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by Anonymous User on 05:16 PM September 26th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I think it's only fair to commend RADAR for a valiant, tireless effort to put a spotlight on VAWA, to seek its defeat, to expose its dishonesty, and to do what so seldom occurs in this post-democratic society anymore ---
make a real good stink, for all the right reasons!
And, direct that stink intelligently at the real stinkers --- the feminist cabal inside the Beltway.
Everyone knows VAWA will pass.
RADAR's latest focus on how the grant money gets awarded, and who controls it, is commendable as well, because inclusive langauge is cheap unless there are mechanisms for compliance.
Sadly, there are none in the VAWA bills.
Which leads me to my point.
In addition to lobbying for the reasonable 36% funding distribution for men's services, there's another critical issue ---
VAWA 2005 needs to have language that compels a comprehensive assessment of the actual effects and supposed social benefits of the programs funded by VAWA.
At present, there is basically no coherent or consistent approach for answering a very simple question --- "Does any of this anti-DV stuff actually work?"
(And, critically, what criteria do we use when deciding? And, who decides?)
In other words, after ten years and nearly $10 + billion dollars authorized, there needs to be a national commission on family violence created to thoroughly review the efficacy of VAWA and our national policies on all matters loosely bundled under the "DV" umbrella.
And, the members of the commission should be a diverse spectrum of the most recognized social scientists, DV counselors, victim's advocates, feminists, men's rights spokesmen, law enforcement, and judicial experts.
In other words, it's time to put VAWA on trial, towards the goal of having actual accountabilty for how these billions are being spent.
(roy)
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by scudsucker on 07:49 PM September 26th, 2005 EST (#2)
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As I've pointed out before, Biden is hardly the only or even primary sponsor on this legislation. Try finding a piece of VAWA that Orrin Hatch didn't sponsor when he was chair of the judiciary committee. Even though Hatch is no longer the chair, he still supports the legislation, and now Arlen Specter, the current chair, is also a sponsor. The fact that you keep harping on Biden while ignoring Hatch and Specter wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Biden is a Democrat and the other two are Republicans, now would it?
Also Matt, I don't know if you got the memo, but Democrats are a distinct minority right now. For them to get anything done, they need considerable help from Republican senators and representatives. Wake up to reality and realize that pressure needs to be put on Republican politicians as well.
The last thing a flegling movement needs is a bunch of partisan hacks who can't keep their agendas seperate.
"...show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence" George W. Bush - Republican 2005
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by Anonymous User on 08:18 PM September 26th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Everyone on Cap Hill was the enemy the first time around and during re-auth. I could be wrong, but didn't VAWA pass something like 98-0 (or maybe 98-1 with perhaps Ron Paul being the one)?
Jeff / This is not Equality
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by Anonymous User on 02:35 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#9)
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....MR movement are simply incapable of criticizing Republicans who support feminist agendas....
That is correct, and that would be EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN that is supporting the Marxist-Feminist agenda.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 05:51 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#10)
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It's pretty clear that the male Demopublicans and Republicrats are all like-minded when it comes to the politics of gender "power and control."
They all have their balls displayed in mayonaise jars with lovely proclamations in the lobby of the National Organization for Women.
Lance Armstrong has 200% of the testosterone of any male member of Congress, and he's down to only one testicle.
The worst enemies of MRA's are not the rad-fems, but the male fellow-travellers who have been bought.
It's like a reverse pimp-whore formula, yes?
Electing more women to Congress is a totally unnecessary goal for N.O.W. at this point, because it's far more efficient to have the male castrados in the House and Senate do their bidding.
No wonder Joe Biden sings soprano....
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 04:45 AM October 1st, 2005 EST (#16)
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"So even if the Democratic party had never existed, the origional VAWA still would have passed by an overwhelming margin, and VAWA 2005 still would be sponsored by Specter and Hatch."
I seriously doubt that.
