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Frank.
I think we're talking about the same documentary.
I don't remember what it was called but I'm pretty sure they're one and the same.
And yeah, They did only air the documentary ONCE, that I know of.
And again I concur that it was likely never aired again deliberatly.
The reason(s) being that either PBS is too politcaly-correct or the feminists complained. And we all know what the rad-fems want the rad-fems get.
Frank, in the video that you have, is there a segment featured in which a group of female women's-studies students are following a single male student into the hall way and shouting at and threatening him because as the lone male in the class he dared to desent and call the female proffersor on her words and statistics?
If so, I am certain it is the same show I saw.
Thundercloud.
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TC,
You're right, I don't think we have teh same vidoe, and if I inferred that I thought we did, then I mislead you.
No, the one I have is fashioned after Sommers' book "The War Against Boys."
Frank
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday March 19, @01:27AM EST (#11)
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Ah.
Just wondering.
Thanks.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday March 19, @01:47AM EST (#12)
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...But as far as I could tell they did not once mention men as victims ov DV.
The stupid broadcast lasted like 3 hours!
I didn't see all of it. But I saw enough to be reasonably sure they weren't going to feature the other side of the issue.
Anyone else see it all the way through?
If so, if it is revealed that Male victims of spousal abuse was never mentioned, I for one, will not be suprised.
Does anyone also think that because male victims of DV have been getting at least a LITTLE more attention these days that this documentary was aired to try and stave off the truth to the public? and to try to drive the "only females are the victims of DV" stake in deeper?
I have my suspicions.
Just remember, that when only ONE side is presented, that is the side people will take.
Thundercloud.
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I saw maybe half of the Wiseman doscumentary on domestic violence so I can't make a definitive statement. However, I saw enough to make a few observations.
1) It opens by filming a older couple who have just had a fight. It shows the man being handcuffed and taken away. As he is being taken away he tells the officers he has done nothing wrong and asks why they believe his wife and not him. The officer says that they always believe the person who claims to be the victim of violence. Later the woman seems to say that all the man did to her was dunk her in their small backyard swimming pool. While being interviewed by the policeman the woman threatens to kill the man. Of course the policeman doesn't say anything about this assualtive behavior. In fact you see other examples during the show of women threatening the men involved with murder...and nothing is said. Everyone understands they are helpless victims. Duh. This was a couple that were obviously low income, poorly educated and living marginally. It was easy to feel badly for both yet it was obvious that the system was favoring her over him in a potent manner.
2) The theme of women as victims and men as perpetrators was hammered away constantly. There was one point where a staffer of the shelter was giving a tour to a group of blue haired ladies who were obvoiusly clueless about DV. She did say that they had treated men who were victims. I will give her that much. But then she went on to spout the tired old feminist lies about DV. I couldn't believe it. It was actually hilarious to see these aged women respond with disbelief as the woman claimed that one in three women were the victims of DV. A couple of the actually seemed to gasp and one asked if it hadn't increased lately. Her question seemed to be her way of saying "In my day it wasn't like that." The shelter woman responded that certain feminist organizatins claim it is actually one out of TWO women! 50%!! She went on to spout the disproven bullshit about the March of Dimes and DV causing birth defects. I can't believe that Wiseman allowed himself to be a lackey for these lies. It is truly disgusting. People will see this documentary and believe that crap. We have work to do.
Anyone else see any of this?
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday March 19, @02:18PM EST (#14)
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Come on, you goof-ball rad-fems.
If 50% of women were the victims of domestic violence, then logicaly every where one went in public one would see women with black eyes, broken noses, laserations, brusies, wearing arm casts or leg casts, on crutches and in various states of physical tauma.
Here where I live (Indiana) at least, I RARELY see females in ANY state of physical trauma.
I have seen MEN in the above mentioned states of physical condition, however. How many of these are due to domestic violence is any one's guess. But Women...? RARELY, if EVER.
No, if such a thing were true you would see evidence of it nearly EVERYWHERE!
The problem isn't that anyone is denieing that women are sometimes truely the victims of domestic violence.
The problem IS that way too many ARE denieing that men are, too.
Thundercloud.
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I watched the first segment again. The "victim" says that all he did was dunk her in the swimming pool. Now I don't want to defend this fellow, both he and the lady involved were of questionable integrity but the important point here is that there was a difference of opinion and the police automatically sided with her. Even after finding out that the man simply dunked her in the pool they still handcuffed the guy and carted him off to the police station. They spent a great deal of time listening to her side of the story and almost no time listening to him. She threatens to kill him and they say nothing. He says he is innocent and the police officer says "You need to learn your lesson and move in with somebody else if this stuff keeps happening all the time." What a contrast between the two.
This was all in the first 5 minutes of a looooong documentary.
I will get the exact quotes later of the women giving the tour.
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