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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 26, @02:29PM EST (#2)
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If they had done that to me, I think I would have done both of the following:
1) Turned around and beat the living shit out of them
2) Had them arrested for sexual assault
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 27, @03:17PM EST (#22)
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Don't do 1) until men regain the right of self-defense against women. As for 2), you might consider that so-called domestic violence "primary agressors" laws mean that there's a 95% chance that YOU would be arrested without any inquiry into the facts of the case. After all, police are "trained" to arrest men in a conflict between men and women.
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" After all, police are "trained" to arrest men in a conflict between men and women."
Is there not a way to fight this on some grounds of prejuduce?
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I was over at my mother's house on christmas and decided to flip through the Glamour magazine she had.
I came to a page that has some woman who just had her finger nails painted and was waiting for them to dry off. The joke is, this woman was going around to ask people for assitance on things , like tie her boot up or or the zipper on her sweater etc..
The constant comments were of that men only thought she was hitting on them, therefore meaning they were naturally less helpful as humans. Basically you get the idea. Take a look at the recent issue of Glamour to see it but this is what I call blatent propaganda which turns out anti-male etc.. In every case where gender was an issue it was the men that were lacking in some way. Either they were motivated by sex or just not as helpful for whatever reason.
This type of stuff reaches a lot of women who believe this type of stuff. This in turn motivates women to make or believe that certain laws are needed blah blah blah. The magazine is no doubt a leftist mag which may or may not have something to do with this type of propaganda tactics.
I may do a fuller piece on this.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 26, @03:47PM EST (#4)
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If this was a major network endorsing college age men pulling clothing off of unsuspecting women - it would be an outrage on a epic level, and all media outlets would immediatly chime in on how sexist men are and how socitey needs more 'protection' against such events...
feminism is sexism
CJ
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I didn't even bother to go look.
I had a pretty good idea of what I'd probably see if I did and in what calibur.
Judgeing from the responses I'm reading here today, I was right.
TC.
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 27, @07:03AM EST (#18)
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Not only that. Now that our glorious Home Secretary here in Britain, Mr Blunkett setting things up so all men accused of rape and sexual assault are guilty, those men who would take part in pulling down womens clothes in the street in front of the cameras would surely find themselves in Prison for a long time..
Red Kev
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Even if these men, soon after the attacks, agreed to release the perpetrators, they may still be able to take action in civil or criminal court. This is, of course, provided they weren't plants who agreed in advance to making the show.
If the men were unsuspecting victims, it would be good to see the perpetrators, and their accomplices at Oxygen, do some serious jail time.
Does anyone know how to download the video, so Oxygen can't take it offline and make it harder to obtain evidence?
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 26, @04:21PM EST (#7)
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Here is a direct link to the video in Real format. Copy the link to your clipboard (right-click on it and select Copy Shortcut). Paste it in a Web browser that does not have a plug-in to play that format. Most of them will either try to display it as text or ask you if you want to download the file to disk. If you choose download to disk, you should be prompted for a place to save it.
If someone has a better way to do this, please post it.
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Does anyone know how to download the video, so Oxygen can't take it offline and make it harder to obtain evidence?
I think I've got it.
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Does anyone know how to download the video, so Oxygen can't take it offline and make it harder to obtain evidence?
I think I've got it.
Damn. On second thought, I don't think I do have it. If anyone knows how to download the file, please let me know or do it yourself.
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About the clip itself - I've just downloaded a copy of the Strip And Run video. It's 1.49 MB. Email for a copy to menshour@menshour.com. It has audio but no video for the first few seconds, but is fine when the action starts. As it's media streaming you can't save it as a file. RealOnePlayer will only let you play it, but, for future reference, the only commercial product I've found that will capture it is Metaproducts.com Offline Explorer Pro (must be Pro version). I've downloaded it on a 30 day trial, but will probably buy it, altough I've got a support request in about the blank few seconds at the beginning of the clip.
If these guys are genuine and not a plant, then I'd love to see them sue. I think there's huge scope for guys to do that. There are plenty of "Women work harder than men" jokes on office walls. A clear case of sexual harassment. As long as the judges are shamed into applying equal standards, and not applying double standards, it doesn't look like whining and it gets the guys money. Of course, they run the risk of getting a troublemaker reputation, but maybe they can sue about that too. We could get a lot of guys on board, when they see the money to be had.
P.S. Anyone seen my Xmas message for men? Music too if you listen on Live365.
Raymond Cuttill
Men's Books / Men's Radio / Bracknell Home for stray cats, old computers and political incorrectness.
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Didn't MTV's Jackass have to withstand lawsuits? It occurs to me that this falls into the same classification
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Lawsuits might be effective but I think that the victims that file them would overwhelmingly be viewed by the public as whiners.
The videos might be more effectively used to publicly expose the hypocrisy of high profile feminists that endorse Oxygen. When an Oxygen endorser goes on TV wallowing in her/his self-righteousness about sexual harassment, exploitation, etc. against women, send the video to the networks and suggest that maybe there's a problem with this person's credibility.
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I feel I must agree. The better use of this clip would be to show the often touted double-standard, and how men aren't as thin skinned as women. It would throw light on how women use harmless events to push through their political agenda, and men don't make big issues over small things, they make issues over big issues.
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I don't consider this a small matter, though there are bigger issues.
This clip could certainly be shown to reveal the hypocrisy of those who support Oxygen. But these women stripped the men to the point where in some cases their asses and genitals were exposed in public places around other people. It doesn't do to say that, if these men take action, they are making a big issue over a small thing.
If they can, the victims should sue and contact the appropriate DA to request that criminal charges be brought against the perpetrators.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 26, @08:35PM EST (#15)
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Sent via their feedback address
If you were to feature scenes of men approaching women and with no warning or consent, pulling their trousers down, your staff would be likely to be charged with sexual assault.
These clips go beyond both humour and the law.
Alan Carr
Chairman
IMN
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The BEST way to take (lack of ) OXYGEN to task on this IS to find out whether or not these men WERE or WEREN'T in on the "joke".
If NOT, then what you are seeing IS indeed the crime of assault and battery takeing place, right before your eyes.
Well, the way the majority of women, these days, seem to think that ANY crime commited against a male by a female is perfectly okay, It is no suprise they figured they could get away with it.
Hmmm, I wonder why they may think that...? (sarcasam)
BTW. Anyone ever see the origional "GODZILLA" movie? You know, the one made around 1954?
Well, they killed Godzilla by useing something called an "OXYGEN-DESTROYER".
'be cool if we could throw one of those on "Oxygen"! Hmmm, Maybe if there IS a law suit, we can CALL it the ""OXYGEN-DESTROYER" case.".
Just a thought.
TC.
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As usual, so much is said, but nothing is done.
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It would be good to find the men, who were partially stripped, in the Strip and Run video and encourage them to take action. For starters, does anyone recognize the location where the video was shot?
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These women have a Jr. High School mentality. It doesn't say much for those who watch Oxygen.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 27, @12:33AM EST (#16)
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I watched all three. The skit with the pants was the worse, but it appears that the other two could also be criminally prosecuted. It appears that the people who set up these skits could be prosecuted as well.
One might assume that all of these people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of our zero tolerance laws, unless of course our legal system wants to prove for all to see beyond any doubt that police and judges are really nothing more than purveyors of double standards and hypocrisy, and that law is ultimately something no one should respect.
Whether or not the males were victims or part of the act, it appears that these females should be prosecuted, convicted, serve time, and then be required to register as sex offenders. It appears these crimes were done in public places, in front of minors, etc.
It seems apparent that a fair minded judge might say, "There must be zero tolerance for the double standard that says that women are "empowered" to commit these felonious sexual assaults. They must be made examples of, other wise the intergrity and credibility of all our written laws are of no more value than other forms of paper found in rolls in restrooms."
To the laymans eye it could appear that these women are not only a disgrace to their gender, but that they are also a disgrace to the human race.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 27, @01:01PM EST (#20)
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The more I think about it, the more I feel that no charges against "Oxygen" will stick.
After all it's "television for and by WOMEN".
And, as we all know, Women can do no WRONG. ...Espescialy when the DO...,
And since the crime is against MEN, then all the better, in the minds of our court-systems.
TC.
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I know your feelings on feminists, but here's one who actually asks the guys about being coerced into sex etc...
This woman is the one who challenged the data rape stats on date rape years ago. She also showed that as many men as women were being 'raped' under the same guidelines. She may be a feminist but much of her perspectives are for truth in scientific research. This woman's research might need further looking into.
http://www.psych.ukans.edu/faculty/charlene/Defaul t.htm
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http://www.psych.ukans.edu/faculty/charlene/Defaul t.htm
On that link, just make sure all the characters are together that way you'll get the page.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday December 28, @08:51AM EST (#27)
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Girls@oxygen.com
say something about this!
There is a MASSIVE double-standard at work with Girls Behaving Badly, can you spot it?
Answer- The VERY strong undercurrent of misandry in your programming. Men are laughed at, denigrated or demonized, receiving treatment that would never be acceptable if it were directed at women. If I were to go-around pulling-down random skirts, I doubt anyone would be laughing at my antics. Chances are, I would find myself in jail.
I guess its just so funny when men are denigrated because they are the only group whom you can make-fun of without getting much censure for it.
What group, male or female, wants to live with negative stereotyping? I dont approve of jokes which make fun of women, just to make the record straight.
Sure, one can say there are subtle anti-female messages spread hither and thither throughout pop culture, but your show is not exactly subtle about trying to demonstrate which gender is inherently less intelligent.
Perhaps you should rethink your assumptions about what, exactly, is funny.
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"Email the girls.."
Shouldn't that be 'Email the women'? Oh, I mean 'the Womyn.' No, wait, 'Email the PERSONS.'
No, that's not right.., It should be 'Email the Gyno-Americans.' No, No, That's not it. It should be...,
Aww, screw it...!
TC.
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Here's a bit of publicity for Oxygen from CNN.
Note the statement, "Oxygen now shows women yanking men's pants down to answer the 'boxers or briefs' question." Gee, is that what those females were doing? Perhaps CNN heard about our bit of a protest and decided to cause men more pain by giving Oxygen some free publicity. (Getting pleasure from causing pain is the very nature of evil.)
Another line from the article:
"There's nothing about 'Girls Behaving Badly' that conflicts with the network's mission, said Debby Bece, Oxygen's programming chief."
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I think "OXYGEN"'s problem is, they don't get enough of their name to their brains.
...Sorry, 'couldn't resist.
TC.
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by Anonymous User on Monday December 30, @05:08PM EST (#31)
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but this article makes it sound like the men who got their pants pulled down were in on the "joke." The paragraph I refer to is ays:
"Much of the humor is bawdy. The women found many men eager to "drop trou" to show their underwear. One setup involved an actress, supposedly shopping for a new chair, who asked strangers for help so she could see what it would be like sitting on it with her boyfriend."
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