An Underground Railroad For Men?

	posted by Matt on 05:35 PM September 7th, 2005
	Anonymous User writes "MisforMalevolent picks up on an article from the Western Standard - outlining an organization that provides safe passage from the subjugation of North America's Family Court Slave States - to offshore freedom. One father notes that he might as well enjoy not seeing his children from the UK, rather than not seeing them from a Canadian debtor's prison."

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Great to hear about it, but what if the story... (Score:1) by mcc99 on 05:52 PM September 7th, 2005 EST (#1) ... leads to the group's destruction? Sure the gubmint, UK, France, Canada, or US, will want to "put a stop to this evil!" Excerpt from the article... i hope you read the entire thing! "In his first Canadian interview ever, the man who heads up PAFE, "Jean Kelly," admits that even his own name is a pseudonym. A decade ago he was a New York City emergency room physician, when a friend of his, a Canadian doctor, approached him to help him find a way to reduce the suicide rates among divorced fathers, and to help his associates who found themselves unable to continue with their careers because they were consumed by custody, access and child-tax issues. Kelly happened to hear about a policy begun by the French government, seeking highly educated immigrants as part of its competitiveness policy. He immediately realized that the opportunity represented a way out for thousands of men who thought they had none. Today, Jean Kelly says he has four nationalities, and goes by two different names, and he and the colleagues he has helped are all in hiding. Over the past five years, he says, his organization, headquartered in Nice, France, has helped 4,700 divorced fathers from several countries to escape what they consider to be "illegal and inhumane" custody and access laws, by moving to Europe and changing their identities. Nearly 100,000 men, Kelly says, have fled from Great Britain and 137,000 from Australia. So far, he claims 1,000 Canadian men have gone into exile."

Too often overlooked (Score:1) by Gang-banged on 07:32 PM September 7th, 2005 EST (#2) (User #1714 Info) see the "link between the misandry of the courts and the suicide rate." Perhaps some impact might be made on other authorities if the above link were pursued more vigorously as a Health issue.

Re:Too often overlooked (Score:0) by Anonymous User on 08:53 AM September 8th, 2005 EST (#3) Don't hold you breath, pal. This is straight mens' health we're talking about. Have you seen the latest HHS budget for prostate cancer? Guess what...there's no such budget. All that research is privately funded. Male divorce-related suicide will be similarly ignored. The brain-drain and tax-revenue shortage will be more likely to get attention.

Good idea but hard to believe (Score:2) by Dittohd on 07:32 PM September 8th, 2005 EST (#4) I considered doing something like this for a while but I found it really hard to believe that there would be many men willing to move overseas and never come back to the U.S. or ever contact relatives again once gone in order to stay off the government radar. Plus, I didn't feel comfortable having to trust others not to give my name or contact information to the authorities if they were caught in order to lessen their prison sentences. They say that men can't be extradited because not paying child support isn't a criminal offense but that doesn't make sense either. Seems to me that disobeying a court order is a criminal offense and if it weren't, men couldn't be put in jail for it. I also find it really hard to believe the large numbers of men who are being helped by this organization according to the article. After all, how would all these men even find out about this organization if the organization is located in Italy, the people running the show have to remain anonymous, and don't have an advertising campaign. There's a lot that doesn't make sense to me but I sure would love getting into this type of business if I thought it was safe (or relatively safe) and I thought I could help a lot of men. I wonder if there's another, safer way to accomplish the same end result. Dittohd

Re:Good idea but hard to believe (Score:0) by Anonymous User on 11:17 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#5) I thought about this years ago, but found there was a 'tie up' between US and most foreign governments to actually pursue and enforce offshore child support. Most countries, with the exception of Costa Rica have an extradition agreement with the US. While they say that it is not a crime but a civil offense to not pay child support - if they find you they eventually put you in jail. Just like a criminal. Working a white collar job usually requires that you pay taxes, etc and are traceable. Thats the problem. To truley avoid the tracking of "the system" you have to give up any type of career you might have built.

Re:Good idea but hard to believe (Score:0) by Anonymous User on 11:36 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#6) Loompanics Unilimited http://www.loompanics.com has quite a few books on changing identity and working off the books. See if one of them has the info you're after. Amazon's user reviews are quite helpful for separating the wheat from the chaff.

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