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"A house divided by its self cannot stand"
Another famous guy said that aswell, I really liked him too.
"As I began to search for answers of how this could happen, I discovered that the problem is not isolated to Montgomery County but is also a nationwide problem. "
I got to tell you Dan Scott, This isnt just national(USA), its international. This is in Australia, Canada, England, Scotland, Ireland, Dan its all over from continent to continent. We need large scale international support and networking to turn the tides.
I also really like Dan that you are also against other forms of bigotry.
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 06, @10:57PM EST (#3)
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I'm in Maryland.
If I can help, even though I am unmarried, and not a father, please let me know.
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"If I can help, even though I am unmarried, and not a father, please let me know."
You can Help.
Dan Lynch
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In what sense are fathers' rights in
opposition to civil rights? quite the
opposite, I think.
sd
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 06, @11:00PM EST (#4)
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An interesting tactic would be if someone could find a way to popularize the phrase "gender racism" in regards to our culture's and our legal system's institutionalized discrimination against men.
When you use the word "racism" people's hackles rise up and they will pay attention. So why not continually repeat the phrase "gender racism" to refer to discrimination against men until it sticks? (Of course, knowing the Feminists, they will hijack it and it will be used against us.)
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the term would be generism I think (it is late and the dictionary is kinda blurry) racism is a word that defines when race is a determinate for discrimination.
Sexism is the word we use now to define discrimination based on a peron's gender, but that term is becoming confusing. Due to the way sex and gender are becoming defined in the academic field. The word "sex" is used to refer to an individual's biological sex (XX,XY [note: I am ignoring the "Five sexes" critique on this since I feel the author is ignorant of biology and reproduction.]) which can not be changed. While gender is used to refer to the sociological representation of a sex which is much more varied across various cultures (and history).
Generism would be a new word that would be more appropriate in certain circumstances where a person is being discriminated against because of their perceived sex (ie. gender). An interesting term that I may coin in a paper one day but its current use would be just more cause more confusion for an already confusing topic to the layman .
Tony
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I would advise against trying to mix racism and sexism together. Many people find it insulting, and others will simply see it as one group trying to hijack the movement of another for its own gain.
This actually happened to a feminist group at UNH at the end of the semester. They put up a banner that included a John Lennon quote that said "woman is the nigger of the world" and it set off a firestorm. The multicultural student group was incensed and many people saw it as selfish for the women's group to "use" racism as a means of gaining sympathy for themselves.
Here is the TNH issue that dealt with the event. Letters poured in in later issues about it, too:
http://www.tnh.unh.edu/issues/051002/index.html
Scott
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by Anonymous User on Friday June 07, @03:06PM EST (#8)
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What I would like to see happen is a backlash forming on the N.O.W. organization itself. I see this group as being nothing but evil. In fact, I would go as far as labeling the N.O.W. organization as a 'Terrorist organization'. We all know this group loves to pressure, intimidate and persecute those who go against their interests. Judges, political officals and many are initmidated by this group. Their sole objective is to terrorize men. We need people to start coming together against this evil group that has done nothing but pit men against women and turned loving father's into second class citizens. I will start, "N.O.W. is a terrorist organization!"
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NOW="Nazi Organization of Women"
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That doesnt even cover half of what NOW has done, not just to men and fathers but society in general.
the letters n-o-w, are slowly becoming synonymous with i-r-a, and p-l-o, any others would be apreciated. k-k-k, s-s, . All those groups aim at one group of people, some with fanatical aspirations. If you want to demonize them, I suggest to stop calling then NOW as one work and use their acrynom of n-o-w, and constantly group them in with the other ones I mentioned. For example, "ya , that group n,o,w, is getting as bad as the kkk, or the ss, or i.r.a , I mean how long before they start bomb threatening judges if they dont rule in their favour, or have they all ready?"
Dissent does not mean trolling.
Dan Lynch
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If you want to demonize them, I suggest to stop calling then NOW as one work and use their acrynom of n-o-w
Dan, I love this idea. I think I'll adopt it immediately. Just as I, and many others, speak of "the KKK," and "the SS," and "the KGB," I will now speak of "the NOW." I do think, however, that I will still, sometimes, refer to them as "the Nazi Organization of Women." I think that, at times, that latter designation serves a productive function.
Thanks again for the great idea.
Words have great power.
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" that I will still, sometimes, refer to them as "the Nazi Organization of Women." I think that, at times, that latter designation serves a productive function"
Brilliant, and I would even take it one step further, to take out and seperate them from "women" something derogotory like Nazi,
LIke 'Nazi Organizatin of Wingnuts' try to stay clear of positive atributes such as now, as a whole word etc... n.o.w. = k.g.b. you got that right. When I personally cut up n.o.w. I I always try to influence people towards the iwf, these women are positive role models and give women real solutions towards the "wage gap" and why the wage gap exists etc... The iwf is conservative I understand and that may conflict with democrates, but I will say that n.o.w. has radically changed their arguements only after the iwf girls did the work and showed that it wasnt discrimination. Even though n.o.w. still made a discrimination spin off of it, they changed their arguement more in line with what the iwf was saying, but I dont think any medals will be handed out to soon.
