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by Davidadelong on 03:20 PM March 1st, 2006 EST (#1)
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It sucks! Virtual visitation, come on! There is nothing that can replace time spent with your Children in PERSON, nothing! What a sick ploy to try and bribe People into accepting the seperation of the Children away from the Fathers. Why not just play a video game called let's play Dad? They ought to bring charges against Humanity on the People that thought of this! But, you know there are probably some Men that are working themselves to death to pay for their Children and ex wives that might agree, because when you are a wage slave your time isn't all that great! "It is a good day to die!"
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by klp on 03:54 PM March 1st, 2006 EST (#2)
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I recall Glenn Sacks writing a rather unfavorable column about virtual visitation.
The title says it all: No Virtue in Virtual Visitation.
On the other hand, virtual visitation is better (however marginally) than none at all.
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by Roy on 05:34 PM March 1st, 2006 EST (#3)
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I can totally envision this "Virtual Visitation" option being used to justify move-aways, 90% of which are sought by a divorced mom who has snagged another wallet.
Sacks has been very vocal in denouncing move-aways.
The usual "standard visitation schedule" in most states only provides the divorced father with every other week-end, maybe a week-day night, and a negotiated number of summer weeks.
If a vengeful ex-wife interferes with this schedule, the courts seldom act in any way to enforce the non-custodial dad's rights to see his children.
I recall reading that in 60% of divorces, after two years post-divorce, fathers have only "infrequent" contact with their kids.
That is what passes for fairness to a divorced dad in our feminazi courts, and that already amounts to making a dad "virtually disappear" from his children's daily lives.
I'm not against using web technology to keep in touch with your kids. But the legal jeopardy for dads is clear if this form of communication were to be seen as "equivalent" to face-to-face visitation.
I'm surprised that Jeffrey Leving, a prominent Chicago father's rights attorney and Glenn Sack's colleague, spoke favorably about making VV a normal part of divorce agreements.
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by SacredNaCl
(tbessR3m0Ve2SendNEIN[SPAM]@R3m0ve.2.sendAt.mail.ru)
on 10:49 AM March 3rd, 2006 EST (#5)
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I've used the web to keep in touch with my daughter in the past. MSN + a Web cam and mic is no substitute for being there, but I did learn things I wouldn't have otherwise. Its just another tool, and as such its a good thing.
The real problem here is the fundimental issue of unfairness with the courts, and if people here are going to be honest, that has far more to do with the reaction to this here than does anything else. I see it as something to ask for in addition to, but I can see situations where its going to be applied (and interfered with) as a substitute.
In my own situation, my daughter was 1500 miles away, and her mom interfered with visitation. I didn't need a court order, all I needed to do was find a way to let my daughter know I had a web account and we tried to route around her mother. It was at a point where her mother would tell me "Leia isn't home" when I called when I could hear her in the background. That put a stop to that for a little while. Its better than nothing, but it isn't a substitute.
I knew at that point going through the courts again would be a waste of time and money. They would say the same thing they did before. "You have a visitation order, she needs to allow it or there will be consequences" (meaning nothing). Several grand for that is no victory. I could easily see a court adding that to the order, or her making a malicious allegation and them cutting it to web cam, and that not being followed either. So its not like I don't understand the concerns. It isn't the technology, its the same frickin' brick wall issue we have been facing for too damn long. The court system is fundimentally broken, and does not consider the interest of fathers or children.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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by Radioactive on 05:33 AM March 3rd, 2006 EST (#4)
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Hello,
I have not read Glen Sacks take, but if it were me I would not be smiling at the idea of virtual visitation. The media must think that men are dense to accept such nonsense.
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