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by Anonymous User on 12:33 PM December 25th, 2004 EST (#1)
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A very apt post for christmas day. Perhaps we should adopt the white feather as the symbol of the mens movement. In 1914-18 millions of men were hoodwinked into slaughtering each other by feminists who played the chivalry card. Feminists still promulgate this doctrine of self sacrifice to men, and unfortunately many men are still hoodwinked.
Still, we've had another year of progress, even if it is infuriatingly slow progress at times.
In any event, BEST WISHES TO ALL FOR XMAS AND 2005.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 12:58 PM December 25th, 2004 EST (#2)
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I can't speak for all of us men, but I've only been in a couple of fights in my life and I didn't "like" any of them. I even puked after one of them.
The last one made me a cripple. I have to walk with a cane and I have terrible tempromandibular joint dysfunction and I'm partialy blind in my right eye. Oh yeah, what FUN!
MERRY CHRISTMAS, any way.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Roy on 11:20 PM December 25th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Thundercloud...
Though you are still and ever a warrior, yes?
I would not wish to meet you as an adversary....
I would surrender immediately! ;-)
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by mens_issues on 11:38 PM December 25th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Yes, ever since Thundercloud joined the Knights of the Patriarchal Order and saved Thea from the feminist dungeon at the NOW compound, he has earned warrior status!
Steve
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by thea on 12:08 AM December 26th, 2004 EST (#5)
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Dungeon at NOW? Oh there's another dungeon located at the Women's Studies classroom at my college. Man, you would not believe all of the posters of famous feminazis, Vagina Monologues posters, and the obnoxious banners for V-Day (aka: 'Love Your Vagina Day', and 'Until The Violence Stops Day') they have mounted on their front door. The class is located in the Humanities Building. Not that feminists have any humanity, but oh well. Not that feminism was based on reason, logic, common sense, *REAL* science, or rationale. As for the white feathers; sounds like the feminists were just trying to goad men into dying so they (the feminists and women) can stay back home and live comfortably. They were using traditional/chivalrous masculinity against men in order to get what they want. And feminists and some women still use this tactic to this day. Pathetic, and utter shame.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 12:29 AM December 26th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"...goad men into dying so they (the feminists and women) can stay back home and live comfortably."
Exactly. The feminists campaigned for conscription for men (only), and compulsory national service for women. The latter involved taking the jobs vacated by men, as well as taking jobs in armament factories (which were very well paid by the standards of the day ).
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 02:38 PM December 26th, 2004 EST (#8)
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>"I would not wish to meet you as an adversary..."
Thanks, Roy, but I'm hardly imposeing or threatening. I'm a rather fat, clownish person with a baby face. :p
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 06:41 AM December 27th, 2004 EST (#13)
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I think adopting the white feather as the symbol of the men's movement is a great idea.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 01:57 PM December 28th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Being indian, I have TONS of feathers around my place. including white ones. (yay me!)
If any one wants to know a good place to get white feathers, I suggest you try your local CRAFT and HOBBY type stores. They often carry all kinds of feathers. I would recomend a good sized white turkey or goose feather.
I may just start wearing one on my big black hat.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 10:46 AM December 26th, 2004 EST (#7)
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The BBC has just started a second series of “If..”. Last year I criticised it for a programmes called "If... women ruled the world" BBC - "If... women ruled the world" - Don't Blink You Might Miss The Men Talking and I am happy to say that the BBC poll “Would a woman’s world be a better place” got a No vote by 59% to 41% (Not high enough, but still a majority) , and it still assumes that it is currently a man’s world, that men are responsible for everything bad that happens and anything good that happens is just coincidental.
This year’s series has included “If... We Could Stop The Violence” where they are quite happy to talk about a biological predisposition to violence and although they mention women’s violence they generally talk about male violence and are confident about locking up youngsters on the grounds they will be violent in the future. A debate followed the fiction and there was no real opposition to this idea. Essentially give boys a psychological test and decide if they might be violent and lock them up with no real cure or sentence being mentioned. It seems to me is that the notion is that there is something called “violence” out there which they can remove from society. Somehow they are going to get some non-violent society and if the price is locking up someone else’s kids then they don’t mind. I am not against locking up someone who’s committed a crime, but before they’ve committed a crime!! I don’t have that much faith in psychology/psychiatry and even they only claim 80% success in predicting future violent offenders, and of course they have a limited notion of violence, for example, women’s domestic violence would be completely ignored. Not to mention that there are troops and police officers ready to commit violence on your behalf to protect your freedoms.
