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by Anonymous User on 02:32 PM June 20th, 2005 EST (#1)
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All bigots seem to do this.
"I'm not a feminist, But..."
I have heared the exact same thing from racists.
"I'm not a racist, But..." Then they proceed to say something racist.
Feminism is exactly the same thing.
"I,m not a feminist, But..." Then they go on and say something anti-male.
Like I keep saying, there is really NO difference between feminists and the K.K.K.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by khankrumthebulgar on 03:16 PM June 20th, 2005 EST (#2)
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Typical FemNag mindset. The facts are simple the US has a Gulag system and it isn't Gitmo. It is the demonization, incarceration, prosecution, and removal of Men from their Families. With 94%+ of on the job deaths male, shorter lives, 4 times the suicide rate, and war against Poor Fathers with at least 100,000 Men in jail for being late or behind on Child support the US Leads the so called civilized world on waging war against Men. Europe is dying because its birth rate is plummeting. How soon before it happens here? Dumb Bastards don't realize that the Marriage Strike will only increase. What happens when the Male pill is released and Men refuse to allow Women to decide on Paternity?
What happens to our Social Safety Net then? Hope you Ladies out there like working until you drop dead. Our retirement systems will collapse.
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by Roy on 04:31 PM June 20th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Also from Ms. Parker's column in the first three paragraphs --
"But Father's Day has always had a special spot on my calendar - not only because I like fathers, but because I'm partial to underdogs.
The American father, maligned and marginalized the past several decades, makes underdogs feel smug.
Frankly, I don't know why Dad doesn't slam the door on his way out.
The reason he doesn't is because fathers, when they are true fathers, don't do that sort of thing.
They don't act childishly, throw tantrums, pout and demand attention. They take the guff and keep on trucking. It's a very grown-up thing."
In other words, men -- accept your slavery under feminism because it would be unmanly to complain (childish), to seek recognition of your grievances (throw tantrums), or behave in your own self-interest(pout).
Unless you have fully accepted that you are an indentured domestic servant in service to the matriarchy, you cannot be a "true" father.
This article is a wonderful if too brief primer on the passive-aggressive psychologically emasculating tactics that feminists employ in the guise of "empathy, kindness, and appreciation" for men.
It should have been titled -- "In Praise of Fatherhood, and Slavery in General."
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Gregory on 06:03 PM June 20th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Yeah, I started reading Ms Parker's article with high hopes. My heart sank when I got to that paragraph about women being the underdogs for centuries under the heel of the boot..ughhh..
She just had to revert to the old feminist victimology line. What a disappointment!
Anyway, most of the article is in the right place IMO. At least she's appreciative of what fathers contribute to the family and society, and at least she's sympathetic to fathers for what they are going through these days.
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by Anonymous User on 11:58 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#11)
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It is because of feminism and this type of mentality that too many women have about men that I am still single.
It seems more and more like men are seeing today's marriage for what it is; Slavery.
And what person in their right mind would willingly sell themselves into slavery?
Guys, I am really sorry for what some of my "sisters" have put you through. If it helps any, us non-feminist women are going through it with you. You are not alone. :)
Jinx
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by Ragtime on 01:00 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#12)
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Jinx wrote: "Guys, I am really sorry for what some of my "sisters" have put you through. If it helps any, us non-feminist women are going through it with you. You are not alone. :) "
Thanks for your thoughts, Jinx. Your attitude and clarity of thought is very much appreciated.
I hope it spreads to other women. Ultimately, it will have to if our society is going to move forward -- or even survive.
I know that folks tend to use general terms, and may refer to "women" in general without any qualifying remarks. Please don't think that the bad behaviour and attributes being attributed to some (or even most) is meant to categorize *all* women. It's really aimed at *feminists* and those that subscribe to their hateful creed.
We know there's good women out there . Granted, there's currently too damn few -- but we know they exist.
Unlike the feminist sites, you won't find people here condeming and promoting hatred against an entire gender.
Most men really just want to love women, but too many women have made themselves intolerable to be around -- primadonnas who are rude, selfish, hostile, greedy, irresponsible, untrustworthy, and just plain unpleasant. We pray women find their way back.
I had always dreamed of having a family, children, and a loving wife and partner. I wanted a family like the one I grew up in -- not perfect, but caring and supportive. Thank you feminism for destroying any hope of ever having those things.
A man in Western society has to be mad to get into any kind of binding relationship with a woman. Feminism hates women almost as much as it hates men.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Roy on 01:37 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#13)
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Jinx (ostensibly female) wrote ---
"Guys, I am really sorry for what some of my "sisters" have put you through. If it helps any, us non-feminist women are going through it with you. You are not alone. :)
Jinx"
Actually Jinx, it doesn't help.
And, the last thing MRAs need is another long-suffering "non-feminist" female ... "feeling our pain." (Obviously an oxymoron.)
You and your kind just can't help but emote, right?
You use it as a control strategy, to insinuate yourselves into the MRA camp, and then try to co-opt men's growing self-awareness by re-focusing on "what we women are doing for you suffering guys."
I call bullshit on this, and my feminist radar detector is on "tilt" in the red zone when I read your remarks.
Your charity would best be spilt elsewhere, as we have no need of you hereabouts.
We do not seek charity; only justice.
And that, girl, your species cannot dispense.
Yes, we've talked elsewhere, to little advantage, I'm sure.
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Anonymous User on 02:08 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#14)
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I'm sorry you feel that way, Roy.
Jinx
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by Anonymous User on 11:07 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#18)
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I appreciate your sympathy, Jinx. But we're also asking you to help by doing something specific. Support vawa4all.org, write letters to newspapers about the prevalence of anti-male hate, protest against the criminalization of male sexuality, work to get equal custody statutues passed. Emotion + action = life force.
