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There are many ways to interrogate a prisoner and make him speak without using anything sexual. It's no secret that women get off on humiliating men and they will take every opportunity to do it. That's why they join army or police services, because these are places where they can satisfy there perversities without being hold responsible and without the risk getting kicked their asses.
I am quite sure that these things not only take place in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Grahib, but in many places all around the world.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Luek on 10:25 AM January 28th, 2005 EST (#2)
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Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear
The best way to break them is to sue the prisoners for sexual harassment. It works like a charm in this misandrist society. One prisoner got an erection. So he at least should be made to pay, and pay, and pay and so on for that little pas faux! Also, as we have all been told zillions of time before, it does not matter what a woman wears or doesn't wear or even does in a sexual manner, it is the responsiblity of the man to not notice.
Sarcasm off: And we just don't understand why the Iraqi's are fighting the occupation of their country by the US mainly, so hard? They obviously don't want the misandrous crap we have gotten used to in this country dumped onto them. They obviously have a few shreds of dignity and self worth as men left.
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by Anonymous User on 11:04 AM January 28th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Though it has gone LARGELY un-reported in the media, one of the reasons that the Taliban (and many in the middle east, in general) hate America so much is because of the fact that American men are "dominated by their women". American men are "whipped by their women", and other things I've heard said. They generaly look at us as a P#$$y whipped country. And thet're pretty much correct in that oppinion.
As far as these female interrogaters are conserned, their actions do not suprise me a bit. More and more women in the west are getting off on the sexual torture of men. They love men bound and gagged and in pain, They love to see men tied up and helpless and dominated by a woman. Like I said they are sexualy aroused by this. So the fact that these women act out those sexualy perverted fantasies on male detainees, is, in no way a suprise to me. American women have been socialized this way. No one should be suprised when it appears in this form, where a woman has "dominance" over a man. In fact, I would be personaly suprised if it DIDN'T happen.
I keep telling people about this problem but no one seems to take me siriously.
Perhaps it hasn't reached critical mass. Perhaps the Lyndie England case and this inccedent will wake more people up. (especialy men)
I hope it is soon, too. The sooner we see these many women as the sexual perverts that they are, the sooner we can solve this problem of female interrogaters abuseing male prisoners in this way.
These inccidents are NOT a fluke. They are a REFLECTION OF OUR SOCIETY! They are a reflection of how (many) American women see men. Maybe now people will begin to see that women are not the sexual innocents that they try to make us believe they are. We have to take off the blinders, as a society and see them for what they truely are. This issue of women's low oppinion of men MUST BE ADDRESSED!
I can't stress this enough, people.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:05 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Yes, it is now the enlightened year of 1958, and we finally have to realize that women are not the sexual innocents we thought they were. Oh wait! It's 2005, and we already understand that they are often as sexually brazen as men.
The women who use these unethical interrogation tactics do so for a practical reason: it is severely insulting to men of Muslim culture. When ethics are thrown by the wayside, the most brutally effective means of extracting information predominate. These women probably aren't acting out an innate sadistic nature any more than the soldiers in Nam who pushed one VC at a time out of a helecopter so the ones down the line would talk.
I must say that I find your apologism for the Taliban dissapointing. America might be misandric in some ways, but is a hyper-punitive honor-killing burqua-wearing EXTREMELY misogynistic society really one worth our sympathy?
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by Anonymous User on 12:07 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Oops. That last unsigned comment was by me,
Harq al-Ada
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by Anonymous User on 12:54 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#8)
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No.
I wasn't in any way apologizing for the Taliban.
But I also will in no way apologize for the misandric American culture that we have created in this country. Nor will i apologize for my comments about the women it has and is creating.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Luek on 12:53 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#6)
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but is a hyper-punitive honor-killing burqua-wearing EXTREMELY misogynistic society really one worth our sympathy?
You must admit that today's Western cultures are a whole lot more than "misandrous is some ways". They are EXTREMELY misandrous in many ways and to the core! That being said, then are misandry promoting Western cultures a step up from the radical Islamic cultures we in the West are trying to change through economic and military coercion? I think not!
