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by Anonymous User on 05:53 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#1)
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The pharmaceutical companies would not be competing to bring the male pill to market if they didn't already project big-time profits.
A safe male birth control solution is a no-brainer to become immediately popular and widely accepted.
Monogomous couples, either married or co-habiting, will use it as "extra" insurance complimenting the woman's birth control choice.
Condom sales will plummet because men have never enjoyed the "jimmy cap." (Though men engaging in sex with multiple partners will continue to use condoms as a necessary protection against STDs.)
Most importantly, the male pill will eliminate one of the main tactics that women have historically used to entrap men into marriage and lifetime financial servitude... i.e. the "accidental" pregnancy.
The "shotgun wedding" will become a thing of the past.
Welfare queens who have exploited the ADC (aid for dependent children)system as their main source of income will be severely inconvenienced.
The "Deadbeat Dad" Industry will decline when umarried men have control over their reproductive choices.
Already some feminist commentaries have warned that women "cannot trust men" to be responsible with a male-elective birth-control method.
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by Anonymous User on 06:38 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#3)
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From --
http://feministing.com/archives/000632.html
"The real issue, of course, is how many men would lie about having had "the shot." Too many women of my acquaintance got pregnant after sex with men claiming to have had vasectomies. Turns out, of course, those men had lied about having had a vasectomy."
Yep. This evil Patriarchal planet is just chock-full of men who lie about being infertile.
Must be because they just can't wait to enjoy 18 years of child support payments for a one-nighter!
"Hah... I fooled HER!"
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 07:49 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#4)
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If there is even one shred of truth to this, the only way I could ever see this happening is if the guy knew he would never see this woman again because he was on the next flight out of Dodge. Impregnating a woman without her consent is just as wrong as the reverse - getting pregnant under false pretenses. But then, the woman would have to be crazy not to use some form of protection just as the same goes for any man. I could be wrong, but I don't see this happening as often as this woman tries to portray. Too many men are learning that one night of indiscretion can lead to years of regret. Besides, with the current sentiment between untrusting men and unscrupulous women, men should relish the thought of having complete control over their reproductive choices. Feminist Gender Studies professor Dr. Hugo Schwyzer, Ph.D calls Choice for Men "profoundly offensive," explaining that "every man who ejaculates inside a woman, whether or not contraception is used, is signaling his willingness to become a father...the only real choice that men deserve in this situation is whether or not to have sex in the first place." -from Hissside.com HEY HUGO, GO FORNICATE YOURSELF!
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by bukowski on 09:57 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#6)
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People can be so dumb. Exactly why would a woman have to trust a man to be on the pill when they also have a pill and many other birth control methods to choose from. It is the case now that men are in the weaker position since men have so little birth control choices. The main choice being the condom which lessens the sexual feelings. While most female birth control methods do not cover women's genitals.
They're just saying that to project their own dishonesty onto men and demonize men because they're scared they'll lose their power. In my opinion.
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by cnewbyuk on 01:57 AM April 19th, 2005 EST (#9)
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Bukowski - agree with you totally. Whether a woman can trust a man or not should not even be a factor. But remember we are talking about creatures that only want rights NOT responsibility. Therefore the minute the male starts taking the pill - the chances are she will stop.
I am always harping on about the male pill - I will be first in line. Just imagine, a woman has to ask you - a man - for your permission to start a family. How powerful is that??!! The male pill WILL change poeples lives as much as the female pill did back in the day.
I firmly believe that we need to start an education program from now - educating men that they should use the pill until thay are as sure as they can be that they want to have children with their current partner/wife. If approached and used wisely, the male pill is very quickly reverse alot of the problems men face to day. It will also help highlight how men have been forced in parent-hood when they are not ready.
I suspect that women will very quickly attech some form of negative stigma to to men who use the pill to protect their own reproductive rights. Once women fully realise the impact of the male pill - watch what happens.
You gonna see women exploding with strogen-induced rage (quote from Mirror of the soul - great blog). LOL!!!!!!!!
cnewbyuk - British black dude who wants to become a dad, not a modern day slave
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by Anonymous User on 12:31 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#14)
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So this Dr. Hugo Schwyzer thinks that choice for men is "offencive", eh.
Well that is how we know that the male birth control pill IS a good thing. It is ALWAYS the right thing for men when the feminists (and their wussie-poopie puppet male dogs) are offended.
Why is choice for men "profoundly offencive", but the same kind of choice for women is perfectly fine?
(rhecorical question, of course.)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:33 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#15)
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Oops.
That should have been "RHETORICAL question" not "Rhecorical question".
Well,
I'm an idiot...,
Thundercloud.
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by ArtflDgr on 11:10 AM April 19th, 2005 EST (#13)
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Actually there are men out there that want to make women pregnant and as many as possible. many SEEM to come from the african continent or from haiti and jamaica... there is also a fetish online for this... so like any lasting stereotype it has its core of truth.
but as with any stereotype its wrapped in it doesnt apply enough to be a fact for all.
this topic has been a perinial one as we all salivate at the prospects. as to those women that cant trust men... well.. that depends on what you mean by RESPONSIBLE... it never ceases to amaze me that even MRA people dont read carefully... when a woman write read carefully!!!! responsibility is not just NOT getting someone pregnant... its also choosing to stop it when she may want to get pregnant... to them its irresponsible and childish to hold her reproductive rights hostage (as she sees it). so there is a lot in that one word that we use to assume that there are a whole bunch of circumscribed rules....
the downside is that populations are already dropping in most countries that hold the torch of freedom (ok, the new freedom, as opposed to the old freedom. new freedom is new and improved and while being less free than old freedom, is supposedly safer for all)... countries that are not there yet tend to have explosive child rates. china will not have to have a war... eventually they will be 8 billion to americas 100 million... then its just.... well you get the picture (Thats why there is such a big push to automate the military which is also a very dangerous thing, but withouht it we cant defend ourselves against all those we spent centuries pissing off and such).
the only thing i can say is that i wish that this came out while i was still young enough to enjoy it as a participant rather than a spectator (i am 40... there is no hooking up at 40 like there is now at 20)..
i predict that this will cause a whole lot of noise... i also predict that the women for the first time will stand up and protect men!!! huh? well as soon as one person has any side effect they will mobilze that its way to dangerous to be on the market! etc.
i definitely predict that the birth rate will fall faster than currently projected.
i predict that many relationships that would have ended in a cash cow for a lady will not end that way.
i will predict that taking the pill will be grounds for divorce, even though its not needed. i think it will be considered an act of cruelty like withholding sex is for men.
and i predict... the MRA people and the screwed men willl sit back have a julip and laugh laugh laugh... i can see it now...three old men on a porch swinging by and laughing... while looking at all the empty boarded up properties...
those will be the days!!!!
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by RG on 11:39 AM May 20th, 2005 EST (#22)
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I’m often encouraged by the awareness of the problem of not having a male pill found in the messages on sites like this. Correctly identifying a problem is surely the first step to solving it. However I think Men also need to understand that the male birth control pill (I call the (sperm protection pill) – because men don’t bear children. And the male pill will not stop a woman from becoming pregnant elsewhere.) will not be approved by the FDA without a struggle. A major struggle that will require widespread citizens advocacy on the part of those who really want to see it become a reality. Otherwise they will only continue their stall and delay campaign as they have for the last 20 years. The science is not the problem here. That riddle has already been solved. There are some sinister forces at work here. Economic, political-special-interest and social.
However I think we can find a solution to our plight if we take a clue from history and the drug (ENVOID). Which was used OFF-LABEL by over one half million women from the summer of 1957 until May 11, 1960 when the FDA caved in and approved it as the first female birth control pill. However women were not given this drug easily. They had to demand it because of the enormous opposition from the Church, the State, Medical Community and even the Family. Yes, there were risks. Yes, there were side effects. But the women at that time seemed to clearly understand the ends justified the means. And as a result of the actions of these courageous early feminist (like them or not, and I don’t. But I respect what they did) they dramatically improved their quality of life and changed history forever.
If men want the same results it is only logical that they must take the same actions. The means (for now) is Nifedipine or testicular heating and yes, there are risks and side effects. However, to a much lesser degree than the adverse reactions women suffered from the first pill. Having used both Nifedipine and testicular heating as (undetectable) male contraceptives I suffered no side effects at all personally. However I should disclose that I also researched, read and studied all the material I could find on these subjects for over a year. I also networked with other men that had (personal experience) with these contraceptives by e-mail from all over the world for advice. And (personally) interviewed the top two leading authorities on Nifedipine as a male contraceptive and the testicular heating method, Dr. Susan Benoff and Dr. Chris Jenks for a book I wrote in 2003-2004. As a result of my two year long quest for a male pill my personal results have been excellent. So much so that I founded the non-profit organization www.menforapill.org to share my experiences with the world and help accelerate the process of getting an official FDA approved male pill to market as soon as possible. All the documentation found on the site is verifiable and free because I believe it’s too valuable to sell.
