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by Anonymous User on 07:22 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I have to say I'm impressed. It's about time that some of the country started realizing that most of the people who speak of equality are hypocrits. The fact that the media outlets have chosen to not speak of it just shows who's running them.
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by Anonymous User on 07:43 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#2)
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"I have to say I'm impressed."
Sooner or later the pile of broken male lives had to start getting noticed by the by those who are typically disinterested in the war on men.
Ray
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by n.j. on 11:23 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Well, but who reports on it.. the "take a stand for conservatism" banners alone were quickly showing me what was going on.
With a text that calls fathers "dispensers of discipline", god help us. Black-and-white pictures of families anno 1870 are popping up before my inner eye..
I'm afraid that men's rights issues are being hijacked by the political right and used as a cheap way to fight against their opponents.
But I doubt that conversatives will support men's rights per se any time soon. As far as I can see, they only jump in when it suits them and when it supports their kind of lifestyle. In my country, the conservatives are the main reason we still have the draft.
I wished someone would prove me wrong but I'm very sceptical of the conversatives' involvement in all this.
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by Anonymous User on 12:26 AM January 14th, 2005 EST (#4)
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"But I doubt that conversatives will support men's rights per se any time soon. As far as I can see, they only jump in when it suits them and when it supports their kind of lifestyle. In my country, the conservatives are the main reason we still have the draft.
I wished someone would prove me wrong but I'm very sceptical of the conversatives' involvement in all this."
Better yet, how about you getting off your liberal butt and walking into your liberal base and confronting the radical feminists that are welcomed there. I wish someone would prove me wrong, but I'm very skeptical of the liberals involvement in all this considering the radical feminist bigots they so actively promote the trampling of men's rights.
Men's rights aren't being "hijacked" by conservatives, they're being "resurected" after their murder at the hands of liberal, radical feminist law makers.
You may be skeptical of conservatives, but this men's rights activist is downright outraged at all the man-hating abuses that have been coming from your liberal camp for decades. By all means prove me wrong and post some updates on men's rights activities coming from the radical feminist man-haters in your liberal camp. I'll settle for men's rights activities by any women in your liberal camp. ...waiting ...waiting ...getting more skeptical by the minute.
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by quetzal on 04:05 PM January 14th, 2005 EST (#6)
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this may sound simple-minded, but can you guys try not to argue this left vs. right issue, at least not on this forum? We (men) are all in the same boat regarding the feminist bullshit..
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by Anonymous User on 04:50 PM January 14th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Yeah, I've always appreciated that this site takes a politically-neutral stance and that it has conservatives and liberals joining forces for men's rights. I think that union is extremely threatening to feminists and is very inmportant to men's rights. Feminists thrive in a leftist camp, yes, but feminism is not essential to liberalism, and that means feminists are all the more threatened when liberals start challenging them. In California, there is no doubt that the conservatives are more supportive of us than the liberals . . . but not in everything, and there are a growing number of liberals supporting us. We need for that to continue. Try looking at the faces of radical misandrists when liberals, gay men, or lesbians actually confront feminists in their own circles and committees about their false facts and anti-male lies. I've seen it. It's not frequent, but it's increasing, and when it happens it is just golden. It's a complete shock to them and they don't know how to handle it. It shuts them up right in their tracks. This needs to increase. And that can only happen if both sides try to get along within this movement and not slam each other over background political beliefs.
Marc
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by n.j. on 05:04 PM January 15th, 2005 EST (#8)
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>Better yet, how about you getting off your liberal butt and walking into your liberal base
Well, Mr. Anonymous, you should try to get informed about the political systems of other countries.
In Germany, calling oneself "liberal" usually means voting for the FDP (Free Democratic Party) and they are really only that, liberal. Not left-wing. Being liberal has nothing to do with that, and it also has nothing to do with feminism. I'm liberal (=for freedom, where possible) but not left. The FDP has long ruled the country together in a coalition with the CDU (Christian Democratic Union) which is 'the' party of the conversatives here.
It's pretty sad it has come down to just two players in the US, and that being liberal is associated with being from the left wing there, just because 2 parties don't allow for proper distinction.
There is a chance that leftist parties can be reformed so they start to respected men's rights. Some people here try that and it's not hopeless.
But at least here it's rather hopeless to bring up "Men's Rights" with conservatives, because this is more progressive than anything! Conservatives may support many goals of MRAs, but men's rights per se - that is just more than they can handle, although it might be different in the US.
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by n.j. on 05:05 PM January 15th, 2005 EST (#9)
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It really oughtta be possible to edit posts here..
Something on this site confuses Mozilla's account management. It keeps saving user/pass/subject combinations instead of just user/pass.
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by The_Beedle on 10:28 AM January 14th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I wished someone would prove me wrong but I'm very sceptical of the conversatives' involvement in all this.
When was the last time a ballot initiative in Massachusetts led a conservative movement? Progress for father's rights is going to happen state by state, and it's not going to happen in conservative states first. No amount of commentary from Phyllis Schaffly is going to change that.
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