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by Anonymous User on 07:18 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#1)
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...it should take about ten years of appeals before he is executed. (Unless the prosecution really pushes for it)
He may yet escape death.
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by Tumescent on 09:00 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#2)
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First, Scott Peterson is a scumbag for doing this thing, that much is clear. I don't know what the law is in California concerning the killing of a fetus in the commssion of a crime against a pregnant woman, but I thought it interesting that the fetus (even though it could be legally aborted at the choice of the mother) was referred to with a given name prior to its birth. The article called him "Conner". If Laci had decided to have an abortion, I guess nobody would have referred to the aborted fetus as "Conner". I don't know what point I'm trying to make here, I just thought it interesting.
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by Particle Man on 10:12 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#3)
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I've had it. I said if Scott (scumbag that he is) was sentenced to death for the same thing that women do every day (and get T-shirts saying "I had an abortion") that this would be the final straw. I will not allow this double standard anymore, in law, in life, in marriage, in divorce, in the home and in the court, that's IT. What the hell can we do? How the hell can we get anyone to listen to the fact that men are second-class citizens in this country now? People just laugh you off! We have to band together and take some kind of serious action. I'm up for anything.
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by Anonymous User on 03:15 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#9)
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"What the hell can we do?"
Join NCFM.
Goto Mensbiz and see if you can find a T-shirt to publicize how you feel about some issue. I wore EQUAL JUSTICE FOR MEN to a church, men's group last night. A couple of weeks ago I drove down Hollywood and Sunset Blvd's. with a 4' X 8" sign in the bed of my truck that said "PATERNITY FRAUD IS DEADBEAT GOVERNMENT." I even got an article published on line this week. I know how frustrated you feel. I used to feel that way. Now I write an article, wear a tee shirt, protest, and I actually consider myself to be in kind of a lull right now as far as activism, but I'm working on some new ideas.
If you can find a few other guys who share your feelings and can protest a court house, or some other anti-male event you'd be surprised how much better you feel and you will be helping to change things. Even just wearing a Mensbiz T-shirt can be rather rewarding, when you see people rubber necking your T-shirt.
The best feeling I ever got protesting was when I drove by an International Women's Day protest with my truck and a 4' X 8' sign in the bed that said, "FEMINIST LIES MAKE BAD LAWS." A friend following behind me in his vehicle called on the cell phone to tell me, "Hey that lady just gave you the finger." About an hour later as I was laughing about that, when the thought ran through my head, "That was not lady."
One things for sure, I get a lot of looks and reactions - some happy to see me, some not so happy to see me.
I let people know I'm a men's rights activist. People who are really my friends still are. I make no apologys for being an MRA. I have a good friend in NCFM who I saw conduct himself that way, and I admired his candor so much I imitated his example.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM March 18th, 2005 EST (#24)
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Good advice, Ray.
B.T.W., I am planning on makeing a T-shirt that says;
"THE MEDIA IS WRONG, IT'S
OKAY TO BE A MAN!!"
I don't know when I'll get around to makeing it, but I will as soon as I can.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
P.S.
To everyone who prayed for my Mother, who has been sick with pneumonia, Thank you. She is doing MUCH better and is now out of the hospital.
Thank you, again!
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by Particle Man on 10:16 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I've had it. I said if Scott (scumbag that he is) was sentenced to death for the same thing that women do every day (and get T-shirts saying "I had an abortion") that this would be the final straw. I will not allow this double standard anymore, in law, in life, in marriage, in divorce, in the home and in the court, that's IT. What the hell can we do? How the hell can we get anyone to listen to the fact that men are second-class citizens in this country now? People just laugh you off! We have to band together and take some kind of serious action. I refuse to sit back and just get angrier every day at this injustice and do nothing. I'm up for anything.
(Sorry about the double post I'm still learning this board, you can delete the link one.)
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by Tumescent on 10:32 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I am unsure of what Peterson was actually found guilty of. Was he found guilty of murdering his wife, or was he found guilty of murdering his wife and the fetus? The article clearly states he is being sentenced to death for two murders, but I don't know if he was actually convicted of two murders or one. Was it because the fetus was found dead sepreately outside of Laci Peterson? Did that make a difference? Then why do all the newpapers call it an unborn son? Can a woman legally have an abortion at 8 months? If she can have an abortion at 8 months then how can it be considered two murders in this case?
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by Tumescent on 10:47 PM March 16th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Sorry to reply to my own post but I think I found the answer. Peterson was convicted of first degree murder of Laci and second degree murder of the "unborn son". So I belive the difference between 1st and 2nd degree is premeditation. So--what would have happened if Laci had somehow lived but the baby died, would Peterson been found guilty of 2nd degree murder of the fetus-- and assault on Laci? I still don't know if a woman can legally have an abortion at 8 months. My wife says no they can't but I'm not sure.
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by shawn on 02:45 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#7)
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I still don't know if a woman can legally have an abortion at 8 months. My wife says no they can't but I'm not sure.
