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by Anonymous User on 12:05 PM June 30th, 2005 EST (#1)
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What Biden fails to understand (it seems) is that male victims of D.V. are TURNED AWAY at these shelters. So they don't get the help they need.
So Biden's point, much like his brain, is moot.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 04:08 PM June 30th, 2005 EST (#2)
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As long as were talking about the history of domestic violence against men in Los Angeles...
Do you remember where you were when you heard the news of Phil Hartman's death? A lot of people don't, and I probably wouldn't either, except I saw the headline in the L.A. Times news stand on "the other Blvd.," and bought a copy on my way into the restaurant. I was with my, "then wife," and we were having dinner before going to marriage counseling, due to my "then wife's" dysfunctional behavior.
I remember sitting at our table in the restaurant, quickly reading over the L.A. Times story about how Mr. Hartman's wife shot him in the head, while he was sleeping. Uggh! I remembered wondering if my, "then wife," was crazy enough to do such a thing. I wish my "Gift of Fear" (1) had been working for me then. It could have saved me from a world of abuse and grief. Sadly, I didn't even know about that book at that point in my life.
In their coverage of Phil Hartman's death it's really too bad the L.A. Times didn't comment on how an abused man could get assistance, when in an abusive relationship with a female. It might have helped Mr. Hartman had they printed that info before his death. They had no excuse for not printing the info after his death, and I sure could have used the help. Since becoming a full-blown victim of domestic violence law as well as domestic violence, I have more than once reflected back on my thoughts that evening, reading over Mr. Hartman's death. I've reflected on the strange juxtaposition of my thoughts, at one second being concerned with Mr. Hartman's victimization at the hands of a "crazy wife," and at another second wondering about my own fate at the hands of a "very dysfunctional wife."
I can't 100% answer "yes" to the question Mr. Rosenthal asks in the title to his article, "Did Phil Hartman Die from Congressionally-Sanctioned Discrimination?," although it's pretty obviously, overwhelmingly "yes." However, there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that I suffered ongoing domestic violence, because no one offered me any way out, when I was being "domestically abused." No one wanted to recognize or admit that I was being domestically abused even though my, "then wife," took her multi-thousand dollar diamond ring off in one session, and threw it hard against the wall in the counselor's office. We both tensed up not knowing where the deflection from that throw might land. It landed near my feet so I picked up the ring and put it in my pocket. The counselor had been having us role-play through a communications exercise she'd given us. When you say _ _ _ _, it makes me feel _ _ _ _. My "then wife" (domestic terrorist that she was), had stormed out of the counselor’s office in a gruff, never turning around to see where the ring fell, or looking to see who it might have hit. I waited for the "trained counselor" to say something, to explain to me so that the dysfunction I'd witnessed had some clinical frame of reference, and I could understand. I was at a loss. This was what I was having to live with in my home, but I was still hoping against hope the marriage would work out with help. The counselor merely concluded the session so I wrote a check for the session and left. Little did I know that my abuse was just beginning, both at the domestic, and "professional" levels.
As a male victim of domestic violence law, and domestic violence (still struggling to survive the abuse), I am left to wonder how people, pretending to be good and competent, can knowingly allow evil and harm to come to decent people, just because they're male.
(1) The Gift of Fear, Gavin Becker, Dell Publishing
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by Anonymous User on 09:36 AM July 1st, 2005 EST (#3)
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Biden's statement that"Nothing in the act denies services, programs, funding or assistance to male victims of violence" fails to address the issue that nothing in the act offers services, programs, funding or assistance to male victims of violence.
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by Anonymous User on 12:17 PM July 1st, 2005 EST (#4)
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Who is Phil Hartman?
Jinx
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by Anonymous User on 02:32 PM July 1st, 2005 EST (#5)
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Hartman was a comedian.
You'd see him on TV and movies. He did a sint on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, and lent his voice to cartoons like the SIMPSONS, FUTURAMA and others.
He was generaly a funny and likeable guy.
One night, about 5 years ago(?) his wife went nuts and murdered him.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:53 AM July 2nd, 2005 EST (#6)
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Although he was a prominent comedian during one of the earlier episodes of SLN, his tragic death is obviously of no importance to the mainstream domestic violence movement, who cannot see male victims of domestic violence (alive or dead). I believe he was playing some role in a TV sitcom at the time of his death, but he has faded into obscurity, being a male victim of d.v. If this had happened to a female actress we probably would have never heard the end of it.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 11:21 AM July 2nd, 2005 EST (#7)
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Ray-
So true.
If Mr. Hartman had been a woman, how much do you want to bet that somebody would set up a trust fun for "female victims of DV" in his name?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:27 PM July 2nd, 2005 EST (#8)
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"If Mr. Hartman had been a woman, how much do you want to bet that somebody would set up a trust fund for "female victims of DV" in his name?"
Yep, and they'd be holding candle light vigils on the anniversery of his death like they did for years for Nicolle Simpson (O.J's. ex-wife). Not one candlelight vigle for Mr. Hartman in Femi-supremacist dominated L.A.
Ray
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Ray writes "This author asks the question,