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by Anonymous User on 02:57 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#1)
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...but what is "SPATIAL skills"? Some one who is skilled with a SPATULA??????
Sorry. My English is pretty good, but now and then I come across an English word that I can't understand. Sometimes I can figure it out on my own, but not this time.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 04:00 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#2)
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No problem. Spatial has to do with space. Someone with spatial skills has good depth perception and usually a good sense of direction.
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by frank h on 04:31 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#3)
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...And also thinks very well in three dimensions. AND also thinks better about these things without having to have them demonstrated graphically.
According to all the brain biology research I've read (mostly in books, not in journals, etc.) it's this ability that makes men better scientists and engineers.
You know, these bimbos will never sneer at you when you say that women are better linguists, but God be with you when you point out one of their frailties. Hell hath no fury...
(like a femininst who gets told the truth.)
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 07:14 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#4)
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I saw a PBS show about the differences between men and women. It's scientific validity could be debated. To illustrate a man's spatial advantage, a room of college aged men and women, equally divided, were asked to draw a picture of a bicycle from memory. Without exception, all of the men's drawings were easily recognizable as a bicycle. They ranged from crude sketches to the incredibly elaborate. On the flip side, a large majority of the women's drawings either looked nothing like a bicycle or were of matchstick quality. In order to accomplish this, you have to possess the ablilty to conjure up an image and be able to see it in 3 dimensions in order to render depth via shadowing or using other techniques. On the flip side, a small room was constructed that contained many household and office items. A task list was given to the women and men and all of these tasks had to be completed within a set time limit. One by one, the women and men took turns entering this room and attempting to accomplish the goal. The tasks included making copies on a copier, making tea, making toast and other things that I've forgotten. Well, the women got the prize on this one. Men tend to think lineraly - do one thing at a time until the task is done. The women, on the other hand, were able to begin several tasks all at once and even prioritize depending on how long it should take for it to finish. This illustrates women's ablility to multitask. Men and women both possess different skills but I don't think it proves superiority one way or the other. If not for our spatial abilities, we would still be crossing rivers by rope drawn ferries. If Thomas Edison did not posses the ability to think in linear terms, he would never have invented the light bulb. He had a task and stuck to it with pit bull tenacity. He found the light bulb filament by trying one thing at a time, over and over and over until he got it right. I don't think women have this same stick to it attitude.
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by Anonymous User on 10:54 AM February 1st, 2005 EST (#11)
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Thank you, folks. Now I get it.
Actually, That's a word I SHOULD know, being that I'm an artist.
We Indians tend to think of things in cyclacle terms.
That may be why the word "spatial" didn't "compute" too well for me.
I got it, now though.
Thanks.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 02:44 PM February 1st, 2005 EST (#14)
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I used Thomas Edison to point out men's ability to think in linear terms. A very brilliant and virtually self taught scientist named Marie Curie attained a master's degrees in Physics and Mathematics in only 3 years. She and her husband, through dogged determination, discovered 2 new elements, Polonimum and Radium. Marie Curie invented the word "Radioactivity". There will be a test this Friday.
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 02:45 PM February 1st, 2005 EST (#16)
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TC - The task that is most often associated with "spatial" skills is the ability to track an object through 3D space. Like watching a basketball as it goes up and towards the basket and being able to estimate its path. Men seem to be better able to imagine the path of the ball in their mental scheme. Sports is a great example. Almost all sports is related to tracking a ball through 3d space, baseball, football, basketball etc. Talking is secondary and often in these sports, communication is accomplished via non-verbal or silent means.
The parking space example is a good one. Men tend to envision a 3D picture in their mind of the parking space and also a 3D picture in their mind of the car and then imagine them interacting in order to move the car into the space. This all goes on mentally in a flash. Some are saying that women, rather than see this image mentally, will try to convert the required movements first into words and then adjust their movements not based on a picture but based on a verbal construction of the task. I have seen evidence of this before when watching women try to park, they talk to themselves as they try to accomplish this sometimes with a low level muttering that betrays their mental process at the time as being highly related to translating the action into words and then back again to adjustments.
None of this is proven but it is interesting. Also interesting that left-handed women have more "spatial" brains and left-handed men have more "verbal" brains. We have much to learn.
