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by al_nbd on 06:35 AM February 25th, 2006 EST (#1)
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"The findings that women in this study were particularly vulnerable is a concern "
This clearly implies that if men were "particularly vulnerable in this study" - this would not be a concern.
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by al_nbd on 07:54 AM February 25th, 2006 EST (#3)
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Sorry, this post was intended for the previous topic.
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I saw the book and looked on amazon. The cover shows two men sitting closely face to face. This is about as wrong minded as you can get about men and therapy. We have known for years that men bond and feel safe being shoulder to shoulder. Think of all the places men become intimate with other men, fire and police departments, war, sports teams, etc. The theme is working shoulder to shoulder on an important event/project that is either dangerous or pressurized in some way. This is where men feel a certain sense of safety and this is where they will bond with each other in a profound manner. Force two men to site opposite one another face to face and you are throwing a man into a position that is not his natural place. Add to that the power differential between therapist and counselee and you got trouble. Everyone needs a place they feel some comfort in order to deal with issues that are tough. Just because women feel comfortable with a face to face model is no reason that men will also.
Once again it looks very much like they will be trying their best to thrust women's standards and women's ways of healing onto men and judging men based on how much they can mimic women! It's farking nuts.
SYG
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by Thundercloud on 01:14 PM February 25th, 2006 EST (#5)
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Yep. I agree, wholeheartedly.
It's the same old; All men have to do is become women and everything will be alright, B.S.
Gimme a break.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Davidadelong on 09:15 AM February 25th, 2006 EST (#4)
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Just by reading the synopses of the book I know what it is about. Masculinity and the community, hmm, just another ploy to try and further the slave mentality with Men. I have personaly helped quite a few Men in my short life. One of the main things that allowed these Men to listen to me was the fact that I had earned their respect as a Man. It just goes to show how desperate they are getting Folks! Just my opinion.........
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by Roy on 02:36 PM February 25th, 2006 EST (#6)
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This book should really be cataloged as a "marketing" scheme.
It's all about how shrinks can expand their practices by entrapping more men to buy into the psychology game.
I understand that currently 70% of all psychological counselors are women? (They will no doubt buy this book.)
Why would any rational man seek professional help from a woman psychologist who graduated from a feminist university program and subscribes to the increasingly misandrist APA guidelines and diagnostic criteria?
Better read this book first -- "House of Cards: Psychology and Psychotherapy Built on Myth,"
by Robyn Dawes.
(Amazon editorial review):
Dawes (social and decision sciences, Carnegie Mellon Univ.) presents a strong argument, based on empirical research, that psychotherapy is largely a shill game.
He argues that while studies have shown that empathetic therapy is often helpful to people in emotional distress, there is no evidence that licensed psychologists or psychiatrists are any better at performing therapy than minimally trained laypeople.
Nor are psychologists or psychiatrists any better at predicting future behavior than the average person--a disturbing conclusion when one contemplates the influence such "experts" have on the U.S. judicial system.
While other books have criticized the psychologizing of our society, none has been so sweeping or so convincingly argued."
There may be reasons why men resist the therapeutic industry while women endorse it wholeheartedly.
But that would lead me into a conspiracy theory that I cannot fully document with facts... ;-)
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by Davidadelong on 09:58 PM February 25th, 2006 EST (#7)
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I have been told that each and every Human Being can tell when they are hearing the truth, something having to do with instinct and perceptions that we used to be taught about until the advent of organized society. In so far as a conspiricy theory is concerned, if it is fact, it is no longer a theory.
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by Davidadelong on 10:55 PM February 25th, 2006 EST (#8)
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By the way Roy, I have had two years experience as a volenteer probation officer, with a glowing letter of recomendation from the director. I have a B.S. in psychology, and was accepted in the graduate program. I have myself gone through a "complete" psychoanylsis when I was a child, 12-14. I speak from experience, not from conjecture. I refused to sell out, and refused to play the game. Personaly I do know the difference between the truth, and bullshit. They could not have done what they have achieved without the support of the "system" period.
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by Roy on 01:08 PM February 26th, 2006 EST (#9)
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It would be good if you would write more about your experiences in the psychology arena, Davidadelong.
I'm still trying to figure out how much of it is B.S. and how much of it is "truth."
I tend to look at all these professional
"helpers" with a jaundiced eye ... there's just too much self-promotion and lack of verified outcomes for those they are helping.
What's the Woody Allen joke? "Next month, I've been seeing my therapist for 35 years, and if I'm not cured by next week I'm going to fire her?"
Though one of my best friends is a psychologist who is in the DV counseling trade. (He used to be in Willie Nelson's band... but had to find honest work.)
He will do a free comprehensive psyhological assessment on any girlfriend, fiancee, or prospective co-habiting female partner.
He has saved countless men's lives.
The "cupcakes" men have fallen for routinely test out as Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic, Histrionic, Passive-Aggressive, Anti-Social, Sociopathic... and worse.
(Look all these lovelies up in DSM-IV)
Once these guys read the profile of their presumed "soul-mates," they RUN AWAY.... very fast, and with a new insight into their foolish perceptions about women.
So I have some appreciation for the more honest circus barkers in the psyc trades.
If men are increasingly requiring a pre-nup, I believe it would be prudent to also require a pre-psyc.
Partners get tested for HIV, right?
So, why not get tested for being C-R-A-Z-Y?
I'd like to see the gender-based longitudinal study results in about 2010!
The Marriage Strike would be on hyperdrive if that could happen.
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by Davidadelong on 06:05 PM February 26th, 2006 EST (#10)
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I don't have to lie about myself in order to feel good about myself. If you are calling me a liar then that is different. That would mean that either you don't like some of the things I say, or you are jealous. Either way a personal attack in a situation such as this is somewhat suspect to begin with. If there would be a reason for me to prove anything to you I do have documentation that was earned. I do not espouse B.S. although I have earned the right to claim I have one in psychology. I also was accepted into the graduate program for counseling, but I declined. In so far as the dsm 4 is concerned, I have read the two previous ones. I do plan on reading the # 4, to learn more about the enemy.
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by Roy on 08:49 PM February 26th, 2006 EST (#11)
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I've re-read my post/reply and all I said was "it would be good if you could write more..."
That's because I learned from your earlier posts, and appreciated them; not because I wanted to in any way call into question your credibility.
Apparently, I'm going to have to install a new filter of some kind in my word-processor to ensure that my words do not come across as a personal sleight.
Obviously my brain does not perceive this dimension of suspicion very well.
Really, I just wanted to encourage you to write more, so that I could read more of your excellent narratives...
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by Davidadelong on 10:59 AM February 27th, 2006 EST (#12)
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Sorry for the misunderstanding Roy, I took umbrage at the comment that you were trying to discern how much was B.S. and how much was "Truth". If I took that the wrong way I am truly sorry. I hope you have a great day Sir!
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The American Psychological Assn. (APA) has published this book,