We have to clean up our own house before we criticize others. And we certainly have much to clean up!
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by HombreVIII on 12:53 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#7)
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"The women who use these unethical interrogation tactics do so for a practical reason: it is severely insulting to men of Muslim culture. When ethics are thrown by the wayside, the most brutally effective means of extracting information predominate."
I agree with your first statement but strongly disagree with your statement about the power of torture to get information. A man being tortured will either rebel and say nothing or he will say *anything* to get it to stop. Mostly what he'll say is whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear. If you really want to get information out of a prisoner, I would suggest treating him well for a period of time while befriending him, then secretly plying him with truth serum before interrogating him as if in a casual conversation.
"I must say that I find your apologism for the Taliban dissapointing. America might be misandric in some ways, but is a hyper-punitive honor-killing burqua-wearing EXTREMELY misogynistic society really one worth our sympathy?"
As far as the misogynistic Taliban go, was it 8 year old girls or boys that they sent into fields in droves to check for old mines leftover from the USSR, by means of walking around to see if they blow up? (It was boys of course) But of course the more important sexism was a strict dress code, since it hampered women slightly more than the men's dress code hampered men. And while there have been hundreds of articles written about the few women who were killed in honor killings, if you search hard enough you will find a few articles about the hundreds of men killed in the same manner.
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by The_Beedle on 01:50 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#9)
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We've been told over and over again that objectification of women is entirely men's doing, men's fault and to men's advantage. These tactics shine light on that lie.
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by MAUS on 10:11 PM January 30th, 2005 EST (#14)
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I would like to remind my American friends that the Taliban were put in power through the efforts of a "renegade"senator and a "renagade"CIA agent (neither of whom suffered any loss of their pension benefits in sanction of their "unauthorized" expenditure of milions of dollars) who in concert with Osama bin Ladin had ousted the villanous Russians who invaded Afganistan in an outrageous and unjustified response to invading Afganistan for it's embassy staff in Kabul being brutally murdered in protest of insisting that the Afganis educate girls without asking their headmen to "mullah" it over.
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by Anonymous User on 11:06 PM January 28th, 2005 EST (#11)
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I'll grant that our society has mysandristic elements. There are definitely Muslim-majority countries with less prevalence of mysogynism (or perhaps none) than we have of misandry. But definitely not the worst ones.
If we think it better to emulate misogynistic countries for balance, than we are no better than the feminists who use misandry as "payback" for the percieved ills they've suffered from the dawn of humanity. But if we really want balance, let's look at some of the most extreme examples of misogyny in Muslim countries with Western industrialized misandrism:
Men in Western industrialized nations are sometimes assumed guilty in rape accusations.
A woman in some Islamic countries will be charged by the courts of adultery even when several witnesses say she was raped. The response to this sort of "transgression" from the woman is often (unofficially) death by honor killing.
Men who dress like women in Western industrial nations (most notably America) are looked askance at by society, ignored or ridiculed.
Women in some Islamic nations are arrested if they are in public without a veil. No anti-discrimination laws will protect them; the law itself is against them.
Women are usually given custody of children after divorces in the West.
Following the Qu'ran in minute detail, many Islamic courts will make divorce for a man as simple as saying "I divorce thee" three times. But no-fault divorce doesn't exist for women. And the burden of proof is heavy upon a woman, since she only counts as half a witness in court, because womens' testimony is untrustworthy, and men are superior to women in general.
You get the idea. Instead of sympathizing with an unequal culture because they favor OUR gender, like many feminists would, we should strive for equality. Duh.
-Harq al-Ada
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by HombreVIII on 09:20 PM January 30th, 2005 EST (#13)
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If we think it better to emulate misogynistic countries for balance, than we are no better than the feminists who use misandry as "payback" for the percieved ills they've suffered from the dawn of humanity.
Ok, now which of those misogynistic items you mentioned have you heard men's rights activists suggest we should emulate? Anyone here in favor of burkas? Stonings? No-fault divorces for men only? Throwing raped women in jail for adultery?