I am pro-women and I think women are a great part of our lives (for some of us the greatest) we should be careful not to demonize them like so many of those misled Ms.ery cases have done to men. Many women have entrenched their stance on being labled a "feminist", we will have to deal with that, but it doesnt mean that we can't work with it. Hoff Sommers sais Feminism was stolen, I suggest we steal it back and give it to our girlfriends. Feminism should serve women, women shouldnt serve feminism. That means we will have to define "feminism" and sell our model to women without them knowing where it came from.
Im about empowering people, we dont have to fall into the trap of oppressing women to get our goals met, this means we will have to work harder then those femi-nasti's but our rewards will be greater than you can imagine.
When the expect us to be stealth we will seek the light, when they think we seak attention we will hide in cellars. When they think we are asleep we will be wide awake. When they think we are the enemy we will be their best friend.
We will be so far ahead of them we will be looking over their shoulders.
Dan Lynch
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I have not read Hoff Sommers books but I could not agree more that the term 'Feminism' has been stolen.
A look at the word and the interpretation of it's meaning:
"Feminism n. the policy, practice or advocacy
of political, economic and social equality for women"
And some discussion on it:
"A fundamental move for early feminism was to distinguish between sex and gender, where sex, male or female, is about physical differences between the sexes, while gender, masculine or feminine, is about characteristics of behavior, demeanor, or psychology which feminism wished to claim are culturally constructed and conditioned and so ultimately arbitrary. Since the moral and political program of "gender feminism" was essentially to abolish gender differences, so that men and women would end up living the same kinds of lives, doing the same kinds of things, and perhaps even looking pretty much the same in "unisex" grooming and clothing, it was important to distinguish between the class of cultural and alterable items, matters of gender, and the class of physical and unalterable items, matters of physical sex differences."
(from: http://www.friesian.com/feminism.htm#note-0)
But to me this means that the feminist movement is actually 'anti-feminism' (all things feminine).
The blur between what has evolved due to the limitations of sex and what is just constructs of society ie feminine/masculine is extremely difficult to disentangle. Femininity as defined above evolved out of what it was to be a female and was not an artificial construct of society. It would have naturally evolved as society evolves - but should it be stamped out?
I would like to rename the 'Feminist Movement' the 'Masculinist Movement' as it has demanded women should become more and more like men.
So who are the greatest advocates of the so-called feminist ideal (renamed masculinist ideal) as per the dictionary definition above?
This list!!!!!
So NOW has overstretched the dictionary meaning of the so-called 'feminist' movement as quoted above to create an inequality biased towards males but on male territory. This list seems to me to be insisting on a return to the original aim of the so-called feminist movement.
The battle of the Women's Liberation movement through the 60's and 70's wasn't it for sexual liberation through control over reproduction and to place women in the workforce?
Some more quotes:
They had jobs, but feminists weren't satisfied; every other woman had to get one too. So they opened fire on homemakers with a savagery that still echoes throughout our culture. A housewife is a "parasite," [Betty] Frieden writes; such women are "less than fully human" insofar as they "have never known a commitment to an idea."
- David Gelernter, Drawing Life, Surviving the Unabomber, Free Press, 1997, p. 95
Housewives, not men, were the prey in feminism's sights when Kate Millett decreed in 1969 that the family must go. Feminists do not speak for traditional women. Men cannot know this, however, unless we tell them how we feel about them, our children, and our role in the home. Men must understand that our feelings towards them and our children are derided by feminists and have earned us their enmity. Whether or not this understanding garners men's support, traditional women must defend ourselves because the feminist offensive is, most essentially, a breach of solidarity with us, a disavowel of the obligation to honor the Women's Pact [that religious celibates, professional women, and homemakers respect each other] that women in the movement owed to us.
F. Carolyn Graglia, Domestic Tranquility, A Brief Against Feminism, Spence Publishing Company, Dallas, 1998, p. 97
Are you against those ideals of the pill, abortion and women working? Or are you just asking to expand it so that men have 'equal' control over reproduction? And thereby complete the dictionary meaning of feminism's impact on society?
I would prefer to reclaim the word and call myself a feminist. I think men and women are different and we cannot be made the same.
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biased against men - not biased towards.
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I for one am really looking forward to the return of the feminine woman.
Dan Lynch
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"I would prefer to reclaim the word and call myself a feminist. I think men and women are different and we cannot be made the same."
Personally I think that only men can be 'feminists' otherwise the word is redundant.
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Saturday June 08, @12:52AM EST (#13)
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"Dan, I love this idea."
Me too. I do believe I will add it to my repertoire.
-hobbes
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