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by TheMadNucleus on 10:57 PM August 7th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I've sent letters via email and fax to representatives, senators, and house commitee menmbers.
Just a note to let the Radar folks know I'm supporting Radar's alerts - hope everyone else is as well.
I keep a very close watch on www.mediaradar.org
Clearly - VAWA is an important crack in the wall for us and we have to capitalize on it if we can.
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by Anonymous User on 12:17 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#2)
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...for all the wrongs they have done to women, for centuries. Why don't you guys just get real and take your medicine like good little sub-human vermine?
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by Anonymous User on 01:21 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Well, one trivial indication that your movement is having an impact is the quality of resistance that you attract.
From the likes of this troll, I'd suggest we have a ways to go.
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by Anonymous User on 02:11 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#4)
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"...for all the wrongs they have done to women, for centuries. Why don't you guys just get real and take your medicine like good little sub-human vermine?"
Gender profiling of "all men" as having done wrong to women is a hate crime, and such a comment as the one above shows the hateful bigotry that men in Western society today have thrown in their faces.
Considering the high crime rate in the black community, any bigot could make a similar statement about black people, but politically correct hypocrites are much more attuned to racial profiling, than they are to gender profiling against men si those hypocrites would speak up about racial profiling. Why are the voices of those hypocrites silent about the vilification of all males?
The statement in quotes and italics at top is typical of the hateful bigotry taught in most women's studies programs across America, and points out the need to eliminate that tax-payer funded hate movement from every classroom on earth. That would be a good place to begin cleaning house of the scourge to humanity known as the Femi Klux Klan. That is the true vermin (spelled correctly) infesting our civilization today.
Ray
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by TheMadNucleus on 02:28 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I have three words for that rebuttle:
Clear, Concise, indisbutable.
Thanks Ray.
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by Anonymous User on 03:22 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Yeah.
Even I know how to spell "vermin". And I'm the worst speller in the world. "Vermine"...?
If you're going to insult us, at least get your terminology right.
Now as for the "ALL men must pay" attitude.
Are you White? If so, I guess, following your "logic" then ALL whites living today must pay for what some Whites did to American Indians in the past. What? NO? You weren't there to do those things so you can't be held accountable for those crimes? Well if that's what you're thinking, then I'd say; 'now your GETTING it.' But I doubt you're thinking that. That would take intelligent logic, something you feminmist VERMIN don't have, and never will.
You also seem to forget (convieniently) That some men ALREADY ARE victims of more oppression than any White woman has EVER suffered. My people (Amercan Indians) have been under the thumb of the "establishment" alot longer and alot worse than any White female, ever.
So don't go telling people like me that we must be held accountable for "men's crimes against women". What about White women's crimes against Indians? It is Historical fact that White women ALSO murdered Indians. USUALLY INDIAN MEN. White women shot at us, too. White women also got the vote long before Indians did. And when women got the vote they went along with the men of the time to impose very anti-Indian legislation and laws. So don't think you women are all innocent and pure when it comes to oppression, sister (I assume). because you AIN'T! You White women have nearly as much to ansewer for as the white men that oppressed us. Where is the voice of women when even today our lands are being taken from us? Where is the voice of women when it comes to the crimes committed by the B.I.A.? (in which there are a number of women involved) No where. That's where. I see white women doing the Tomahawk chop at the "BRAVES" games as much as the men (of all ethnicities) do it.
I have also found in my own private research that White women, in the workplace, are more likely than White men to make racial comments at Indians. Especialy to Indian MEN. That has also been my own expirience. I've heared both racial AND gender slurs from women in the places I have worked.
Also white women of means kept black people (women AND men) as slaves, too. So there you're just as guilty, again, as the people you accuse.
Maybe you should do what most feminists are too lazy to do. STUDY HISTORY...!
If you are going to hold "ALL men accontable for the "crimes" against women", then we Indians should hold ALL you white women accountable for the "crimes" you commited against us.
It's only fair...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:30 PM August 9th, 2005 EST (#9)
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Yes, Thundercloud. I am white.
But so what? what you are talking about is different.
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by Anonymous User on 01:06 PM August 10th, 2005 EST (#12)
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Yeah, It's always "different".
Okay Trollina, I know I'm a fool to ask; HOW is it "different"?
(this should be good)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:46 PM August 10th, 2005 EST (#13)
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"HOW is it "different"?"
Actually, it isn't at all. I confronted a lawyer who was the head of personnel at a college and asked him point blank, "if we said such and such about blacks or women that would be discrimination and/or harassment, right?" He answered, "right." I then nailed him by saying, "Then how come you have that hanging in the women's studies bulletin board with the topic being men?" "How is that okay?" HE hemmed and hahed around, then I said. "Sure, right, are you trying to tell me it's okay to stereotype all men for purposes of descrimination and prejudice at the hands of women's studies bigots?" "Oh no," was his reply. "Then," I said, "I suggest that women's studies, sexist garbage be taken down." I didn't even have to write a letter, although I still have photos of the offensive, sexist, anti-male garbage. All the offensive material was taken down, and in short order. The problem is, it's still in the text books and in the classrooms.
Women's studies programs, classes, instructors, and especially the colleges that support them, are long overdue for a whole truck load of discrimination lawsuits against those bigots for bashing males. It is good to see MRA's getting on track, and I look forward to the day...
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:24 PM August 13th, 2005 EST (#15)
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Notice that Angelina TROLL-ie never ansewered my question of "how it is "different"".
