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by johnnyp on 05:11 PM October 11th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I sent a complement - I suggest you do the same:
TO: feedback@canada.com, vanservice@canwest.com, calgary@canwestinteractive.com, maritimes@canwestinteractive.com
CC: kkleiss@thejournal.canwest.com
Subject: Good article: Abuse against men ignored, by Kleiss
Thank you for publishing the truth. It is nice to see the whole story told for a change. The media and policy makers too often imply that only men are violent. Many feminist groups go as far as saying that all men are abusers, and all women are victims.
Keep up the good work!
Reference:
Abuse against men ignored
researcher: Just as likely as women to be battered
Karen Kleiss
The Edmonton Journal
October 9, 2005
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by Anonymous User on 06:08 PM October 11th, 2005 EST (#2)
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Dear Edmonton Journal,
Thank you for covering the important issue of male victims of domestic violence and the severe public neglect they face. ("Abuse against men ignored," 10/9). I am attorney in Los Angeles who has worked with male victims of domestic violence for years. Male victims are neglected here as well. In fact, California's Health & Safety Code Section 124250 provides funding for services to domestic violence victims, including hotel arrangements, housing and legal services, but completely excludes male victims from receiving the services because they are male. The statute does this by defining "domestic violence" so that only women can be victims. Consequently, male victims are literally shut out of vital services throughout the state of California except at one defiant state-funded shelter program in the remote desert community of Lancaster, California. That program, Valley Oasis, has helped male and female victims for over 10 years with no problems, but it had to fight to do so and has faced political mistreatment from directors of other domestic violence programs ever since. The situation is horrible for these men. And, as Archer's data shows, men and women are initiating domestic violence at the same rates, and about 38% of physically injured victims are men. Other studies prove that the violence by women is not in self defense, but that men and women are initiating the violence for the same reasons, most often to "get through to" their partners. We cannot possibly solve this problem until we are honest about it. Hopefully, your article will help steer the media in that direction. Thank you.
[Name, address, phone omitted from internet post]
SOURCES:
HEALTH & SAFETY CODE SECTIONS 124250 et seq.
www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=0708 605938+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
SELF-DEFENSE:
"It has often been claimed that the reason CTS studies have found as many women as men to be physically aggressive is because women are defending themselves against attack. A number of studies have addressed this issue and found that when asked, more women than men report initiating the attack. (Bland & Orn. 1986; DeMaris, 1992; Gryl & Bird. 1989. cited in Straus. 1997) or that the proportions are equivalent in the two sexes (Straus, 1997). Two large-scale studies found that a substantial proportion of both women and men report using physical aggression when the partner did not (Brush, 1990; Straus & Gelles, 1988). This evidence DOES not support the view that the CTS is only measuring women’s self-defense."
- John Archer, Ph.D., "Sex Differences in Aggression Between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review, Psychological Bulletin," Sept. 2000. v. 126, n. 5, p. 651, 664.
"[C]ontrary to the claim that women only hit in self-defense, we found that women were as likely to initiate the violence as were men. In order to correct for a possible bias in reporting, we reexamined our data looking only at the self-reports of women. The women reported similar rates of female-to-male violence compared to male-to-female, and women also reported they were as likely to initiate the violence as were men."
- Richard Gelles, Ph.D, "The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence; Male Victims," 1999, The Women's Quarterly, Re-published at www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html
In a survey of 1,000 college women at California State University (Long Beach), 30 percent of the women admitted having assaulted a male partner, and their most common reasons they gave were: (1) “my partner wasn’t listening to me,” (2) “my partner wasn’t being sensitive to my needs,” and (3) “I wished to gain my partner's attention.”
- Straus/Hoff, “Why Women Assault; College Women Who Initiate Assaults on their Male Partners and the Reasons Offered for Such Behavior,” 1997, Psychological Reports, 80, 583-590, www.batteredmen.com/fiebertg.htm.
This official government site of the County Sheriff of San Bernardina cites the Cal State Long Beach study in response to the self defense myth.
www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/sheriff/dvra/dom_viol_ facts_main.htm
A major study of domestic violence that asked about motives found men and women assault their partners not only at the same rates but also for the same reasons, most often “to get through to them,” while self-defense was one of the least common motives for both sexes.
- Carrado, “Aggression in British Heterosexual Relationships: A Descriptive Analysis, Aggressive Behavior,” 1996, 22: 401-415.)
Sarantakos, S., "Deconstructing self-defense in wife-to-husband violence," Journal of Men's Studies, A major study of domestic violence that asked about motives found men and women assault their partners not only at the same rates but also for the same reasons, most often “to get through to them,” while self-defense was one of the least common motives for both sexes.
Sommer, R. (1994). Male and female partner abuse: Testing a diathesis-stress model. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada. (The study was in two waves: the first was from 1989-1990 and included a random sample of 452 married or cohabiting women and 447 married or cohabiting men from Winnipeg, Canada; the second was from 1991-1992 and included 368 women and 369 men all of whom participated in the first wave. Subjects completed the CTS & other assessment instruments. 39.1% of women reported being physically aggressive (16.2% reporting having perpetrated severe violence) at some point in their relationship with their male partner. While 26.3% of men reported being physically aggressive (with 7.6% reporting perpetrating severe violence) at some point in their relationship with their female partner. Among the perpetrators of partner abuse, 34.8% of men and 40.1% of women reported observing their mothers hitting their fathers. Results indicate that 21% of "males' and 13% of females' partners required medical attention as a result of a partner abuse incident." Results also indicate that "10% of women and 15% of men perpetrated partner abuse in self defense.")
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As stated under the VAWA item a few days ago, I am currently pursuing the printing of the Dutton research "Abstract" in booklet form. For £800 it is possible to produce 5,000 copies of the 40 page A5 booklet, and, England will be showered with same . . What about your region ?
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by Anonymous User on 09:41 AM October 12th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Abuse against men is mostly trivialized and ignored despite severity. ANY Alleged abuse against women despite how trivial and a man becomes criminally accountable before the facts -as man hating advocates (who are part of the court system) advise the female how to attack a man using sexist hate laws as mandated by VAWA.
Real abuse, is much rarer than all the DV hysteria claims. Hospital records do not support the claims. So in MA (I assume in other states, countries as well) cops are MANDATED to bring very woman who claims abuse to the hospital for a free examination.
That bruise on your leg from banging it on a end table can become a nifty way of ruining a man's life...
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by A.J. on 10:11 AM October 12th, 2005 EST (#5)
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So in MA (I assume in other states, countries as well) cops are MANDATED to bring very woman who claims abuse to the hospital for a free examination.
Let me get this straight. The state provides financial incentives (medical services) to make DV accusations?
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by Anonymous User on 11:49 AM October 12th, 2005 EST (#6)
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by Uberganger on 07:27 AM October 13th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Aren't they also starting to threaten the careers of cops who arrest 'too many' women for DV? If more than 5% of a cop's arrests for the offence of DV are women, he can find himself facing some kind of Marxist-feminist accusation of bias, or some such shit. Feminists have always claimed that men make up only 5% of DV victims (and can thus be ignored on statistical grounds - what I like to call 'statistical morality'). All the real research, however, shows that men make up a much more significant proportion - up to 50%. Faced with the cognitive dissonance caused by this unwelcome fact, feminists are now doing what all Marxists do; that is, try to make reality fit their theory. This is why we have the 'primary aggressor rule', the sole purpose of which is to invert the roles of victim and abuser when the victim is a man and the abuser a woman ('battered woman syndrome' does the same thing in cases of premeditated murder). It's also why financial incentives and negative incentives, such as the ending of one's chosen career, are employed to try to make reality look like feminist beliefs. There are no limits to what these people will go to in order to preserve the beliefs that they are so strongly emotionally attached to - their sense of who they are hinges on these beliefs, so if those beliefs are invalid, they are too.
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by Anonymous User on 01:58 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#12)
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*sigh* Lord, what a mess this country is in...
"Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by neverdiplomatic on 03:55 PM December 6th, 2005 EST (#16)
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The stats likely support the 5% theory on DV victims for one reason and one reason only: not enough men report their abusive partners. Can't really blame them; being mocked and ridiculed because your woman pounds on you is disgusting. IMHO, male DV victims are 'real men' simply because they choose not to resort to violence to solve the problem. I wish something would be done about this, though. Society needs to take a good, hard look at this and realise that times are a'changing. Women DO abuse men. Just as men abuse women.
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by johnnyp on 09:00 AM October 13th, 2005 EST (#8)
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I wonder how many complements have been sent to the paper?
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by Anonymous User on 08:06 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#15)
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I'm certainly not going to criticize the (female) journalist for running this piece. It's important. It does really stick in my craw, though, that someone should be being complimented on doing something that should have been done long, long ago. (Image the response to men from large numbers of women for doing something right -- 'whaddya want a medal?'. Think male soldiers.)
DV against males is nowhere near a new discovery. It used to be common knowledge (circa 60's) amongst cops (published) that intervening in a domestic dispute was the last call you wanted to be on. Why? While subduing one of the combatants, the other would often attack from the rear. (Note: Items like VAWA have fixed this particular problem in a very Stalinesque way.)
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 AM October 13th, 2005 EST (#9)
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>>"You can't base public policy on half the data."
The article says.
How TRUE. But that is exactly what is done in Canada as well as America and Britain.
And the media forms public OPPINION on half of the data as well. (And not just on D.V. but a myriad of gender issues.)
Between the courts, Universities, the media, and Government we're gettin' screwed left and right.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by johnnyp on 12:38 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#10)
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public policey is based on the data that is presented and advocated - and only half is presented and advocated for - the feminist half
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by Anonymous User on 12:57 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#11)
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Feminist Utopia is not far off.
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by Anonymous User on 01:59 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#13)
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>>"Feminist Utopia is not far off."
Maybe.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by johnnyp on 03:49 PM October 13th, 2005 EST (#14)
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or the downfall that fallows all dreams of utopia
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johnnyp writes "