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by Roy on 11:57 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#19)
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Jinx,
You missed my point entirely.
I don't covet your sorrow, I care nothing about who you are "sorry for..," and I'd have little interest in your range of emotions beyond the sorrow and the pity.
Can you grasp the concept that men do not need you in this struggle?
Can you appreciate your utter lack of strategic utility?
It's nothing personal.
When the men's rights movement has advanced in two decades, we may decide to make a place for female sympathizers.
We may not.
(And here's where the obligatory "I know you're a lovely woman with fine intentions disclaimer is supposed to be inserted )
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"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by khankrumthebulgar on 12:01 PM June 23rd, 2005 EST (#20)
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What are Women are coming to grips with is this. We are at war with a culture (Radical Islam) that is a nightmare to Women. It is so bad in Afghanistan some Women who were put into arranged marriages poured gasoline overthemselves and burned themselves to death. Ladies are you paying attention? Sharia or Islamic Law allows for your Husband to beat you if you refuse him sex. He just should not leave any marks according to Islamic Scholars. The tolerant pluralistic culture is in danger of being replaced.
Who is fighting for it? Not the Damned Femnazis I assure you. Why should Males die to protect you when you oppress us. I have actually heard from self absorbed spoiled arrogant American Bitches that Men deserve to die for the privledge of Protecting Women!! I ended a Marriage to such a Woman. It was useless trying to persuade her to change. She came to the realization that I no longer found her attractive and did not want her anymore.
Women would have no rights if Men did not support their aspirations for Social Justice and equality. It has turned instead to a campaign for revenge against Men and Boys. Join us or get the hell out of the way.
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by zenpriest on 09:09 PM June 20th, 2005 EST (#5)
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If she's saying feminist things, then's she's a feminist! You, as a man don't notice these things, because the dose of misandrist poison comes from behind a facade of weakness, and is enough of a low dose to destroy over time, unlike feminists who use high doseages of manhating poison which would trigger something you could react to.
This is why the whole "not me" game women are playing is falling apart - men are starting to catch the subtle digs of the old-fashioned girl. When she was the only kind out there, and things were balanced, things weren't nearly as bad as they are today.
Conservative women are more subtle about their digs, usually, and as "anonymous" said, they deliver their venom from behind a false smile. These are the women who are terrified of men actually doing what the feminists have been screaming at men to do for years. Sure, they went along for the ride because the perks were nice, and now when it comes time to pay the check, guess who they try stick for it - the good old chivalrous male.
Progressive men have few allies right now. The feminasties hate us, and conservative women fear us leaving our cages and our chains. If women had kept those cages comfy, men would still be seeking them out.
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by Uberganger on 07:23 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#9)
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The whole of women's relationship to men comes down to one thing and one thing only: how to rip men off for as much as possible while giving as little as possible. Find me one single example that contradicts this, just one. Note that the feminist idea of independence for women is actually the idea of not contibuting to a man's life - but, of course, he's still expected to contibute to hers. It's all about ripping men off, guys; that's what it has always been about, and what it always will be about.
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by Anonymous User on 01:09 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#6)
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Here's another one (see below). Nothing like getting a compliment (all nicely wrapped up in an insult) from an out of touch, over privelged conservative female who makes a real effort to stoop just as low as her despised, male bashing, gender feminist nemeses.
Ray
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But Dad Can't Do It All
"Anyway, baby boomer dads typically congratulate themselves on how involved they are in their children's lives because compared to their own fathers, they are indeed: At least they've changed diapers and gone to parent-teacher conferences.
But they're still rarely as involved as moms, who, for instance, via the day-to-day drudgework of picking up kids and hanging out with other moms,"
"But fathers' rights types find any acknowledgement of these facts of life offensive. Worse, they're trying to move custody disputes from what's in the child's best interest to what's fair to fathers."
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by Greystoke on 02:07 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#7)
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Hanging out with other moms is drudgework and involvement with the child? Wow.
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by Anonymous User on 06:54 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#8)
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I would certainly consider hanging out with a bunch of moms to be very burdensome and unpleasant.
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by Anonymous User on 11:51 AM June 21st, 2005 EST (#10)
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As the quality of this authoress' writing clearly illustrates, hanging out with other moms is a guaranteed slow lobotomy.
Just like when women have an actual orgasm (see new research posted at MND), becoming a mom "turns off" large portions of the female brain. Emotion and intellect vaporize in a wave of all-consuming endorphins.
It's tragic to think that it's human evolution, self-interested DNA and sexist chromosomes, and not men, that have so cruely objectified women.
I guess what's necessary for the survival of the species is just a real bitch.
More compelling evidence for "dad's night out!"
(Roy)
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by Boy Genteel on 05:10 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#15)
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I don't know why you folks are looking at one tree and missing the entire forest. The things Parker says in that column (and other columns where she's defended men and boys) could have been cut and pasted directly from our posts in this forum. She's sick of fatherhood getting trased, tired of men being portrayed as dumb, dorky and dispensible. Sound familiar?
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 07:19 PM June 21st, 2005 EST (#16)
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For the most part I appreciated her article too. The "women-were-once-more-oppressed-than-men-but-now-i t's-reversed" comment is a belief held by some MRA's as well. I respect it even if I don't entirely agree with it. She still did a good job in my opinion of saying something very few others are saying and I applaud her for it, and for saying what she believes. In some ways that comment can even help get her heard by those who might not otherwise listen.
Marc A.
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by K16 on 12:17 AM June 29th, 2005 EST (#21)
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Thank God someone here has some sense! When I found this sight I was suprised to find that almost every post had something bad to say about women. At least someone here isn't perpetrating the senseless sexism this sight is supposed to be against!
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Anonymous User writes "I am giving you a link to Kathleen Parker's