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UK: The Battle for Britain’s Masculinity

Submitted by anthony on Sat, 2009-01-31 19:41.

Article here. Excerpt:

'Last April, the Telegraph published the results of a survey that should have infuriated all self-respecting British. The study highlighted “the extent to which men have had to change within one or two generations.” It also revealed how emasculated British males have become.

Over half of the men polled thought that society was turning them into “waxed and coiffed metrosexuals.” Fifty-two percent said they had to live according to women’s rules. Men said they “felt handcuffed” by political correctness, and two thirds openly admitted that they felt they could not speak freely and had to conceal their opinions.
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“Manly men” have been “hunted to near-extinction in the British Isles,” says historian Neil Oliver. “There’s been some kind of politically correct revolution where we’ve forgotten—or discarded—the value of being manly men.”'

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This article is bullshit

Submitted by tom of covent garden on Sun, 2009-02-01 02:10.

Tom of Covent Garden

If you google Masculinity Index, you will find that British men score very highly on masculine gender role norm identity compared to other nations (only Japanese men are more blinkered). British men love boxing, and dog fighting, and binge drinking, and binge drugging, football tribalism and hooliganism, warmongering, arms dealing, and so on (as do British women).

I think it's important men's rights activists stick to the facts, by ignoring chivalrous conservative opinion pieces like this latest call to animalism, as there are real men's RIGHTS ISSUES to be tackled, men's 'manliness' or otherwise not one of them.

Remember, whenever anyone tells you to be a real man, it always involves doing something unpleasant and bad for one's health - just look at the things I mentioned we Brit men love to do, listed above.

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Amen!

Submitted by Hunchback on Sun, 2009-02-01 15:45.

Give this man a cigar.

The movement doesn't need more macho blandishments; it needs organization, inclusiveness, direction, numbers, and, of course, money.

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Men shouldn't have to pussy

Submitted by Broadsword on Tue, 2009-02-03 15:18.

Men shouldn't have to pussy foot around in regards to their opinions and behaviour. Boys in school are demonised if they engage in their masculine behaviours and are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.

It's amazing how the two posters above equate a dicussion about masculinity with the feminist biases of "macho" and "conservative". Feminism is responsible for harming mens rights if men feel they can't air their opinions publically how can you have a effective mens rights movement? Maybe the fact there isn't really one is because the only place men feel safe to air their opinion is on the internet. Most men are too scared to air their views or take a stand in public. So, maybe the mens movement could do with a bit more "macho" men. Then perhaps we wouldn't have such a large collection of armchair activists posting on websites and instead have groups of men that aren't afraid to fight for their rights in the public arena.

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Feminism isn't responsible for 'manly' men's stoic silence

Submitted by tom of covent garden on Thu, 2009-02-05 00:35.

Tom of Covent Garden

Traditionally, before feminism, men just kept their mouths shut. Men were said to be in control, with nothing to complain about - which meant they had to control themselves first and foremost, and shut the fuck up, working and paying for the housewhores and chldren - the fact women were ruling by proxy was not something 'manly' men could explain or complain about - but it is something the modern men's movement is addressing (some of us anyway).

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