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by Anonymous User on 01:53 PM March 9th, 2005 EST (#1)
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by Anonymous User on 12:19 AM March 11th, 2005 EST (#6)
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by Anonymous User on 03:39 PM March 9th, 2005 EST (#2)
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It is events like this that must have the covens of feminist around this country all atwitter. The laws and "ethics" in effect here were put in place by one-sided leftist/feminist laws that view any and all male sexuality as criminal - and these same standards hold men alone accountable for such liaisons despite any and all circumstance involved. The liability a man has today when he has a relationship with a woman is huge.
If no discernable negative impact can be determined here - because two consenting adults had enjoyable private relations, it should be of no concern to the company or the courts.
A lifetime of effort and achievement should not be ruined because two adults had some fun together. Where this man puts his dick should not be of concern to the boardroom. It should be of concern to his wife alone...
Welcome to the matriarchy. Keep it in your pants boys, even if she has it all hangen' out if you happen to work together.
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by Roy on 05:26 PM March 9th, 2005 EST (#3)
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So, even fully consensual sex among adults is now a corporate crime?
Because, by implication, the male is a predator, the female a victim?
If she had outranked him in Boeing's executive hierarchy, would she have been fired for "poor judgement and lack of ethics?"
One side effect of this kind of story is starting to come out into the open. It's been discussed quite a bit in academic circles.
Simply this -- men are being taught very clearly that interacting with women in the workplace that is in any way more than superficial, business-only robotic behavior can and will lead to dire consequences.
Now, consider that this climate of gender fascism has effectively and permanently terminated any kind of mentoring and/or career-
focused assistance that a man might formerly have extended to a female colleague,graduate student, or promising employee.
For every man, the risks of even "showing professional interest" have become far too great.
Another victory for feminism!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Tumescent on 08:59 PM March 9th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I agree that the current "rules" including much of the code of ethics that major corporations have all adopted now have been influenced and dominated by the leftist/feminist agenda that is now imbedded in our society. That said, I don't blame Boeing or any public company to have a problem if the CEO is sleeping with the "help", but only if it is determined that the relationship was unduly benefiting the employee (unwarranted favoritism in pay or promotion, etc.) In this case, Boeing determined that there was no unjust favoritism but he was forced out because he violated their policy that was put into place to protect against that possibility. I think that had Carly Fiorina at Hewlett Packard been caught riding the corporate maintenance man, she would have been removed as CEO of HP as well. I am shocked, however, that the female executive involved here hasn't gotten the ax. Why is that? It was clearly against corporation policy for the male CEO, and it must be clearly against corporate policy for the female VP. It used to be that dating co-workers was commonplace, and a pretty good place to meet women. That’s where I met my wife years ago-- but dipping your pen into the company ink just doesn't pay off anymore. That avenue of fun has been effectively cut off by the feminists and it really is a shame. I work for a large public corporation in a middle management position. I am careful to deal with the women in the office only on an as needed basis, and only about work. I don’t make small talk. I don’t ask them what they are doing this weekend. I don’t make any comment about what they are wearing or ask questions about their family. It’s all business now. I cannot take the risk because it’s a slippery slope these days.
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by Kyo on 03:05 AM March 10th, 2005 EST (#5)
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And Tumescent, the upshot of this will of course be that the women in your company will complain that men aren't shiwing interest in them!
I work in Japan, where men are routinely forced to work nearly every waking hour and then some, and so consequently it's considered normal to find a mate at the office; indeed, companies expect it and will sometimes over-hire young women. It irks me a bit to watch naive western women see this situation and think only of these poor innocent girls who have to suffer from romantic expectations from their male colleagues, without even a legal club to swing at them!
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by Anonymous User on 12:36 AM March 11th, 2005 EST (#7)
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"I am careful to deal with the women in the office only on an as needed basis, and only about work. I don’t make small talk. I don’t ask them what they are doing this weekend. I don’t make any comment about what they are wearing or ask questions about their family. It’s all business now. I cannot take the risk because it’s a slippery slope these days."
The men's activists groups have been advising this very thing for years now. It all came about because of a literal Marxist-Feminist called Katherine McKinnon. She was successful in getting the leftist (read Communist) Supreme Court to create the "reasonable woman" test.
The affect has been to remove any objective standard for measuring whether sexual harassment has in fact taken place. It is now all about a subjective irrational perspective of the female gender. They are to be considered irrational be feminism has formally rejected all rational thought processes as an artificial oppressive evil male invention.
The current rule is that if any woman literally just "feels" uncomfortable then that woman's claim of a negative "feeling" is regarded as defacto evidence that there has been sexual harassment.
What ever you guys do, don't talk to, look at, smile at, stare at, make polite conversation, comment on anything, or even be friendly to any woman in the workplace except to give a simple answer to a question that they might ask (if work related) and then leave. If it isn’t work related then find a polite reason to avoid answering and leave. Spend as little as time with woman at work as possible, but not so little that they can claim they are isolated and therefore "feel" uncomfortable. That can also be called sexual harassment.
Don't be friendly to women other than a polite hello in passing and only if that is necessary. Otherwise pretend they are not there and just pass by them in the hallway. Being friendly and saying hello can be called sexual harassment, and it can cost you your life. Don't mentor women and help them in their career. Doing so will mean that you'll have your balls chopped off.
Warble
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by Tumescent on 09:26 AM March 11th, 2005 EST (#8)
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Well- I don't take it as far as you suggest. Most of the women I work with seem like nice people, it's just that you can't tell which ones might be prone to looking for a problem and which ones are cool. For that reason, I err on the side of caution. Being friendly and saying hello is still something I try to do, and I don't worry about it costing me my life. However, I will not coach or mentor any woman because of the risk of having my intentions misinterpreted.
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by Anonymous User on 11:01 AM March 11th, 2005 EST (#9)
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It's really a shame that it has come to all this, isn't it?
Hopefully, someday soon, more logical and rational thought will prevail, and men won't have to "watch what they say".
Notice, though, that by and large women DON'T have to watch what THEY say.
Oh no, no double standards here. (sarcasm)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Tumescent writes "We've all probably heard about Harry Stonecipher, ex-CEO of Boeing. Now we finally hear about the other side of the equation