Do we have True Equality?
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by Anonymous User on 08:04 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#5)
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It's good to see a man in India who has the courage to stand up to feminist intimidation. Men in Europe and North America should follow his example.
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by Mr. Common Sense on 10:30 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#6)
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I totally agree with the Harvard President's comment even though he later, wrongly, apologized for his comments. Really it's a simple observation, have you ever been setting in your car in the morning before work and watched a woman try to park a car? Especially when it comes to backing into a stall, that is a spacial experiment. I conduct little study's like this all of the time just for my entertainment. It take's a woman, on average 3 cycles of backing up then forward then backward...etc. just to get the car parked. A guy driving a car comes in there and get's it right the first try! All of this equality crap is just a feel good word for people who can't deal with blunt facts and for a continueing insistence on government socialized programs. When you think about it, no two things on the planet are equal and certainly not men and women. Women can have kids, other than that, there's really not MUCH that they can do better than guys, which is why we've ruled the planet for all but the last few generations(if that) and that is only because we've let them win at some things. I think that some things are breed in us over hundreds of years and that is why some people are better at some things and other's are better at other things. This is true in racial aspects when it comes to sports, physical abilities, mental abilities and so on. So I completely agree with the Harvard President. I just wish that he would have stood his ground and not apologized for what he knows is true. I'm sure that his job was on the line though.
The truth will set you free.
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by Mr. Common Sense on 08:46 PM February 4th, 2005 EST (#19)
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You're right! Can't believe I left out the obvious, guess that it's become so much of the norm that I overlooked it! Major Ditto's!
The truth will set you free.
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by Anonymous User on 10:34 AM March 14th, 2005 EST (#23)
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>...there's really not MUCH that they can do better than guys...
Women are much better at crying and whining... and nagging.
Dittohd
AND...MEN ARE BETTER AT BELCHING, FARTING, AND CHASING ANYTHING IN A SKIRT
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by Anonymous User on 12:26 AM February 1st, 2005 EST (#8)
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With supporters like you, Sommers needs no detractors. I am reminded of a quote by Bill Watterson:
"Provoking a reaction isn't the same as saying something significant."
You are right, though, that he should not have apologized. It was correct to explore all possibilities for womens not being in math and science fields. His ambivalent language was also correct, because it is so difficult to determine where biology ends and environment begins.
So long as we are using personal experience, I have not seen a strong correlation between spatial awareness and math ability. It takes me many tries to get into a parking space and I have a bad sense of direction, probably because I didn't play sports much when I was younger. I happen to also be good at math.
Harq al-Ada
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by Mr. Common Sense on 08:54 PM February 4th, 2005 EST (#20)
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Not for sure, but I take it you are female? I was speaking in terms of generalization. Which means, just because some women have the ability to do some of things that men can, doesn't mean that MOST women have that ability. Even in that, there is still no true equality, either way you look at it.
The truth will set you free.
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by Anonymous User on 12:55 PM March 11th, 2005 EST (#21)
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No men and women are not equal. Obviously, men cannot spell or use correct grammar. But man, can they park those cars!! And so what if men can't nurture and bear the future of the human race? They all can park cars!!!
Perhaps you should spend more time observing the world around you than women driving and realize that there are more people in this world than just men and women, and they are more complex than dualists like you can see.
And perhaps you should look at the bigger picture - that AMERICANS are not contributing enough to science, math and technology. As Americans we should be more concerned about the rise of outsourcing to foreign countries for their innovative and intelligent people - both male AND female.
Free your mind and you will find the truth.
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by Anonymous User on 10:28 AM March 14th, 2005 EST (#22)
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First, I must say I am amazed that you were able to write a response as lengthly as you did consindering you seem to only have half a brain. It is true that no two things or people are created equal(except maybe men like you and dogs)however, that doesnt just pertain to men and women. I am guessing that a woman has kicked your butt in the past and it pissed you off so here you are trying to make a STAND! Well, good luck with your efforts. I am not a feminist as I do believe that men are here to help do the things that I dont really want to do. :) Seriously, I believe both sides have some serious issues. This is an individual issue and strength(who is strong/man or woman)whether it is physical or mental strength can not be measured by whether we have a 3rd leg.
