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The growing mountain of debt is similar to the arrears owed by absentee fathers who have more money and better jobs. It was created by men ignoring their responsibilities and, in many cases, hiding themselves and their income from child- support enforcement.
What a gross, smug moral justitification for a corrupt, unjust, and oppressive system. This is especially ironic to see in the NYT, that great champion of reproductive rights (for women). If the man just wanted to have sex, well, too bad. If the man faced an unplanned preganancy, then he should be ready to be legally compelled to pay 20-200% of his income for 18 years "because that's his responsibility". Wow, what idiocy.
But there is a fundamental difference, officials agree, between "deadbeat" and "dead broke" dads. Once caught, many poor absentee fathers simply cannot pay their monthly child-support orders, nor do they have a reasonable chance of paying their arrears.
Wrong. They are fundamental the same: they are both groups of men whose basic human dignity is being treated with contempt.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday February 03, @06:44PM EST (#2)
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Guy I worked with (he was in mgt) had to pay child support. About 8 months ago he was faced with a choice.. be laid off, probably find a job that pays less than what he had to pay for CS, get arrested and go to prison. OR, take a pay cut in the current company; a pay cut that would allow him to make just slightly over the CS payment amount. He took the pay cut..
Not sure how's he's doing nowadays (in an even worse economy), we've lost contact.
I think original CS $number was made with assumption that the cushy mgt. salary would always be there.
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Some people I work with who pay child support have a lesson for you too. Never work any occasional overtime, because once you do the courts will expect you to always be able to do it, and take a bit extra from your pay whether you can get the overtime or not.
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Wonder if this disconnet from the REAL world by the family courts is because they are STATE workers. I mean, they get the nice little 6% every year, and get promoted because their ass has occupied the chair the longest.
I suppose they expect corporate salaries to work in the same way.
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The fact this is handled by the courts at all is just simple stupidity at its most charitable level.
Can you say kangaroo court
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kangaroo court (kŕng´ge-rˇ´ kôrt) noun
1. A mock court set up in violation of established legal procedure.
2. A court characterized by dishonesty or incompetence.
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
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"2. A court characterized by dishonesty or incompetence."
I think that sums up our family court system.
How honest is it to declare that a man has to pay more than he has?
How competent is it?
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I for one won't be at all surprised to hear that this man also blows his head off on the courthouse steps like the fellow in California.
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Surely, you don't think that this guy would do this over child support, like someone does with the IRS...well maybe...
Emmanuel Matteer Jnr.
Emanslave@aol.com
******MASCULISM IS A BLACK MALE'S BEST FRIEND!!!******
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Are there no Jails?!!!!
Even if he does blow his head off, he still goes to jail!!!!!
He can bloody well rot there like all the other fathers!!!
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An keep building arrears there as well. I mean, just because the state has taken away your means of earning, does not mean that they will take away your resposibility for debts!
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I get $880.00 $CDN a month in disability payments. That is my sole source of income. The province of Ontario takes half of the untaxed portion and gives it to my exwife.
She even asked for a cost of living increase recently and they gave it to her. So she gets even more now.
I share a one room apartment with another person and can't afford a lawyer to get the thing changed.
She lives in my (our former) 4 bedroom fully detached house and she got basically everything of value from me like the rosewood dinning room suite the mini van ...
OH Canada, my home and rapine land....
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Donald, Please call me at 519-773-9644 We're collecting cases like yours for a class action suit.
Greg
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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It's sad to see a judicial system try to yank every cent out of dads pockets...even worse they often do this to systematically put the dad into the poorhouse!!! What they [the family courts] need to do is grant joint custody to both parents and abolish the child support system so that way, child custody will not be based on money, but on love and care for the child!
Emmanuel Matteer Jnr.
Emanslave@aol.com
******MASCULISM IS A BLACK MALE'S BEST FRIEND!!!******
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Why didn't he want to support his precious little son since he was born? It seems like he never paid anything towards his son's care.
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Maybe because he just didn't want to.
Maybe it is not what makes life livable for him.
I have no reputation to be concerned about. I have no career to lose. I have been broken beyond recovery. I really have nothing left to lose accept my life, and one day, in the not too distant future that will be gone also.
I turn 50 this year so the end of my life is a great deal closer to me now than my birth.
My daughter turned 16 recently; I have not seen her (other than on those "silent" occasions when I used to pick up my son who I no longer see either) since 1997. He turns 9 this year.
It is said that we do not reach the age of skepticism until we turn 30. So I may be quite old or simply long gone when she begins to doubt the things that she has been led to believe about me. Him I think I will never see again.
When a child makes false allegations of sexual abuse against the father and the police get involved and the word spreads, life is never the same again.
I just can't tell you how vulnerable you become. When a second child makes allegations against you also some time later, the world caves in around your head. I had an air tight alibi. The police detectives said I had taken intelligent precautions that saved my life - they actually expressed their gratitude. Those precautions were the source of much suffering for me and a great deal of sacrifice. But I suspected such allegations would be forth coming and said to those concerned that my suspicions were the reason I was taking the precautions I did. I left my marriage mid 1997, I never saw my son alone again after that, never, not once and for no period of time. You see I was given access to my son without supervision, six months after I left my marriage but declined the privilege. The allegations started coming a few months after that.
People don't look at you or treat you the same way ever again.
I live a life without children. I avoid them in the street, I do not talk to them so they cannot know the sound of my voice, I do not look at them so they can't know my face, I do not acknowledge their presence so they will ignore me. I do not attend functions where they are present, and I make no friends of people with children. I do not see my nieces and nephews; You see the next time an allegation is made, that will be third time - it is hard enough to "prove you are innocent" of any crime; it would be impossible to defend myself against any additional false allegations.
Sometimes my friend you HAVE to just walk away. At one time you could just go away and rebuild some kind of life for yourself maybe even contribute to your children's future indirectly with a modest little trust account. One that goes to them when life takes you mercifully beyond the time of the pain and loss and devastation. But there is little mercy in our society today. Should you pick the wrong partner it is now a mistake that could last a full working life.
There are many reasons that a man would just walk away. Lack of responsibility is not one of them.
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I live in city "A", Responsible Adult witness for the visitation lives in city "B" child lives in city "C".
Arrise 05:00 phone all parties to confrim availability of wintnesses and location of visit.
Eat, then drive 110 killometers to pick up witness, coffe couple of cigarettes, leave with witness drive 139 killomenters to City "C" pick up son by 07:00 drive 139 killometers back to city "B" spend day with son in company of adults witness
No activities that could cause bruises no activites that could cause abrasions or bumps. Any such marks on the boy would be construed as evedence of abuse that would mean a meeting with the childrens aid society and a missed visit. Visit ends, drive with witness 139 killometers back to city "C" return son to mother 18:30. Drive back to city "B" drop off witness. Drive 110 killometers back home to city "A".
This was a big imporvement over the intitial Supervised visits on Fiday evenings after work.
I would leave work early in City "A" and drive 110 killometers to city "B" to pick up a responsible adult witness then drive with the witness 139 killometers to city "C" to pick up my son. then the three of us would go a big McDonalds restaurant in City "C" that had a really nice inside play gound in it. He always wanted "french fries" and a diet coke like daddy drinks - the was what he wanted but he got milk - although as long as he drank all his milk he could take sipps out of my coke. Visit there for two hours. Then return my son to his mother then drive 139 killometers back to city "B" to drop off the witness and go drive 110 killometers back home.
That doesn't include all the diving directly to city "C" 95 killometers for court hearings and meetings with lawyers social workers CSA visits so they could video tape my playing with my son.
this went on from spetember to December, then partial visits in city "C" with an witness, then day long visits in city "B" with a witness for several months after that until the second shoe dropped (false allegations by my son against me) and all visits were canceled indefinitly.
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the total distance I drove for a one day visit was 776 killometers (482 miles).
For several months once a week
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