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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 20, @07:36PM EST (#1)
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Make no mistake, Madeleine Bunting is a hate monger, as she's written stuff like this before, you would be justified in flaming her to a well done crisp. Or disproving her in your own way.
It's your call people.
BTW Oliver James is the UK version of Will Pollack, a pseudo-scientist with far too much publicity for his own good.
Adam H
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I agree that its another of those misandrist articles trying to blame men and their supposed propensity to violence for all the evil in the world, but I don't see where she even hints that since men committed the acts of terrorism, other men should die fighting the killers?!?
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but I don't see where she even hints that since men committed the acts of terrorism, other men should die fighting the killers?!?
Seems pretty evident to me in this line from her column: This is reinforced by the impression that virtually all the people involved in handling this crisis are men. It is men who perpetrated this violence and men who organise the response.
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Hello (again) Nightmist,
I find it amusing how our perceptions of this article and the Times article seem to be complementarily opposed :-) To me, the line you pointed out is just a statement of fact. There's no 'should' or 'must', express or implied. I read it rather like a sort of (silly) complaint that women don't have any role at all in commenting, analyzing or actively responding to the terrorist attack, which seems to be the general stance of her article.
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I sent her this:
"Virtually the only female faces in the media at the moment are the victims; women are cast as passive."
Cast? As in, this very real act of terrorism is something created in a Hollywood studio?
Wake up and smell the coffee, dear--it is the men who are taking care of business right
now, and they are being reported in that way because that is what is happening. The days
when feminists could manipulate the media to reflect their ugly intentions is over. The
mass media has been forced to report only what they see and nothing else during this
time of international tragedy. The conditions do not allow time for anything else.
If you don't like the news as it happens, perhaps you should consider a career in the
field of fiction. I've written novels myself, and it's a wonderful escape from reality,
when the hard news becomes stressful. You can make your characters do anything at all
you want them to do; make them all female, if you like. I don't choose to do that
because I find men to be essential to society, and they're such interesting
characters--an asset to any book. Unfortunately, works of fiction differ from real life
in that they must make sense. Maybe you wouldn't be up to that.
Your suggestion that news can or should be manipulated is irresponsible and morally
reprehensible. The reporting of news in your country has a highly-respected,
centuries-long tradition. Surely there is a class you may attend somewhere to learn the
basic ethics of journalism, since you apparently missed that section."
TWS
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...dissect an event, attach statistical support that has been prepared from a partisan "female positive" and "male negative" perspective, and proceed to tell the world about it via supportive media outlets.
I think the media coverage has been great...especially because there hasn't been a lot of the "go girl" crap that the media has been force feeding it's viewers the past ten years.
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Oooo, nice one, Trudy. I sent her a shorter message simply asking her to clarify exactly what she was saying about men in that column. Her opinions seemed contradictory to me. On the one hand, she seems to indicate that men have pushed women into passive roles. On the other hand, she claims that women are more nurturing and passive human beings anyway. Which is it? Either way, she's insulting men (I pointed that out to her as well).
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Trudy, you are a godsend. I think women like yourself will eventually make the biggest difference. The nation's ear is open to the voices of women right now. Keep up the good work.
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I have just one question for idiots like this:
If, as we have been constantly told for at least as long as I can remember (50+ years), all the evil in the world comes from men, then seems to me it makes sense to ask: Where do men come from?
Hmmmm?
Answer this question honestly, and feminism falls apart. Sincerely examine the implications of the honest answer, and the whole vexed question of "gender" is clarified.
Andrew
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 21, @03:01PM EST (#10)
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Wars happen for one reason: The politicians who declare war NEVER FIGHT IT THEMSELVES. They sit safely behind a protected homefront while their underlings are sent to die. Notice that Osama Bin Laden was NOT on any of those planes. Of course not! He has NO intention of dying himself.
If the politicians, and terrorist leaders, who declared war were forced to fight it themselves, war would end tomorrow.
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