In the final analogy the FDA will have no compelling reason to approve a male birth control pill / sperm protection pill unless we publicly embarrass them into doing so. Just as women had to do back in the late 1950’s. Which (I believe) is the next step after correctly identifying the problem.
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by Indiana Jones on 09:31 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Sorry to dissappoint you guys, but the "male birth pill" is probably not going to be released due to too much feminist pressure and lack of funding by the corrupt feminist government.
Much of the funding is provided by the governemtn, and much of the government is corrupted by feminism. Don't u think that they will stop funding the male birth pill?
The companies of these pills will be slapped with lawsuits after lawsuits by feminist and will be afraid to release the pills.
I can already smell it in our smelly vaginal air.
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 10:59 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Cripes, I hope you are wrong. But your observations are not without merit. I think I will do some digging on my own to try and find out if there are any American pharmaceutical companies that are actively trying to produce a male pill.
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by Anonymous User on 11:59 PM April 18th, 2005 EST (#8)
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If there's money in it, it will happen. Shareholders and the Stock Exchange trump feminists anytime, hands down.
It may be made expensive, or placed on restrictive lists or made "prescription only", all that is possible, but these are governmental/political decisions and can easily be cirumvented. Some enterpising country or company will make them available "on line" or "over (or even 'under')the counter or some tin-pot principality or island republic will promote them to attract tourists or revenue or something like that. Where there's a will, there's a way.
But suppress a potential billionm-dollar profit bonanza? No way. It's like herding cats -it can't be done - well, except, perhaps maybe in Sweden, but who cares? They have Gudrun to give them comfort and a fat lot of good may it do them.
Neale
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by Yanyan on 03:30 AM April 19th, 2005 EST (#10)
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Lets anticipate the feminazi's next move.
Suppose we already have the male pill. The sisters may fight long and hard against but it will surely come, as most brothers who posted comments agree that it will.
The birth rate will plummet. Men will not have to work so hard because they don't have all those un-planned children to support etc etc. Governments will panic and chains of nationally funded insemination clinics will be set up.
The clients of these clinics will receive generous payments to support themselves and the children that result.
How will all this be paid for? Perhaps men who don't have children will be obliged to pay additional tax - CMT, childless male tax. Or perhaps swingeing taxes will be levied on sales of the pills, making them outrageously expensive.
Are we going to let this happen? Forewarned is fore-armed.
Nice quote from Robert Redford in 'Spy Game' - "When did Noah build the Ark? . . BEFORE it rained."
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by cnewbyuk on 04:17 AM April 19th, 2005 EST (#11)
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Yanyan - I agree with you to a point. But we have what all women want. Short of imprisoning us for it, (will never happen - not if the goverments don't want a war on their hands) we have control. If we are not giving our sperm to women, and the banks run dry - then what? It's like fighting fire with a bigger fire.
cnewbyuk - British black dude who wants to become a dad, not a modern day slave
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by RG on 11:43 AM May 20th, 2005 EST (#23)
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I’m often encouraged by the awareness of the problem of not having a male pill found in the messages on sites like this. Correctly identifying a problem is surely the first step to solving it. However I think Men also need to understand that the male birth control pill (I call the (sperm protection pill) – because men don’t bear children. And the male pill will not stop a woman from becoming pregnant elsewhere.) will not be approved by the FDA without a struggle. A major struggle that will require widespread citizens advocacy on the part of those who really want to see it become a reality. Otherwise they will only continue their stall and delay campaign as they have for the last 20 years. The science is not the problem here. That riddle has already been solved. There are some sinister forces at work here. Economic, political-special-interest and social.
However I think we can find a solution to our plight if we take a clue from history and the drug (ENVOID). Which was used OFF-LABEL by over one half million women from the summer of 1957 until May 11, 1960 when the FDA caved in and approved it as the first female birth control pill. However women were not given this drug easily. They had to demand it because of the enormous opposition from the Church, the State, Medical Community and even the Family. Yes, there were risks. Yes, there were side effects. But the women at that time seemed to clearly understand the ends justified the means. And as a result of the actions of these courageous early feminist (like them or not, and I don’t. But I respect what they did) they dramatically improved their quality of life and changed history forever.