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by Anonymous User on 12:22 AM March 29th, 2005 EST (#24)
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To Mr. Obviously a stone-aged hick!
Not that your post even deserves a comment. It pretty much speaks for itself in saying to anyone that takes the time to read it that one- your not very smart, two- your obviously very bored and lacking in the fun things to do department and three that anyone reading it will be actually more stupid having had read it...
I'd like to point out to you that the "woman" parking the car only backed in and out three times because she most likely wanted the car to be tucked neatly into it's correct position in the spot. That or she noticed a weirdo like you lurking at her and was unsure if it was safe or not to actually get out of her car. Have you ever seen a car parked cock eyed in a handicapped zone with no handicapped sign and with no way of anyone fitting into the spots on either side? THAT was a MANS parking job!
Also, there are plenty of things "on this planet" that are equal. And yes, your right, certainly not men and women. I've always said that any woman that strives to be equal to a man is seriously lacking in ambition! We don't want to be equal to you guys, don't you get it? We want to RULE YOU!!!! (ha) And yes, women CAN have children, that was very observant of you. And your mother (whom you should thank everyday repeatedly, by the way, for having you) should have her butt kicked for ALLOWING YOU to be brought into this world.
I'd like to add something else, you include yourself in this ridiculous "we've let them win at some things" statement. I find it hard to believe that YOU'VE ever let a woman win at anything. If a tiny little no brained man such as yourself ever beat a woman at anything I'm sure it was cause she LET you win so she wouldn't have listen to your crybaby whining.
As for the REST of your comments well, all I can say is that I feel badly that you were so often dropped on your head by your ohhhh so INCOMPETENT mother. :( poor you.
Have a great day, end this jealousy of women, increase your medication a doze or two, find something a lil more fun to do just for "entertainment", oh.. and please don't blame your thinking on common sense...
Just another perfectly parked chic.
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by bharati on 04:31 AM February 1st, 2005 EST (#9)
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Indian Philosophy observes
Men are stronger Physically
Women are stronger mentally
Men are stronger in logic
Women are stronger emotionally
And the philospers concluded by analysis of their observations.I am not well versed with greek /roman /eurpean philosophers to that extent but I suspect they must have observed the same thing
Phantom comics old jungle Saying "female of the species more deadlier then the male"
The recent studies of Brain scan seem to give an explanation as to why the observation might be true . Summers is only echoing it.
There is more More Bad news even on the Sewing front which Malika Sarbhai tries to say women are better . They may be better on average but at expert level needed like the intricade brocades and weaving intricate patterns Kalamkari , kashidakari, pattern weaving men again are better
Women are however extremely good at making vague laws like mental harassment ,emotional harassment ,verbal harassment wihtout any clear definition
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by Anonymous User on 01:25 PM February 1st, 2005 EST (#13)
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Okay, Now we're just being mean!
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by Anonymous User on 02:44 PM February 1st, 2005 EST (#15)
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>"Okay, Now we're just being mean!"
Oh, yeah. Here we go.
Whenever women are found to do something better than men it's all; "Yay women are great, men suck!", "Girl power!!"
But if men are found to be better at something than women are it's; "Oh, you big, bad, meany men!", "sexism!!!!!" "oppression!!!".
Please just go away, and stop being a troll, okay?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Mr. Common Sense on 08:17 PM February 4th, 2005 EST (#18)
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"Women are however extremely good at making vague laws like mental harassment ,emotional harassment ,verbal harassment wihtout any clear definition "
Right on! And have you ever noticed how selective the "harassment" laws are they create? Such as sexual harassment? What I mean is, if a fat unattractive guy with no money (usually because he allowed another woman to rob him of every dime he has) makes a pass at her, then it's sexual harassment. If a an attractive guy and/or wealthy guy hit's on her.........well then....that's ok!
The truth will set you free.
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Mangesh writes "And the debate lineup is 1. Mallika Sarabhai - actor and activist. She accuses Summers of jingoism, chauvinism, and patriarchial attitude. 2. Vikas Singh - Assistant Editor - Times of India. He cites academic research - most of it done by women - confirming that on average, men are better at spatial skills, women at verbal skills. He also attacks the political correctness in academic research. Read them here: