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by Anonymous User on 08:51 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#1)
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Notice complete absence of public witnesses that can verify the Seattle Police claim of his having a grenade. The one witness they do have notably misses the presence of the so-called deadly grenade and threat to the public.
This is typical of my personal experience with the Seattle Police force. They will tell any lie to justify their story line. They are clearly brainwashed by the Marxist-Feminists.
I personally don't believe for an instance that they had grounds for this murder of Perry Manley. This was an execution of a MRA.
His normal demand that the police not come near him is something I would say! They think they can justify killing him because he doesn’t want the Seattle Police to approach him? Hell no! I don't want any police officer coming near me without a damn good reason either. That is a normal request/demand of any MRA.
Finally, the Marxist-Feminist have literally trained all government officials to be afraid of any male that protests their anti-male activities.
All that is required to get a police investigation started is to make a call to a female government official’s office and use a couple of swear words.
For example, you could say something like "_______ (a female government official) is a puss filled cunt that juggles cocks and a socialist." The result is almost a guaranteed criminal investigation for making a threat against a public official and causing them to feel fear. Try making about three phone calls like this and I can guarantee a police investigation. That is something any normal MRA who is fighting the fact that $14,000 was stolen would do after having our government uphold the theft of the earnings.
This man is a hero in the MRA movement, and his killing should be protested in every way possible. He was clearly pushed over-the-line.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 07:06 PM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#17)
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Warble said:
"This man is a hero in the MRA movement, and his killing should be protested in every way possible. He was clearly pushed over-the-line."
Glenn Sacks said:
"I have received many letters telling me that Manley is a hero, and even that I should honor him (or his memory) on my radio show this Sunday. I'll pass. Manley was unarmed, and that certainly counts in his favor, but his actions were reckless and needlessly put innocent civilians in harm's way. It served no constructive purpose but instead makes it easier for our many enemies to portray divorced dads as violent nuts."
"Manley may (or may not) have been a victim of a family law system which has torn millions of fathers and children apart. But either way there was nothing heroic about his actions this week."
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by Anonymous User on 09:06 PM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#21)
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When you drive a man insane, it seems unjust to expect him to behave in a sane manner !
We should 'not' tarnish ourselves by also beating up on him. Where is the charity ?
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by Anonymous User on 10:04 PM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#22)
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"When you drive a man insane, it seems unjust to expect him to behave in a sane manner!"
It is unfair to treat this situation so simplistically as some Seattle news media and some pundits are doing. There were strongly anti-Father, anti-male factors that contributed to this event happening, a causality as it were.
Here is an article presenting a more insightful view of the events leading up to this tragedy.
Death of a Father , June 23, 2005, by Roger F. Gay
This article provides additional insights into the life and death of Perry Manley, a man, a Father, a human being. As much as anything, he was driven to self destruction by inhuman, gender feminist influences inherent in our legal system.
I'm sure there will be no shortage of people who will judge Perry Manley harshly, and even more "lazy minds" who will not bother exploring the anti-Father, anti-male factors that lead Manley to the brink of suicide and beyond.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Roy on 03:07 PM June 24th, 2005 EST (#24)
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It's interesting to see that as men in FemAmerica become more desperate in the face of pervasive and well-documented anti-father tyranny, and as men begin to act out in desperation... they are condemned.
No "Runaway Bride" mass sympathy or book deals for this fellow or his survivors. Not sexy enough.
The condemnation is a variation on the feminist's tried-and-true "real men don't..." formula that has so effectively disempowered men with a classic passive-aggressive "shame and blame" psyc-ops game.
This is all so transparent!
It's OK for a male infantryman to fall on an enemy grenade to give his life saving those of his comrades. (Or become an anonymous dead hero for a wounded, captured female soldier who gets national fame and riches after driving her crew into the rear lines of the enemy ....there was no ambush Jessica... you just couldn't read a map...)
But when he holds up a symbolic grenade in court for the same purpose, he is slaughtered.
I don't blame the cops. They have been schooled in a feminist mindset for three generations now.
They didn't see a desperate father making his last stand .... only a potential rapist, batterer, deadbeat dad, and targeted prey.
The logic in this tragedy is immaculate.
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Anonymous User on 09:45 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#2)
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I trust every men's group in the nation will ensure this mans funeral is amply attended, and thus send the biggest silent message the State and all other officials.
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Far, far too many men will be able to identify with Perry's desperate state of mind. If it is not too late, perhaps a Posse of men, ie f4j or some similar, should attend his daughters wedding to represent him - courteously of course.