In the United States, a woman can have an abortion at any time during pregnancy. Most people do not know this. This is one reason so many people are opposed to partial birth abortion. A hole is drilled in the skull of an 8 month old fetus and the brains are sucked out. But it's a woman's choice.
If Scott had killed only Lacy, he could not have been sentenced to death. He was sentenced to death because he killed his wife and fetus.
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by Particle Man on 11:45 PM March 17th, 2005 EST (#19)
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I was told repeatedly that under the laws where he committed the crime, he could not have gotten the death penalty for 1 murder, it was only the "murder" of the fetus that allowed it. So that is why he is being put to death for doing what women are legally allowed to do.
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by shawn on 02:04 AM March 18th, 2005 EST (#20)
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I believe you have this part wrong. Scott was convicted of 1st degree murder for killing Laci, which is subject to the death penalty. He was convicted of 2nd degree murder for killing the "unborn son", and 2nd degree murder is not subject to the death penalty.
In California, a single conviction of first degree murder is not sufficient to receive the death penalty. There needs to be extenuating or aggrevating circumstances beyond the first degree murder. These circumstances can be killing a police officer, sexually abusing and killing a child, etc. It also can be killing another person during the first degree murder. The second murder can be in 2nd degree, which is what happened with Scott Peterson. In this case, the aggrevating circumstance was the 2nd degree murder of the fetus.
In California, killing a woman cannot result in the death penalty. Killing a woman and her fetus can result in the death penalty. It's a blob of tissue when a woman has it killed. It's an innocent child when a man has it killed.
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by Anonymous User on 01:18 PM March 18th, 2005 EST (#25)
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...Anyone else getting a head ache...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:01 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#8)
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I said if Scott (scumbag that he is) ........
If a woman kills his husband becouse he was violent, and was so desperate saw no way out of this situation, the law would not protect her, no recourse, no WAVA, .............. she would have been excused, she would be a victim a hero, men killers have also received medals in England.
If women had no choice treated like scum, forced to have children against their will, and then forced to be pimped by the very same men that did that to them and stole their children, everyone would undestand that under such situation some with no recourse would resort to killing.
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by Anonymous User on 03:25 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#10)
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At this stage of the misandric development across western democracy the "pact of mutual assistance" as a form of self preservation is overdue. In order to protect our selves and our sons from state harrassment , extortion, jailment and murder we need to agglomorate into partisan-guilds. This is an historic political form that served its members very well indeed.
I am proposing this political form purely in recognition of the fact that every and any institutions in western socioety have been contaminated with man-hatred. And this hate is of a strain soo virulent as to compell a response that recognises that only amongst ourselves can we find comfort or redemption in day to day life
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by bro on 06:25 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#11)
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While I'll agree with everyone here that Scott's a scumbag, but something about this trial has been bothering me, mostly with his death sentancing. If you had noticed, that his wife's parents and friends all got to say something to him, to vent their rage at him. The judge was allowed to vent his anger at Scott. Heck, after the trial was over some jury members went to press and vented at Scott over the air waves (One woman arrogently went so far as to tell Scott that he had to look someone in their eyes when they are talking to him.). Yet his parents were not allowed to say anything and were basicly gaged by the judge. That disturbs me, why would you allow all these people who are pissed off at him, yet not allow his own parents to talk?
This whole trial just reaks of radical feminism and their standards. It's ok for a woman too abort the fetus (Heck I even read on a blog where the blogger went so far as to say that abortion is only a woman's right and men have no say in the matter.), but if a man kills a pregnant woman, watch out! We've been hearing that murder of pregnant women has reached epidemic levels, yet when you look at the all the people murdered last year, the amount of pregnant women mudered amounts to less then .05%.
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by Anonymous User on 07:03 AM March 18th, 2005 EST (#22)
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Well, the blogger was correct, it is only women that have a choice on whether to have an abortion or not. That is pretty obvious because they are carrying the fetus/child.
What a joke!!, so what?, it takes two to make a child and it takes two to agree on that, children does not spawn overnight, it takes nine months, undesire sex is called rape and men are sent to jail for that in droves every year, undesired children should automatically sent those female scum directly to the electric chair.
But well, we can be more compasionate, lets in those cases give custody to the father and force the woman to surrender 70% of her income, eh!! magic!!, no more undesired children wow!!!.
PS: Or place the child into adoption, by no means should a rapist be given custody of a child, is not in the best unteres of a child to be risen by a criminal, by lowlife rapist.
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by Anonymous User on 09:05 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#14)
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Allowing the victims family and friends to vent to the court and to have their say is a part of the process. There was nothing unusual about this. This is traditional, at least in the US. After the trail is over, the jury members are then free to express their opinions about the case. It happens all the time in big cases. Let's not forget who killed who here. Laci Peterson is dead. On your other point, here is the quote from the article...