Harq, what have we done to earn this lecture?
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by Anonymous User on 12:12 AM January 31st, 2005 EST (#15)
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Well, I guess no one deserved that lecture. It at first seemed that some people thought any amount of misogyny was better than misandry. Giving it another look, they probably did not think that.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Anonymous User on 01:20 PM January 31st, 2005 EST (#16)
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No.
No real men's activists believe that misogyny is the ansewer to the problem of feminism.
Most of us know that that sort of thing ALWAYS comes back on you. (The feminists will learn that, soon.)
Besides, un-like the feminists real men's activist DO believe in and work for equality. REAL equality. Not the double-speak "equality" that femiroids preach.
So, no. No one here, that I know of, wants to "put women back in the kitchen" and other things that feminists accuse us of. As MRAs we know that that would not only be un-fair to women, that it would also be counter productive in makeing America a better place.
There have been a few posters who have said; "Women should be subserviant to men, like in the bible!". But I think most of us realize that those people are just trolls trying to get us to agree with them, because that is what they think MRAs are all about. But no one here ever agreed with those posters. In fact we called them "Trolls" and told them to go away, if memory serves me.
You do see some angry posts here. That is true. But we have a reason to be mad. As men our rights (what's left of them) are being chipped away a bit more year by year. We are fighting to have PAIRITY with the rights of women. Not sueriority over them. It is the feminists who are fighting for (and getting) superior rights over men. But they will tell you that it is the other way around. But that lie is easily dis-proven, with a bit of research.
And yes, some times we say things about "women" that isn't too nice. I know I've been guilty of it, too. But there is a prevailing attitude amoung American, Australian, British and other women, these days that directs a very seething hatred at ALL men. This attitude of misandry is encouraged by politicians, the media, and "women's studies" courses in colleges. We so often hear women indulge in casual male-bashing. and we are tired of it. It effects the society as a whole. It effects our children. Especialy our young boys. It is this attitude amoung many other things that we as men's rights activists are fighting against. We hold no hatred towards women as a whole, (Un-like feminists who hold nothing BUT hate for men) We just know that as a free people that we have God given rights that are being eroded as we speak by the influences and perpetuation of feminism. We have vowed to fight this trend. Some of us have vowed to fight to the death, if the need arises. (Your's truly for one) Although I doubt it will come to that, it never hurts to be prepared.
That in a nut shell, is what MRAs are all about. (Charlie Brown)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:57 PM January 29th, 2005 EST (#12)
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Yes.
Exactly my point.
You see alot of this "women sexualy tourtureing men" scenerio, these days.
It's reflected widely in the "entretainment" media.
How many of you have seen a Dominatrix on TV or in movies? You see them freaquently. But note that you never see the male equivilant of the dominatrix (a dominant, a Master, etc.) even though they exist. It is strange that a male character who is in to "dominating women" is depicted as a monster, a sadist, a misogynist, and a criminal. But a female that likes to "dominate men" is depicted as "sexualy liberated" and "open minded" and generaly shown in a positive light.
This reflects how "men hating women" is TOATALY un-acceptable, but "women hating men is COMPLETELY acceptible, not to mention encourged in our society. Women hating and hurting men (particulairly in a sexual manner) is not only laughed at but considered sexy by ALOT of women. (as well as wussie-poopie males)
So, again we shouldn't be suprised to see women acting out in this way, in these cases. It is how they have been socializes. These images of men being beaten, kicked in the balls, mutilated and sexualy dominated and tourtured by women HAS AN EFFECT on those who see it. It INFLUENCES them. as much as they try to deny it.
NOTHING EXISTS IN A VACCUUM! That INCLUDES these negative images of men that we see evrey where every day.
How can it NOT influence the people of any given society?
I find it interesting that the feminists complained that they were conserned about the portrayal of females in the media. They said; "The media influences people". Funny how they are toataly mute on the subject of media portrayals of men and boys.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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