Don't forget NSDAP, the words from which the acronym NAZI comes, stands for "National Deutsche Socialist Party." Men would not be contending with this nightmare of a man-hating agenda we are facing if the democrats had not first shoved it down everybodies throats. Never forget it is all the little Hitler gender feminist who have created this mess, and they are all solidly democrats.
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by Anonymous User on 06:56 AM October 1st, 2005 EST (#17)
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"But for some unfathomable reason, many people in the MR movement are simply incapable of criticizing Republicans who support feminist agendas.
"...show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence" George W. Bush - Republican 2005"
Maybe it's because feminazi Democrat senators co-sponsered the violence against women act at a rate over 3 to 1. There were 11 Republican Senatorial co-sponsers for VAWA, but 36 Democrat cosponsers.
current cosponsers list
It's pretty clear VAWA would go away or be severely curtailed if the feminazi democrats would stop shoving "Biden's baby" down everbodies throats.
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by Anonymous User on 09:53 PM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#18)
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"What boggels the mind is how there are other movements mostly made up of conservatives that don't have any problem criticizing Republicans who work against the goals of the movement. When was the last time you heard of a pro-life group ignoring a pro-choice Republican. Or the last time you saw the NRA campaign for a Republican in favor of gun control. But for some unfathomable reason, many people in the MR movement are simply incapable of criticizing Republicans who support feminist agendas."
this "running to the right-wing" is the movement's biggest political problem, and is connected to a lot of the infighting, blacklisting, censorship, and cliques that exist amongst m.r.a.s
i hear m.r.a.s wanting to form an international "band of brothers" -- but the same guys just cannot let go of the right-wing rhetoric and blind-spot
there are a LOT of m.r.a.s who still cling to the Repubs, and the right-wing in general, despite overwhelming evidence that the right (in america, at least) is as anti-male as the left
when anybody points out the hypocrisy of the american right -- e.g., the spreading of women's "rights"/empowerment to other nations by Republican administrations, the support by Repubs of the VAWA, etc etc -- too many m.r.a.s try to silence the messenger, instead of facing the message, and doing the hard work of changing their minds and actions
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by kanute37
(kanute37@yahoo.com)
on 08:48 PM September 26th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Appreciate your comment, I have been thinking the same thing,but you put it a lot better than I could have,our politicians are all pussy whipped.
Republican or democrat both need to see the distructive thoughts of these radical feminists.
Roger
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by Anonymous User on 02:32 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#8)
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.... Arlen Specter, the current chair, is also a sponsor...
Specter!!!! Did you say Specter?!?!?! I hate that man after what I’ve heard from him in the last month.
That ass hole!
He constantly brought up his support of VAWA during the Robert's hearings. He constantly whined like a little baby that a significant portion of VAWA was ruled unconstitutional. He cried like a baby before Roberts because he could get enought male-hate law passed.
That guy is damn dangerous and a major fuck-up.
He is the epitome of male chauvinism gone wrong.
We should write Specter and fill his office with objections.
If possible then we should get one of his family members arrested under current VAWA laws so he can learn how it works.
If somebody knows one of his children then it is a mandatory 911 call no matter what.
And yes. Hatch is just as bad if not worse.
They don't give a damn about equal responsibility and protection under the law. For them it is all about giving women special rights because they have the almighty womb that they worship as if it were God. They literally worship the vagina.
They will do everything in their power to throw any falsely accused man in jail and to help the Marxist-Feminists destroy the family.
They have done more damage than most men alive to the family.
They are pure evil.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 01:48 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Honorable Joseph R. Biden:
VAWA now needs to add language that directs 36% of funds to go to programs that focus on serving male victims. That number comes from the National Violence Against Women Survey, which found that men constitute 36% of all DV victims.
Whenever Sen. Biden is challenged about VAWA's discriminatory effects, he misleadingly claims that the law has never denied services to men. Senator Biden hopes Americans won't notice that it denies funding to organizations, unless their primary focus is women. Only the traditional DV service providers can receive VAWA funds. Most of them provide little or no help to men, and some have even gone to court to defend their right to discriminate against male victims.