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by Anonymous User on 10:09 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#3)
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I just spent 3 days on jury duty and the last two days at the so called "Deadbeat Dad's Courthouse." At first I was ticked off to be going to that vile place, then decided to make the best out of it and made a T-shirt with:
L.A. COUNTY COURTS ARE
SEXIST & HATEFUL
AGAINST MEN
"We won't sully our hands
enforcing unjust.
factually unfounded
paternity judgments"
(2nd District Court of Appeal to L.A. County)
I had the seated symbol for justice around the top L.A. County message, and the whole thing was 11" X 18". I really looked like a walking billboard. I wore the whole thing on the front of my T-shirt, and it looked very sharp and eye catching (especially the law seal), but I had no idea what kind of reaction I was going to encounter when I entered the courthouse as a juror, wearing that. I did know I was fed up with our legal system, that so egregiously ignores Father's and Men's Rights.
A lot of people were flat out stunned, doing double takes, back flips, bugging their eyes out, staring and making lots of comments to me. People just couldn't believe their eyes. The guards at the security check in talked to me like I was a dignitary, and one guard wanted to know were he could get one. Well, I said this is one of a kind, but Mensbiz has a lot of other stuff very similar.
Over the course of two days, after awhile, I forgot I had it on. One lady in the panel this morning (a new person) told me, "You'll never get on a jury wearing that." "No kidding," I said?
This afternoon, after the court I was in went through over 125 panelists, we finally got to the jury box. The Judge asked if there was anyone in the jury who had any biases or prejudices against L.A. County, that should disqualify them from serving. I went second, and pointed out I had no prejudice or bias against L.A. County, but that L.A. County was biased and prejudiced against men (said that about three times), and that it would be hard not to recall all the egregious discrimination they've committed against men. I mentioned I had sued L.A. County (with a little help from my friends at NCFMLA), because they had an office of women's health but no office of men's health. I said I could give scores of examples of how L.A. County was sexist and hateful against men. Strangely, the judge kept asking questions and that allowed me to talk further. i.e. "...but will you fairly weigh the evidence in this case, blah, blah, blah." I think he was more than a little ticked that in his questioning I got to say all that I did in front of all the remaining jury candidates who were in the courtroom. However, I was just being truthful and answering his questions. I finally told him, "I have no idea what evidence will be presented, and L.A. County is so misandrist that I'm not certain I wouldn't recall some other example of L.A. Counties prejudice against men from evidence presented." Would you believe it, I didn't get on the case? I handed in my jury badge and called it a day.
A few weeks back a guy (a Dad) asked to borrow some of our protest signs so I loaned them to him for the day. Even though someone called the police on him and made a false accusation (which the police concretely found to be false) he had a very good protest. Of course the police did nothing about the female false accuser.
In closing, I shared with a friend that day, that it was a good thing to allow men to have a voice. It helps get the words out. It helps educate the public, and you never know whose life you might be saving by giving them a voice and an outlet for the frustration (persecution) they are enduring.
My apologies to Perry that I could not have been there (someway) across the miles that would have made a difference. My deepest sympathy to all of his family.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:58 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#4)
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Ray,
You are one great, righteous guy. Thank you for your courageous witness to the truth.
Frank
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by Anonymous User on 11:37 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#8)
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Thanks for the kind words Frank.
As Jack Nicholson pointed out in the movie, "A Few Good Men," finding out the truth can be scary and overwhelming (difficult to handle).
It is especially difficult to find out what is truly happening to so many good Father's and Men (across this nation), who must live under America‘s misandrist laws.
Publicly and prominently calling attention to the truth about what is so negatively impacting Father's and Men's lives in America today is something that makes it easier for me to live with that frightening truth. My activism is a defense mechanism for my own well being as much as anything. I try to make it a constructive outlet for my frustration , one that makes living with myself (and the truth), easier. It’s far from being a perfect solution, but it does help.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:59 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#5)
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FACT: as women start to age a bit, their asses become very fat. just a law of nature.
Pete in Nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 11:12 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#6)
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Here is more info on Perry, and what happened, "Man in courthouse shooting angry over child support rulings" :
Knights Radio
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 12:36 AM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#9)
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Knights Radio
(scroll down)
"His ex-wife Susan Calhoun said ?he just still had issues, he was still really bitter.?
She said the problems started soon after their 1990 divorce, when a court ordered support payments for their three children.
Calhoun said Manley angrily quit his high-paying job to spite his family and the court.
?It was a power struggle, I think, he didn't want anybody to tell him what to do with his money,? she said.
Calhoun thinks the tragic event was a final swipe at the courts and his children."
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by Doctor Damage
(scottg [fivefoursixseven] at yahoo dot com dot au)
on 05:28 PM June 24th, 2005 EST (#26)
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My favorite part is this: apparently access was not denied because his daughter visited him just six months ago! Classic!
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by Anonymous User on 12:39 AM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#10)
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He e-mailed KING TV a few weeks ago saying he planned to burn a flag on the steps of the courthouse. In his note he also wrote:
"25 Million U.S. Citizens called "NONCUSTODIAL PARENTS," are impoverished and imprisoned by the government without the authority or the power. The government denies these second class parents the democratic rights we fight for in other countries.
Child support is illegal, unlawful, and unconstitutional. It violates five basic elements of our Bill of Rights; that being life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, due process, and equal protection under the law. Peonage, seizure of property, coercion, threats of fear and intimidation are illegal, unlawful, and unconstitutional. How many children, grandparents, and parents must suffer before you reveal the truth to America?
Many are suffering, commit suicide, live underground, or are imprisoned. The time for oppression is coming to an end.This must STOP now!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:45 AM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#11)
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Was this a suicide, DBC (Death By Cop)? I don't think Police Dept's. keep that statistic.
Ray
Knights Radio
"Members of the bomb squad searched the backpack found a cutting board inside it, as well as a living will. Of the significance of the cutting board, Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske could only speculate, but living will did raise for him the specter of this being a case of "suicide by police."
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by Anonymous User on 10:37 AM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#13)
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No matter what they say. Perry Manley is a great man and they forced him to become a true martyr for our cause. I will remember him also.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 10:53 AM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#14)
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Notice in the Kids Rights video of Kevin Crenshaw he immediately details how the backpack was strapped to the front of Perry's chest. Even Kevin mentions the possibility of explosives in the backpack.
Yet the Seattle Police shoot him believing that they might trigger a massive explosion. NO! I don't think so! That isn't going to happen.
They knew Perry and they knew he wasn't dangerous. Otherwise, the officer's would not have shot him because they would have been worried about a much larger explosion.
The Seattle Police are lying as usual.
Notice that Kevin Crenshaw is an ATF agent. Where are all the public witnesses? Oddly, they are missing.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 12:34 PM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#16)
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Men are the new "NIGGERS".
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by Anonymous User on 12:30 PM June 22nd, 2005 EST (#15)
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Just to refresh the minds of anyone interested.
The war cry "Hoka hey" is a Cheyenne war cry that means "it is a good day to die!"
A good day to die for what is right. A good day to die for what you know is true. A good day to die for what you beleive in. A good day to die for the sake of others. A good day to die for justice.
I adopted this war cry to use as an MRA. And I mean it siriously. Anyone useing this war cry is known to mean that he is willing to die for his people, his cause and his convictions. This is the mark of a true warrior.
Perry Manley must have known this, because it was obviously written in his heart.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 10:20 PM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#23)
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Forgive my ignorance, but I always thought "Hoka Hey" was of Lakota origin.
I know the Cheyenne and Lakota were of the Plains tribes, but I believe they were seperate Native American peoples.
Thanks in advance if anyone can correct me.
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by Anonymous User on 12:38 PM June 25th, 2005 EST (#28)
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I'm Cherokee and don't speak much Cheyenne or Lakota, but you might be right. It MAY have been a Lakota phrase. I was pretty sure it was Cheyenne but it could be Lakota.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Roy on 05:16 PM June 24th, 2005 EST (#25)
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It is still possible to have a good death, even in this age of veiled tyranny, and all the media spin.
(Just a trivial bit of history...)
"For the Lakota and their Cheyenne allies, however, the victory over Custer would be their undoing.
The disaster on the Little Bighorn shocked and embarrasssed the US Army. As a result, the military pursued Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull and their followers with relentless vengence.
Even in the dead of winter, when the Plains Indians normally went into camp and waited patiently for Spring, they got no rest.
Between July 1876 and May 1877, Crook's forces and a newly arrived unit under General Nelson Miles defeated Dull Knife, Crazy Horse, Lame Deer, and other chiefs who had taken part in the Battle of the Little Bighorn.
In May 1877, Crazy Horse led his band into the Red Cloud Agency in South Dakota and surrendured.
Four months later, he was stabbed to death under mysterious circumstances while supposedly resisting arrest.
"It is good," remarked one of his saddened followers. "Crazy Horse has looked for death and it has come."
(From - "It's a Good Day to Die: Indian Eyewitnesses Tell the Story of the Battle of the Little Bighorn.)
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Anonymous User on 12:35 PM June 25th, 2005 EST (#27)
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Wow! Roy!-
I'm impressed at your knowlege of American Indian history!
If you have any Indian blood, maybe you should become an Indian activist as well as a men's rights activist. Both "sides" can use all the help they can get! :-)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Roy on 04:30 PM June 25th, 2005 EST (#29)
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Thundercloud,
Thanks for your regards, but my knowledge of your people's history is meager at best.
But I must have some Indian blood, because I can trace my family tree all the way back to the Mayflower, and well....
