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What a brilliant idea they had, now who did they get to pay for it? I know the men. So they dangle these chicks out on the corner, the cops come in and give the johns two choices 'jail' or 'a week with the gendernazis'. I bet now that its over jail would be the choice. The girls get free education and a trip to club med. So who exactly is it being exploited? The gender cops stopping all flow of sexual activity in a brothel near you.
I found it interesting that the have had a low repeat offender rate. In correlation to the first time offender rule, Im thinking something is wierd. Like I said double , triple and even quadrouple check anything that comes out of a feminist's yap.
Dan Lynch
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This practice is absolutely sickening and outrageous. What a waste of tax dollars too, just to make feminists happy. It needs to be countered by well-organized and furious activists.
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these kinds of things aren't even surprising anymore.
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The similarities between the tactics of these people and those of the brownshirts are remarkable.
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Well. Like the subject says, not every prostitute, call girl, sex worker, what have you, has been coerced into the sex trade.
But a lot have. Stop criminalizing the Johns, though. Other than that? It's a Good idea.
Women aren't better than men.
Men aren't better than women.
We're just different. Deal.
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For too long (and still continueing in most many places) it was only the prostitute who was criminally culpable under anti-prostitution laws.
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Actually Lorianne your quite wrong. In many places around the country (USA) men who are arrested for a crime (innocent until proven guilty right?!) faces and names are put on the news and or published in the paper. In addition in my city (portland OR) men who are arrested for this crime car's are impounded by law. The result is hundreds of dollars of personal cost reguardless of their guilt. This is in addition to any penalty imposed by the judicial system. The simple fact is men are being seen as criminals while women are seen as victims. The law in almost every state is that prostitution is illegal (I don't necessarily feel it should be though.) police are showing a bias by only arresting men and not arresting women who are obviously both committing a crime.
Tony
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Politics are playing it safe. Most prostitutes have nothing to lose really, the men do. And the DAs know it.
I am also for decriminalization of prostitution. Funny , the gendernazis are going out of their way to legalize it in China, but do nothing at home but criminalize men.
Ya whatever.
The only way to be rid of it is to make company with it.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Saturday June 29, @03:38AM EST (#9)
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Tony,
Hey, I live in Salem, OR. It is a great pleasure to finally meet an activist from my area. I thought I was the only one in Oregon! If you are ever interested in collaborating ideas or plans for writing letters to our senators, or any other related forms of activism, please let me know.
-hobbes
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If you're not mad, you're not paying attention
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I'm from Portland as well. Anyway, I disagree, prostitution is wrong. It shouldn't be legalized. Both the man and the woman shoul be punished, not just the "John's." And, is it just me or does it make anyone else made that they would make up a name like that for the guys? I'm glad my first name isn't John (my middle name isn't so lucky :-\) because I'd be outraged.
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Prostitution is already sad and pathetic enough as it is, why criminalize it?
You can blame them for the transmission of diseasse all you want, but education on it is whats going to really deal with that problem.
Secondly, by legalizing it, we give people the option to get out, or find a better life. Criminalizing it only makes people bitter and hateful towards the system.
But on the opposite side of the coin, I know a girl who was a "massage parlour girl", and after she was charged she plead to a minor and was given probation, maybe even a suspended sentence. Either way she's now with a loving boyfriend , has a new baby, and is looking at at different kind of life. I can not qualify for sure if it was the justice system or if it was her boyfriend that got her out of the business.
I think "slut" should be a good word myself, in such that women should not be shuned for liking or wanting sex or being sexy. Like calling Britney Spears a "slut" because she promotes sex or likes sex or whatever honestly who cares. Half our problem with the sexes is balancing a healthy attitude towards sex. Just like that one way sexual harrassement crap. Only men can sexually harrass? Talk about bs. We are called the "sexes" not the "one sex" and "the other", even if feminists forget this.
Prostitution exploits both sexes, it is a seperate entity exploiting sex itself. Men sell their bodies for sex all the time, we certainly hear more about the women selling themselves but the opposite happens, and infact it will happen more and more the more money women make.
Anyways, I am always opposed to sending people to jail if at all possible. My experience with jail is it is extremely violent and threatening, you are sending people to a place called "corrections". Funny how this place "corrections" is financially dependant upon your return. Repeat offender rates are very high. I am suggesting that these places do more to encourage your return then they do anything else, then release their "product" out into society, happily awaiting their return.
Ya, think about this.
Dan Lynch
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I have no problem at all with prostitution and criminalizing it is the stupidest thing we can do. It is a victimless crime unless it's forced and in many cases it's not. It's nobodies business to be regulating what consenting adults do behind closed doors. I know a man in New York with Celiac disease and he never would have had sex without his prostitute. They have an ongoing relationship and it's nobody's business at all to tell them they can't do it. We waste tons of money arresting and humiliating people for it when there are serious crimes going on all over the place. All that does is shove prostitutes and Johns/Janes into even more dangrous conditions, having to be mobile and hide from police. When we legalize or decriminalize it they form their own unions and work in safe conditions and learn about safe sex and it stays behind closed doors and can be regulated. Criminalizing it does the exact oppostie of they say they're trying to do. It's just plain stupid.
And they also go after Johns much more than they do Janes. An increasing number of women are offering male escorts money for sex. And there's a male-for-females prostitution ring in the Carribean, mostly for western women, but we don't hear much about that. The feminist hypocrits would probably applaud it. The whole idea is to attack males attack males attack males. The whole thing should be legalized and we should let people do whatever the hell they want behind closed doors and mind our own business about other people's sex lives.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday June 29, @07:38PM EST (#13)
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"The whole thing should be legalized and we should let people do whatever the hell they want behind closed doors and mind our own business about other people's sex lives."
I wholeheartedly agree.
IMO, if an act by one citizen does not violate the civil rights of another citizen, a crime has not been committed. Oh wait... then the morality/thought police wouldn't have anything to regulate [thick cynicism].
-hobbes
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If you're not mad, you're not paying attention
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FWIW I'm with Marc 100% on this.
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I'm for decriminalizing prostitution, as you are but I disagree with you on one point. Legalizing or decriminializing will NOT magically reduce the problems surrounding prostitition.
There will always be people having unsafe sex and getting into unsafe situations and being exploited by other people. Legalizing will likely help solve some problems but it is no magic bullet. Even in Nevada where prostitution is legal in some counties, there is still a problem with street prostitutes with no licence, unsafe, underage, exploitative pimps etc. Only the women in the legal brothels have a better sitations and are monitored for diseases. You'll still have an underground even if legal.
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I believe that most of the street prostitution in Nevada is in the city of Las Vegas, where prostitution is forbidden by local ordinance. In any case, you make a good point, but I certainly never said legalization would magically solve all problems.
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Tony, this is a relatively new thing, arresting the john stuff I mean. It is by no means the norm in the USA and historically it is extremely new. It's not right either way, like I said if it is illegal arrest both, but I think its important to keep things in historical and statistical perspective.
I'd prefer to see prostitution legal for adults and tough penalties for coercion and trafficking.
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Lorianne: Tony, this is a relatively new thing, arresting the john stuff I mean. It is by no means the norm in the USA and historically it is extremely new. It's not right either way, like I said if it is illegal arrest both, but I think its important to keep things in historical and statistical perspective.
Quite right. When pointing out an instance of men being treating shabbily at a certain place in the present, God forbid we should fail to bring up instances of women being treated shabbily in other places and in the past.
Unfortunately, I'm getting on in years and my memory isn't so good. Just why is this so important again?
I'd prefer to see prostitution legal for adults and tough penalties for coercion and trafficking.
Agreed. It will never happen, though. It's politically impossible. And... as long as there are election years, police will continue to have occasional spasms of locking up Johns or Janes or both.
It would seem possible, however, to get rid of this useless idiocy called a program and others of its ilk.
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Myself:It would seem possible, however, to get rid of this useless idiocy called a program and others of its ilk.
I guess I should be more specific. This is the part we could do without:
• Arrests of male customers ("Johns") and "John School," an educational program for first offenders that takes a real-world, confrontation-style look at the legal, health, and other risks and effects of prostitution. Administrative fees collected from the Johns fund the intervention services for women and girls.
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Ya I call it "legalized extortion". They know when they made it up that it was only a political play.
I talk openly about protitution, and I say what I believe. These gender feminists do the same thing all the time, they attack a man with accusations and destroy his reputation and of course go after his money.
I proudly defy them and thell them they ingnorant hypocrates and they have no proof really that it spreads disease any more than anything else. They want us to hold our heads in shame, and I won't do it. Don't let them have the power to "shame" you.
This is how these chicks were abusive in highschool to other kids, and now they are just making a career out of their abuse. They are sick individuals.
Dan Lynch
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"they have no proof really that it spreads disease any more than anything else."
I saw a great article disclosing the results of a study that demonstrated very conclusively that the prostitutes in legal brothels in Nevada are no more likely to have STDs than the general population (and I would say they're far LESS likely if you factor age and promiscuity). The study made it very clear that when they are educated about safe sex and practice it in safe environments they do not spread disease. It is the laws prohibiting prostitution that encourage disease-spreading forms of prostitution.
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"The study made it very clear that when they are educated about safe sex and practice it in safe environments they do not spread disease. It is the laws prohibiting prostitution that encourage disease-spreading forms of prostitution"
You learn how to deal with it and how to protect yourself. We all have defence mechinisms built into us. I would imagine that both parties would be very concerned about picking up something even more than usual.
I dont want to sound crude, but girls that I meet at bars intoxicated I tend to "chance it" a bit more. Not good , she could get pregnant or worse like an std.
With a prostitute there is no trust level, so you play according to the rules.
I actually wrote a book about the Red Light District in Amsterdam. I have had some experiance with it.
My feeling with the whole thing, and it may take generations before I could actually prove my theory, but I will briefly lay it out.....
Simply by living with prostitution by making company with it is the way to be rid of it. We have to learn about sex for money on a grand scale. If our hearts were made to love that the industry will disintegrate itself. We have always had opposition to prostitution in one way or another just let it go and see how it evolves. Criminalization is whats keeping it alive.
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Dan Lynch
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Would anyone be interested in helping me with an online support group for victims of institutional mental abuse I will start on Yahoo this week?
CONTACT THE MEDIA!
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