"Brent Rocha, Laci Peterson's brother, read a statement addressed to Peterson, saying that “your delusional life would have been over” if their child had been born.
“What a liar!” Scott Peterson’s father, Lee, responded before the judge admonished him. Lee Peterson then left the courtroom."
Who knows, had Peterson's father not interrupted, he might have had his chance to speak. Instead he chose to leave the court. So, it's hard to say there was a radical feminist conspiracy about this part of the process.
I understand some of your frustration here, but I don't think this is a good example of a trial reeking of radical feminism, at least not for the reasons you pointed out.
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by Anonymous User on 11:03 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#16)
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"'Brent Rocha, Laci Peterson's brother, read a statement addressed to Peterson, saying that “your delusional life would have been over” if their child had been born.
“What a liar!” Scott Peterson’s father, Lee, responded before the judge admonished him. Lee Peterson then left the courtroom.'"
Redwood City would be a good place to have a Choice for Men rally.
How about signs saying: FATHERS ARE MORE THAN WALLETS, or WHY IS IT LEGAL FOR WOMEN TO MURDER BABIES or STOP DESTROYING MALE LIVES WITH DRACONIAN FEMINIST LAWS or WOMEN WILL BE SAFER WHEN MEN HAVE THE SAME REPRODUCTIVE PRIVILEGES AS WOMEN
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 07:06 AM March 18th, 2005 EST (#23)
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"WOMEN WILL BE SAFER WHEN MEN HAVE THE SAME REPRODUCTIVE PRIVILEGES AS WOMEN"
Like this one.
Cheers!!
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by Anonymous User on 10:30 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#15)
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With more than sufficient evidence to prove this case - this man was a killer. Scott P was not a decent human being.
The other issue here is that this murder has become a national media campaign waged by the feminists to continue to vilify normal hetero men. Since this murder countless other people have been murdered - many done by woman, yet this case presented a nice way to spread misandry to the masses. The greedy monster husband strikes again…
The message here is that nice normal hetero-woman are potentially marrying a murderous male monster. Any woman could look at Scott and see that he was likely the type that they could have ended up marrying.
There was another spouse murder in Boston (I believe the Stewart case...) in the 80's that became national news. The feminist media mainstreams violent acts against woman (like this murder) and makes them a national news topic. This way the feminist messages of “male-bad female-good” can always get broadcast to the masses. Murders usually only get local news coverage.
In the case of the Texas mother who killed her WHOLE family one at a time in a bathtub - this made national attention. And the mainstream media did put spin on it - the mother was "oppressed" by the husband because she had to do motherly duties. NOW even provided defense for her. Yates needed therapy was the message.
For Scott, the media (liberals) wanted his demise. He was portrayed as nothing but a monster.
The difference is - men are viewed as monsters when they do bad, women are viewed as victims when they do bad.
George Orwell had nothing compared to the thought (emotion) control going on in contemporary media.
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by Anonymous User on 11:16 AM March 17th, 2005 EST (#17)
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"The other issue here is that this murder has become a national media campaign waged by the feminists to continue to vilify normal hetero men."
Truck signs are hard to make but there are a lot of media outlets in L.A. as in other big cities so lots of places to drive around. Most are in the Hollywood/Burbank area. Here are some truck signs in the hopper.
MALE-HATING
JOURNALISTS
HARM US ALL
and
JOURNALISM IS (13 letters)
SEXIST & HATEFUL (16 letters, but cramable)
AGAINST MALES (13)
The rules for truck signs are:
no more than 7 words
15 letters per line
3 lines
With the 8 inch letters I'm using the words are very visible. I'm going to try some graphic images this Summer using 3 to 5 little words like EQUAL JUSTICE FOR MEN and a Statue of Liberty on a red and white striped background.
I thought I'd be further along on all this stuff now that I have more time, but getting organized to do all these things is a real challenge.
Ray
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by Luek on 06:13 PM March 17th, 2005 EST (#18)
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Robert Blake spent $10 million to get off and OJ spent about the same with his "dream team" but Scott was only a lowly fertilizer salesman.
Would he still have been convicted if he had been a rich movie star or football player?
I personally believe all three did kill their wives.
Blake should have gotten a medal for public service in getting rid of that bloodsucking golddigger!
OJ should have been convicted.
Scott Peterson is a victim of lack of post conceptional parental choice for men, something women have had since 1973. Also, I would doubt if he would have been sentenced to death if he had only killed his non pregnant wife. Killing a fetus aggravated his case. Just how someone can be convicted of killing a non-viable tissue mass shows just how screwed up the value systems are in this country after suffering 30 plus years of gender feminist tyranny. Remember his wife could have aborted the fetus at anytime even up to the time of birth.
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by Anonymous User on 02:17 AM March 18th, 2005 EST (#21)
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I think OJ did it, too. However, I think it's unfair that he got dragged into civil court and lost a lawsuit there over the exact same issue.
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