I trust my male Pilgrim ancestors must have had some appreciation for the Iroquois women they encountered. (Though they (the women) had a reputation for being rather formidable.)
And perhaps a few individuals (in both tribes) were smart enough to see beyond the color of eyes.
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by fecund3 on 09:45 AM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#18)
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I don't agree with Mr. Manley's method. His loss of life is a true tragedy. I went thru 16 years of hell. At one point a state that was not even involve wrote me a letter that I owed $92,000 in back child support. It took me a month to straigten it out. As for my child visitation rights, when my wife left the state she refused to let me have my kids in the summer. Yet the state forced me to keep paying...while she openly violated my rights as a father and nothing was done....Anyway I got over it and as part of my therapy I wrote this song about how I felt:
HURTIN JUSTUS
Verse 1
Why should I pay child support
When I can’t see my kids
I didn’t try to cause you pain
It’s somethin we both did
Usin the kids to hurt me…Well
It doesn’t seem quite right
The law of the land protects the wrong
And I’m just to tired to fight
Chorus
Right is right and fair is fair
The law’s not up for bid
If I pay my child support
Then I should see my kids
Miss a payment of child support
And you go straight on to jail
Ask the judge if you can see your kids
And he says go straight on to hell son
He says go straight on to hell
Verse 2
If I’m soundin bitter..cause
That’s just what I am
My backside’s sore from getting the shaft
And no one gives a damn
I know it’s right to pay child support
And I doing the best that I can
Every time I try to keep my head up high
It gets pushed back down in the sand
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by Anonymous User on 10:54 AM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#19)
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These days when a man is pushed over the edge by the tyranny of anti-male laws, in the eyes of the official reports and news, he's a nut job, devoid of humanity, regardless of being pushed over the edge. The unfair oppression of Fathers is successful, because people are compliment. Any why shouldn't Fathers and men comply, after the law uses it's power to break their spirits and destroy their lives?
Compliance with the letter of the law is one thing, but yielding to the spirit of the law is another. Expressing dissatisfaction and opposition to anti-Father, anti-male, tyranny embraces that spirit of fairness, which the onerous laws oppressing Fathers and males have forsaken.
Our society is too used to framing Dad as the bad guy to give a damn about any man. The gender feminists, the media, the government, and society at large are making bitter enemies of Fathers and men who will someday find the way to derail the evil those entities are perpetrating against them. I suspect change will come not out of open revolution, but out of hearts turned to stone by cruelty, and minds that just want to be left alone.
One day America will wake up and it will have the nightmare of its life on its hands, simply because America has chosen to follow evil (gender feminism) instead of good (equal justice for all). The baggage of decades of abuse to Fathers and men will bear down on the evil legal system as the hearts and minds of Fathers and men will close ranks to shield their own self-survival.
Men will learn to avoid the dangers that destroy their lives, and the weapons that are used to destroy them will become more and more useless as men shield there lives from all involvement with the poisons that rot their souls. Women and government will have to fend for themselves as men repulse more and more from the slave world they have been given to live in.
This may not all come about tomorrow, but it is inevitable if America stays the course it is on. The warning signs are already here, when a slave cheers the destruction of the temple he’s standing in, knowing the loss of his own life brings an end to the great evil that has been used to make his existence a living hell. Optimistically speaking, it appears things will get worse before they get better.
Ray
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by khankrumthebulgar on 11:48 AM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#20)
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Omnious rumblings are happening all across the Nation. In Tyler Texas a Man angry about his Divorce showed up with an AK 47 killed his wife, shot his Son, killed a man who tried to stop him along with 3 Officers before he was killed.
Will it take a Breslan style Massacre or men with suicide Bombers vests to get some justice for Men? Angry Harry is warning Western Women, Judges and Politicians take note you are not exempt either. I fear those days are coming.
Our oppressive system and media is trying to Feminize Men poke an animal long enough and it will respond out of self defense. I agree with much of Perry Manley's assertions.
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by Anonymous User on 08:27 PM June 26th, 2005 EST (#30)
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I don't think America is so oppressive and corrupt that it can't, with much struggle and persistence, be changed within the system.
Therefore, suicide bombing and shooting people is never, ever justified. It's understandable someone who has been wounded and treated unjustly by the system might fantasize about violence, but it's never understandable to do it.
Killing people (including yourself) is a sign of individual pathology and should ALWAYS be condemned. Furthermore, any act of violence that is associated with Father's Right's will be used against it, and could easily destroy it (think Tim Mc Veigh).
It is important,IMO, that we must work to create support networks for men in these precarious situations, so they will feel the protection and support needed to heal and fight back.
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Yesterday, Father's Rights Activist and longtime participator in the