Please change VAWA so that it no longer discriminates against men. Battered men are human beings and American citizens too.
Sincerely,
XXX XXXX
(Vietnam Veteran & domestic violence victim)
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by Anonymous User on 01:49 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Now I'm going to try to get letters written for tomorrow and every day for the rest of this week.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 11:42 AM September 28th, 2005 EST (#12)
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September 28, 2005
Senator Joseph R. Biden
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Fax: (202) 224-0139
Honorable Joseph R. Biden:
VAWA needs to add language that directs 36% of funds to go to programs that focus on serving male victims of domestic violence. The National Violence Against Women Survey, found that men constitute 36% of all domestic violence victims.
Senator Biden, you say that VAWA is to be equitable and fair for men and women alike, but what good is it to say that you don’t discriminate against male victims, then funnel all the funds to the very groups who have always turned a cold shoulder to male domestic violence victims?
VAWA now needs to add language that directs 36% of funds to go to programs that focus on serving made d. v. victims. Battered men are human beings, taxpayers, and American citizens too.
Sincerely,
XXX XXXX
(Vietnam Veteran & domestic violence victim)
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by Anonymous User on 12:41 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#13)
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I Faxed, snail mailed, and emailed the same letter (with modification specific to the addressee in the body of the letter), to Senator Feinstein, and Senator Boxer.
Tomorrow, another day, another letter.
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by Anonymous User on 11:43 AM September 29th, 2005 EST (#14)
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9/26/2005
Fax: 202-224-0139
Dear Mr. Biden,
I respectfully request that you include language in the upcoming VAWA legislation hearings that does in fact support male victims of domestic violence. I am 51 years old and know of at least 10 couples where the woman denigrates the male and challenges him by hitting, shoving, pushing, and using demeaning language in front of their children. This is a clear attempt to incite violence.
The men do not respond because they are fearful of being thrown in jail, having a restraining order put in place, and losing his family and family home.
Currently, the language of VAWA and the TITLE are clearly sexist in nature and do more to shatter the American Family than to help restore order and repair it.
Please either revoke this legislation or amend it in such a way that it becomes gender nuetral.
Men and Women and Children are ALL VICTIMS of the current legislation.
Nothing has been more harmful to the American family than VAWA.
Please clean up your act and be more sensitive to gender equality issues.
Very Sincerely,
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by Anonymous User on 04:19 PM September 29th, 2005 EST (#15)
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I Faxed, snail mailed, and emailed this to all three of Sen. Biden's offices, and Faxed, snail mailed, and emailed this to Sen Boxer's and Sen. Feninstein's local and Washington offices.
Ray
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September 29, 2005
Senator Joseph R. Biden
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Fax: (202) 224-0139
Honorable Joseph R. Biden:
Provide 36% VAWA Funding for Programs Focusing on Male Victims of domestic violence.
I am not taken in by phony claims of gender neutrality. VAWA is not, and has not been, equitable and fair for men and women alike. What good is it to say that you don’t discriminate against male victims, then funnel all the funds to the very groups who have always turned a cold shoulder to male domestic violence victims?
VAWA now needs to add language that directs 36% of funds to go to programs that focus on serving male domestic violence victims. Battered men are human beings, taxpayers, and American citizens too.
As a teenager, my country (America) sent me to serve in the Vietnam War. Did I serve there just to be ignored and denigrated here? Why send so many men to the vast majority of all American combat, purposefully excluding females by law, then castigate only men for domestic violence in our society as VAWA does? It is the height of intolerance and injustice to abuse, falsely accuse and deny services to men as the domestic violence industry has done, and is still doing. History will not forget this hypocrisy, or those committing it.
Sincerely,
XXX XXXX (Vietnam Veteran & domestic violence victim)
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Senator Joseph Biden has long been the prime mover behind the Violence Against Women Act. He organized the first hearings in the early 1990s. He wrote the legislation and sponsored the bills. He did the arm-twisting. At the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings in July, Joseph Biden admitted, "this law is my baby."