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by khankrumthebulgar on 02:42 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#1)
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Daily we see the Judicial war being waged against Fathers. We now have a debtors prison for Men only. And the Party of Free Speech helped brick by brick to wage this war against indigent Fathers. So the Demofrauds who say they are for the poor are instead for the Legal Profession, corrupt Judges, Social Workers and this huge machine of oppression against Men. Every 17 minutes we have a Man commit suicide in the US and
nobody notices.
This is outrageous. This man should take his son leave the US and go to a country without extradition agreements with the US. Child Support that exceeds your income how insane is this Bastard of a Judge. I would tell the Son of A B#$%^ to kiss my A#$. We have created a Gulag System for Men with the approval of both Political Parties. Boycott all incumbents and Boycott American Women. If you marry an American Woman you are certifiably looney.
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by Anonymous User on 03:29 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#2)
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"Every 17 minutes we have a Man commit suicide in the US ".
Amazing!!.
"Child Support that exceeds your income how insane is this Bastard of a Judge".
Child support, what ever ammount of it, is insane, give custody of children to some people and the force other people to support them, conveniently redifening support as being force to performe slave labor.
No rights, no responsabilities, thats the definition of slavery responsabilities without rights.
I am sure this judge is not muslim, No islamic judge will ever take children from their father gives them to the mother and then force the father to support the child, and performe slave labor for the women, so the woman can become a parsite that has children and do not work to support them neither work for a living.
The simple idea is nauseating, but is the norm in juedo-christian societies,
The custody laws are "quite logical," Muhammad said. "A child comes from the seed of a man. The woman is the soil in which the seed is planted. A man is fully entitled to the fruit of his seed."
No christianism no feminism as simple as that.
The more a western society is influenced by christian values the more demeaning the status of men, more men in jail, more men plundered, children taken away, sent to wars, more and more responsabilities, and less and less rights.
The society more influenced by christianism, were more percentage wise people go to church is USA, and is the country were men are worst treated.
The more secular a society is, or islamic, the less christian is, the better the staus of men.
Under christian values Women first, Men always, always second.
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by Anonymous User on 10:02 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#12)
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Men are treated like slaves because of feminism, not Christianity. And it's not necesary to kill anyone to solve this problem. The answer is for men and women of good will to protest personally and publicly, democratically and non-violently.
I read that Iraqi Muslim women leaders in democratic Iraq are just saying no to Western-feminazi family law. I greatly admire their courage and their intelligence and their love for men as human beings. It's time for men and women in the U.S. to show the democratic courage that Iraqi women are showing.
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by HombreVIII on 01:50 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#17)
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"And it's not necesary to kill anyone to solve this problem."
Killing the judge might not be necessary to solve the overall problem, but he does deserve to die, and it probably wouldn't hurt.
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by Anonymous User on 03:39 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#3)
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Hardly a day goes by without the press reporting about some new outrage perpetrated against women and girls in Islamic countries. How can we in the West stand idlely by while women and girls are treated as little more than sub-humans in these Islamic countries ?
We must put an end to the barbaric practices that exist in many of these Islamic countries which demean and subjugate women.
Included amongst these practices are :
the belief that women's lives are somehow of less value than those of men's e.g.
It is quiet common for women in Islamic countries to be employed in jobs which are considered too dangerous for men simply because society
regards their lives as being less valuable than men's.
It is standard practice in many Islamic countries to rescue the men and children from a fire or accident first, before the women are rescued.
In some of the more extreme Islamic countries, women are expected to give up their lives so that men and children will not be harmed.
the belief that women should be treated more harshly than men e.g. It is quiet common in Islamic countries for women to be sent to prison
for crimes which men are normally pardoned or paroled.
It is standard practice in many Islamic countries to have health centres exclusively for men while at the same time having no comparable health services for women.
In some of the more extreme Islamic countries, the muslim men are "outraged" by the thought that men might be placed in prison conditions which are almost as bad as those in women's prisons.
the belief that the type of clothes worn by women in public must be restricted e.g.
It is quiet common in Islamic countries for women to ridiculed and demeaned for wearing pants in public while men are free to wear whatever they wish.
It is standard practice in many Islamic countries for large clothing stores to allocate most of their floor space and advertising dollar to
men's clothing and to virtually ignore women's clothing needs.
In some of the more extreme Islamic countries, it is considered unnatural for women to be interested in wearing any other clothing than that dictated by strict social custom.
the belief that children are little more than men's property e.g.
It is quiet common in Islamic countries for men to awarded custody of their children following divorce as though the children were somehow
the property of the father.
It is standard practice is many Islamic countries for mothers to be excluded from their children's lives following divorce and most Islamic courts legally sanction this barbaric practice.
However women are forced to "support" those children, and "support" , translates into performing slave labor for men, under the threat of incarceration.
In some of the more extreme Islamic countries, it is quiet common for government children's welfare payments to be sent directly to the fathers under the presumption that they are ones solely responsible for the upbringing of their children.
Only women are sent to wars, they are considered cannon fodder.
At this point in time, your sense of anger and outrage towards Islamic society must be approaching boiling point. Surely, in this day and
age, we must put a stop to the way women and girls are treated in Islamic societies. It repugnant and no longer acceptable. Women must be treated as FULL human being and not as some form of subspecies.
Now replace the word women by men and islamic by Christian. Juedeo-Christian values are poisonous, so much, as to drive to extinction the very same societies that embrace them.
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by canaryguy
(nospam.canaryguy@nospam.stealthfool.com)
on 04:18 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#4)
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Hardly a day goes by without the press reporting about some new outrage perpetrated against women and girls in Islamic countries. How can we in the West stand idlely by while women and girls are treated as little more than sub-humans in these Islamic countries ?
Note: A lot of feminist whining is sliced out.
Easy. I don't live in an Islamic country. If this is so distressing for you Anonymous troll, move to an Islamic country and work for change there!
Anonymous, your posting reminds me so much of feminists in the mid-90's. Their demands were simple: Meet all of their demands and then they will be for treating men and boys as human.
Unfortunately for every demand met two more demands were made to take the place or the original demand. This is definitely an abusive policy put out by feminists.
You Anonymous have to make a choice. Either you treat all humans as human and worthy of life or you don't. Yes or no.
Like it or not, if you think you can treat males as humans on a conditional basis you have selected "No." as your answer.
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by Anonymous User on 04:37 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#5)
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Is it just me or have you missed the "sarcasm" side of the post you quoted? Read the very last paragraph. I noticed it was sarcasm from the very beggining but maybe it eluded you? :/
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by Anonymous User on 06:33 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#7)
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He couldnīt finished the post, to mad, hehehehe.
I hope he reads your comment.
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by canaryguy
(nospam.canaryguy@nospam.stealthfool.com)
on 06:48 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#9)
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He couldnīt finished the post, to mad, hehehehe.
I hope he reads your comment.
Arrrrgh! Yes. Apologies to everyone...
My eyes glazed over about 20-25 lines in. I suspect it might be a little too close to how feminists in the field whine on and on and on and on... All without any concern for anyone but themselves...
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by Luek on 05:27 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#6)
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If women in a foreign country were treated like men are in the so-called civilized West we would send in the US Marines to liberate them from unacceptable and immoral state imposed tyranny.
Since it would be a moral crusade of the hightest order our battle cry would be: "kill misogynists for Christ!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:43 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#8)
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In islamic countries men get custody of children, but women are not forced to support them, rights and responsabilities goes together.
However in the west custody is given to women, men forced to support them, properties taken away, and the meaning of supporting children streched to the point of allowing women to profit from male slave labor.
There are no society in the world that treats women as bad as men are treated in the west. And i agree, with there would be one, USA would be making plan to invade it, no doubts about it.
Unless it has nuclar weapons, in such a case would use economic sanctions.
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Hang about a minute:
Charles Dickens wrote about men being sent to prison for Debts incurred by their wives, up-to-date and now men are sent to prison for not maintaining their 'former' wives in the fashion they would like to become accustomed to !
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 04:12 AM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#14)
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Charles Dickens wrote about men being sent to prison for Debts incurred by their wives
Can you give us any more details of that? Which book was it? Thanks in advance...
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 03:13 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#18)
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The reference may be to "Little Dorritt"
Neale
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Hi AngyMan,
Cannot recall from my poor memory, however, towards the end of Oliver Twist (I believe) Mr Bumble was in danger of prison because his wife had purloined the locket (the only possession of Olivers dying mother). Bumble questioned how a man could be held so responsible and was told "it is the Law." Whereupon Bumble declared that "The Law must be a Batchellor if it believed such."
Incidently, Dickens was for a time a solicitors and court clerk, before becoming a reporter on the courts. He hated the duplicity and corruption of the courts, and lambasted same many a time.
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by crescentluna
(evil_maiden @ yahoo.com)
on 04:28 AM March 23rd, 2005 EST (#22)
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Heheh, now this is only from Michael Crichton's research but there was a female counterfeiter who, being caught red-handed, declared "what? THIS? Oh, uhm, it was all my husband's idea! He MADE me do it!" and was let off.
My mom, the feminist's, response? "there was a law like that, but it wasn't actually enforced. They wouldn't REALLY let a woman get away with a crime."
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by Anonymous User on 12:56 PM March 23rd, 2005 EST (#26)
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I thought that legend had it that the first wave feminists would have been damned happy to be arrested and sent to prison. It's clear that feminism (like many -isms out there today) are merely fighting for their members' advantage over others.
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by Anonymous User on 08:12 PM March 21st, 2005 EST (#11)
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"Now replace the word women by men and islamic by Christian"
Splendid post, with the exception of the above quote. We live in a Feminist, and not a Christian, society.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 02:39 AM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#13)
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How ever christian values is what permits feminism to prosper.
Feminism is about rigths without responsabilities for women, christians would want to spare women form responsabilities but along that give women less rights.
Children and women in traditional christian societies had no property rights and had to obey men, in return men had to support them, women had not to support children, but men were the ones to decide having children and educate them, it was balanced.
Christians do not want women to be sent to wars, do not want women to support children, do not want women to work and pay taxes, in this they agree with feminists.
But to balance that ,no right to vote, no properties rights, no custody, and so on, things that ofcourse feminists do not want at all.
For feminists it is about male slavery, for christian is about balance, equity not equallity.
Feminist just want the priviledges of the old society wihtout the responsabilities attached to them, but Christians are powerless, no even try to remove all those new rights from women. (vote, custody, property rights, right to work, etc).
As a rersult when talking about women rights (1) christian influence becomes redundant, but when talking about women priviledges they both collude, and only this, is what makes those double standarts possible, and only this makes feminism prosper arround the west.
(1) Talking about reducing their rights to balance the lesser responsabilities.
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by Anonymous User on 12:15 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#15)
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I may be Cherokee but like many other Cherokees I am a Christian, and I don't want to treat women any less or more equal than men. I don't know any other Cherokee Christians that do.
You have to be careful when you say "Chistians want this" or "Christians want that".
I know there are Christians who believe just the way you have stated, but we can't paint with a broad brush. That's the way alot of feminists do.
(Did I just paint with a broad brush, myself???)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:15 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#20)
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Sure there are different christian views, like there are different sorts of feminism, but talking statiscally that would be the midle of the Gauss distribution.
For example the spanish divorce law was made by "Episcopal convention" in 1978, and since then children awarded to the mother and father force to support the children and as much as possible the mother. The point is to try to divorce people but somehow, try to force them to remain married, the aberration is that after marriage women are entitle to the same rights without any responsaility at all.
For christian women must not support thier children, and are entitled to be social parasites that lives at the expense of men, just do not get that no female obligation to serve and obey men, no right to be supported by men, custody rights, support obligation.
They understand the part of rights to women, but donīt get the part about responsabilities.
I agree, religions evolve, no more inquisition for example, and yes the earth is not flat anymore, wow!!, and whereas there are different views relating to the roles of men and women, in general
christianism colludes with feminism regarding sparing women from responsabilities.
And that is what allows feminism to prosper, it is an opinion that i held long time ago, but each time it is more clear for me.
Divorce is a failure for christian, is natural for muslim, so the very same approach to family rights is completly different, divorce has existed in islam for centuries, and they are not so stupid like to give custody to a person and then force another to support this child, if marriage is over, is over, the responsabilities frome men to women and the responsabilities from women to men.
One could say that in reality divorce does not exist in the west as the law coerce divorcess to have responsabilities after divorce, the divorce law has never had in mind beeing fair but to be a deterrent to divorce, they tought that men were the ones asking for it so they mada laws to punish men that divorced.
Is obvious the influence of christianism in western family laws, within christianins we have puritanism that explain why puritan countries have the toughest laws regarding male sexuality, date rape, reckless sex, and so on.
I hope you et mu points.
Take care!!
PD: Whatever!!, in less than 20 years or so, christians will be wiped out of Europe, so really donīt care at all.
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by cosmo on 08:22 AM March 23rd, 2005 EST (#23)
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Speaking as someone of Islamic origin, the same applies to Muslims. That Islamic governments are often amongst the worst misogynists does not mean that they are representative of all Muslims, and it does not mean that they define or correctly adhere to Islam itself. (and they definitely have their brutally misandrist sides, too)
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by Anonymous User on 09:18 AM March 23rd, 2005 EST (#24)
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"That Islamic governments are often amongst the worst misogynists does not mean that they are representative of all Muslims."
1) Men get custody of their children, but they do not force women to support them, much less redefine the word support as the right of men to pimp women, so they not only have custody of children without any financial responsability, but they can profit from that, and in some cases become social parasites that do not even work to support themselves.
2) "misogynists" It seems there are two model of societies, one in wich women needs and whimps are paramount and men needs are ignored... WESTERN SOCIETIES.
An another model that is just the other way arround, (not really so, it is more balanced), so as anyone can see the societies with the first model are dying out, societies where men needs matters proliferate.
Besides beeing a western man, i care as much about women needs and rights, as jews living under the Nazi regime, would have cared about arians.
Just calculate the worries feminist have about men rights and needs, and divide it by ten, and aproximately you will have an idea of how much i care about women needs, and rights, and is not just me, i know a lot of friends that even care less than i do, and the number is growing.
For me trying to fix the problems of western societies is a waste of time and energy, Here in Europe all countries hace two major political parties wich more or less the same ammounts of votes, so just one million votes less or more gives the goverment to one party or another.
There is the women vote, there is the gay vote, political parties know they tend to vote in blocks
so they pamper them, but there is not a similar men vote block, however muslims vote in block, and as long as there are huge number of them in every european country, they are pampered, in France the party that enrages islamic population will never win, so beeing a minority, at the moment, they get a lot of political power, as to pass laws to bring their relatives, to respect their traditions, and within that............. islamic family rights, by the way, that is why in France 50.000 locals a year convert to islam.
As wester locals have 1 child or less, and islamic migrants have 3,8 on average, plus hundreds of thousands that enter Europe each year, thatīs without taking in account Turkey membership of the Union, wich will bring 70 million muslims into Europe, is just a matter of time that they will be in control, and then feminism will disappear, no doubt about it.
It is wester women that should do everthing possible to make the laws more male friendly, not men, for men is just a matter of time, we must do nothing, well just do not get married and have children so the west dies out as fast as possible, or convert to islam and marriage a western convert or an imported wife, or wives, ;-)), have 7 or 9 children that will add to the right side.
But what are women doing it?, nothing at all, well not really, they want more priviledges, they want to pass more laws to send meles to prision, more laws to steal men properties, and so on.
In Engalnd there are just arround 900,000 people attending church, much less than muslims, very soon there wonīt be any church left, that day men will have family rights again.
Cheers!!
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by Anonymous User on 05:01 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#19)
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Whether Christianity " allows feminism to prosper" or not is something of a sideissue. Your underlying thesis is one with which I wholeheartededly I agree, namely that feminism is about preservation (and enhancement) of traditional female gender privileges in tandem with the offloading of traditional female gender burdens.
The aim is gender inequality in which men will have the status of blacks in pre Civil war America. To a large extent, this has already been achieved.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 12:49 PM March 22nd, 2005 EST (#16)
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Yes that's exactly what it seems like to me, too. RANSOM.
Too many ex-wives are holding our children for ransom. It HAS GOT TO STOP!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Ragtime writes "A man whose 'support' payments are set at higher than 100% of his income has tried to sell one of his kidneys on eBay. For two reasons, I just about couldn't believe my eyes when I came across