C'mon Trollette, you started this, let's have an ansewer. HOW is it "Different"?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by grownman on 10:21 AM August 12th, 2005 EST (#14)
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I am speaking as a man who had to send his wife to jail for hitting me. Not because I was afraid she would do me harm but because I was afraid I might retaliate. The fact is is that men HAVE done far more damage to women than the reverse. There are extremely few men who walk down the street and are afraid of a group of women walking towards them. There are no records of roving bands of women raping and beating a man to death. I am of average height and weight and have only seen one or two women in my entire life who could represent a physical threat to me. I empathize with the woman who wrote this because it is clear that fear is what motivated her anger. In fact fear is what motivates ALL anger. It is unfortunate that she chose to use that language but this type of whinning over a single advertisement that shows a women using pliers on a dolls crotch is un-manly. If you are easily offended you have serious emotional illnesses. Being able to take a joke is a good sign of maturity.
Signed,
Not as wimpy as most of you.
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by Anonymous User on 02:14 PM August 15th, 2005 EST (#16)
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Oh, great. You're one of THOSE guys.
I am so tired of trying to explain these situations and why they are wrong, to people like you.
All I'll say is; if it's wrong to depict genital mutilation of a woman, it is JUST as wrong to depict a man in the same way.
It has nothing to do with "Whimpiness". It has to do with EQUALITY for BOTH genders.
Why this is so hard for men (and women) like you to grasp, I have no idea...!
And as far as being angry because one is "scared". Yeah, I am scared. I am scared that I will not only be discriminated against for being 'Native-American' but now ALSO because I am a man. And I will be discriminated against for TWO reasons instead of ONE! I have had a belly full of prejiduce against me and my people for just being Indians. I will be DAMNED if I am gonna sit passively by while I am discriminated against for yet ANOTHER reason, and in much the same way. I know alot of Black men who feel the same as I and other Indian men do.
I find it interesting that you lable men who speak out on this matter as "Whimpy". Because it is guys like you who not only tolerate discrimination against you and your brothers but many of you seem to actually ENJOY it.
I am very wary of a person or people that ENJOY their bondage. Where I come from we call these types of people sell-outs and Wussie-poopies.
I think you may be one of these.
Go hire a dominatrix or something, since guys like you like that kind of thing. Better yet, go write for Hollywood movies and/or TV. Those guys LOVE being subjegated by women and LOVE to write scripts about it. You could make alot of money.
...Then you could hire all the dominatrixes you like.
You're pathetic. And so is every wussie-poopie, self hating male like you. Go to the feminist-hate-sites and pedal your wussie-poopieism there. They will be glad to have you.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:51 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#7)
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I sent this to my two Senators and my Congressman:
Home phone xxx-xxx-xxxx Cell phone xxx-xxx-xxxx
August 8, 2005
Attention: Scheduler
Senator Diane Feinstein
Hart Office Bldg.,
Room# 331
Washington, DC 20510
Senator Feinstein:
I would like to personally meet with Senator Feinstein during the August recess to discuss the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act.
Language needs to be added to VAWA to not only make it clearly gender inclusive, language must be added to specify that 36% of funding for victim services goes to programs that focus on male victims, especially heterosexual male victims. According to statistics provided from the National Crime Victimization Survey - Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, for every one (1) "same-sex" male victim of intimate partner violence there are approximately five hundred forty one (541) "opposite-sex" (heterosexual) male victims of intimate partner violence.
Under the Victims of Crime Act (VOCA), 40% of funds are designated for family violence programs so using percentage allocations has been done before in domestic violence programs.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Luek on 06:53 PM August 8th, 2005 EST (#8)
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There is no law that says you can't contact your Representative/Senators again and again about reforming VAWA. I have sent over the last few months faxes and letters to their offices in Washington and here in their home state.
Someone, if not the Rep or Senator does read these letters and faxes. Their office workers, clerks or whatnot. They have opinions of their own too that can be molded to our favor.
KEEP THAT ANNOYING UNGREASED WHEEL TURNING!
WE OWE IT TO GENERATIONS NOT YET BORN TO MAKE A SOCIETY BETTER THAN THE MISANDRIC ONE WE PRESENTLY LIVE IN.
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by Anonymous User on 01:54 PM August 9th, 2005 EST (#10)
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"Someone, if not the Rep or Senator does read these letters and faxes. Their office workers, clerks or whatnot. They have opinions of their own too that can be molded to our favor."
legislative aides handle all unsolicited corrrespondence -- at the junior levels, these are mostly college kids and recent grads, often with family/friend/contributor connections to the congressional member
they can be very helpful in prosaic instances -- say, for example, the local social security office is withholding your check, or you want to complain about natural resource use in your district
leg aides are NOT very helpful in major policy matters, however -- and it doesn't get any more Major than attempting to "equalize" a pending bill/code section which would overturn a key stone underlying the mega-million dollar anti-male industry (VAWA, DV, harrassment, hate crimes, affirmative action, the prison industrial complex, etc)
KEEP THAT ANNOYING UNGREASED WHEEL TURNING!
WE OWE IT TO GENERATIONS NOT YET BORN TO MAKE A SOCIETY BETTER THAN THE MISANDRIC ONE WE PRESENTLY LIVE IN.
we damn sure DO owe it to them, but you live under a tyrannical matriarchy, and you are not going to overturn -- or even dent -- that System by faxing Washington offices, nor by schmoozing and lobbying the very officials whose power and wealth derive directly from maintaining and expanding a System which is demonstrably, and irredeemably, anti-male in concept and execution
we're gonna have to make a LOT LOUDER "noises" than that, because rookie lobbyists w/o campaign "contributions" to make are only good for comic relief in the Capitol
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Let's be realistic. After 30 years of the one-party gender system, it's going to take awhile to reform all the unjust laws that discriminate against men. The Violence Against Women Act is one example of these unfair laws.