If men want the same results it is only logical that they must take the same actions. The means (for now) is Nifedipine or testicular heating and yes, there are risks and side effects. However, to a much lesser degree than the adverse reactions women suffered from the first pill. Having used both Nifedipine and testicular heating as (undetectable) male contraceptives I suffered no side effects at all personally. However I should disclose that I also researched, read and studied all the material I could find on these subjects for over a year. I also networked with other men that had (personal experience) with these contraceptives by e-mail from all over the world for advice. And (personally) interviewed the top two leading authorities on Nifedipine as a male contraceptive and the testicular heating method, Dr. Susan Benoff and Dr. Chris Jenks for a book I wrote in 2003-2004. As a result of my two year long quest for a male pill my personal results have been excellent. So much so that I founded the non-profit organization www.menforapill.org to share my experiences with the world and help accelerate the process of getting an official FDA approved male pill to market as soon as possible. All the documentation found on the site is verifiable and free because I believe it’s too valuable to sell.
In the final analogy the FDA will have no compelling reason to approve a male birth control pill / sperm protection pill unless we publicly embarrass them into doing so. Just as women had to do back in the late 1950’s. Which (I believe) is the next step after correctly identifying the problem.
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by Anonymous User on 12:51 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#16)
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Only the feminists could get this upset at the fact that this M.B.C. pill will give the genders TRUE equality.
So if you ever needed proof that the femaroids are not for real equality, Well, there you are.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by khankrumthebulgar on 02:02 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#17)
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Translation in FemSpeak "Men cannot be trusted to do what is in Women's interests and to their Men's detriment." Women have 100% of the control over reproduction in relationships. It extends even to Women sexual predators who have sex with minors get pregnant then sue for child support. This is financial rape of the Males who were abused by their predator over a 18 year period. Funny Andrea Dworkin nor Catherine MacKinnon seem to care about that fact one iota. Men need to turn off the baby spigot then maybe these dirtbag Judges and elected officials will get a reality check. When the only babies being born are to illegal immigrants maybe these gutless enablers of Feminazi irresponsibility will restore some gender equity to our culture. Don't hold your breath though.
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 04:23 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#18)
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Biotech firm licenses UMMS technology that prevents sperm from swimming
January 31, 2005
This is the most recent article I could find regarding MBC research. From the many other articles I read, (mostly 2 to 5 years old) this one sounds like the best of the best. The most encouraging news, NO hormones and NO side effects! I don't know how to add a functional hyperlink so for those of you that would like to read the article, please cut and paste. http://www.umassmed.edu/pap/news/2005/01_31_05.cfm
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by Anonymous User on 06:41 PM April 19th, 2005 EST (#19)
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Argument #1: Men cannot be trusted to take the pill.
Response: Women should remain on their birth control pills. And insist on condoms if necessary.
If BOTH the man and the woman are on the pill, one can serve as back up for the other. It's called redundancy.
Argument #2: The birth rate will fall.
Response: The birth rate cannot fall below zero, so the advent of a male pill will likely overlap female contraception usage. Only if every man on the pill mates with a woman not using contraception (HIGHLY unlikely) will the birth rate fall.
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by Anonymous User on 11:48 AM April 21st, 2005 EST (#20)
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A more reliable form of non permanent birth control for males.
I don't think the birth rate will falter that much. If anything, it will create more responsible families, because BOTH parties would have to agree to concieve, instead of a trick from either or, it would be emotionally healthyer for children in the long run knowing they were wanted and loved by both parents instead of one parent being forced into the situation under duress and broadcasting their resentment onto the child.
it takes 2 to create a baby.
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by khankrumthebulgar on 12:58 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#21)
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The current situation gives all control over reproduction to Women. The baby lottery is an excuse for Women to gain financial support from Men regardless if they want to participate or not. When we shut off the spigot we regain a measure of Power again. If we refuse to cooperate and Father Children. The Women will have to be more amenable towards us or game over. This is long overdue. Women who are already desperate for Children will have to alter their behavior or be childless. I think this is wonderful. Love it.
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Anonymous User writes "Glenn Sacks' newest column "Do Women Really Want a Male Birth Control Pill?" (Newsday, 4/11/05) discusses the transfer of power that will occur when the male pill is marketed. Read the column