The notion that some people have “violence” and others don’t is ridiculous. Some people commit wanton acts of violence and they should be punished. The human race is the most dominant species on the planet. It did not become that by being shrinking violets. Violence can be controlled but it cannot be exorcised like a demon. Men can bring war and men can bring peace and women can bring war and women can bring peace. Until that sentence is understood we will still have people claiming you can get rid of violence by getting rid of men.
Raymond Cuttill
Men's Hour Blog
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by Anonymous User on 03:49 PM December 26th, 2004 EST (#9)
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"Increasingly, arguments are made that the social conditions associated with crime today - abuse, neglect, poverty - can activate a biological predisposition for violence.
Identify that predisposition, and the pre-emptive strike becomes a possibility."
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How about 1st dealing with the "social conditions" that trigger a "predisposition to violence?" Who are these inhumane bigots?
Clearly, thinking like this is a sure sign that the influence of feminism has proven to be retrogressive to the human mind.
Society needs first to recognize and control its own involvement in the creation of violent men through its dependency on men for the death jobs. Society continues to condition men for the disposable roles men must fill. Before we lock anyone up for a "predisposition for violence" let's make sure the playing fields oppressing men are leveled with an equal number of disposable women. ...then let's see how women condition themselves to "fight with violence" to survive. ...then let's watch the coffers open up and social services be made available to women.
These supposed social intellectuals are nothing more than rank bigots who are displaying an obvious and contemptible misandry.
Sincerely, Ray
Why Blame Only Men for Violence then Send so Many Men to Combat
War is Just Another Excuse for Violence Against Men
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 08:52 PM December 26th, 2004 EST (#10)
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"Society needs first to recognize and control its own involvement in the creation of violent men through its dependency on men for the death jobs."
I agree.
p.george
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by Anonymous User on 11:08 PM December 26th, 2004 EST (#11)
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"Society needs first to recognize and control its own involvement in the creation of violent men..."
"I agree."
Sometimes I have the TV going in the background when I get onliine. The History channel is running its own historical program on Spartacus.
Let us hope that this coming year will be the critical mass in the men's movement, the year when the slaves (men) revolt (peacefully) against the unfairness that has been targeting them just because their men. It was a good year in 04, but a lot is still left undone.
It is good, very good, to see the ranks growing in the rebel slave (male) rebellion.
Sincerely, Ray
One of the favorite protest signs of NCFM is Equal Justice for Men
I've got to find that one armed, homeless man I saw begging on Burbank Blvd., and give him one of these. ...then let that feminist on the Ms. Board who asked, "Who would wear such things," ask her question.
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 06:21 AM December 27th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Ray,
What really sickened me about this programme was that the 'Father' who was NOT violent was locked up for potential violence yet, the Mother who WAS violent (broke her son's arm) was free to do as she pleased.
This was not even discussed. So much for stopping the violence then.
Also, it was mentioned that in twins one could be potentially violent the other not. No mention was made of the common link - the mother.
be well
west.
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by Raymond Cuttill on 12:36 PM December 27th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Yes, it's very conveniently ignoring the moat in their own eye whilst taking out the splinter in someone else’s. By not accepting that aggression, and potentially violence, is part of the human condition, they can talk about “violence”. “Violence” which is something out there that they can remove from the human race. The can do this by removing someone else’s children based on an imprecise psychological assessments and `tests on the grounds that they are potentially violent. This completely ignores not only human rights but this pursuit of a mythical non-violent world blinds them to the idea that they will ultimately be unsuccessful, at least in part because they will not look at one potential source of violence, themselves.
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by ArtflDgr on 11:04 AM December 28th, 2004 EST (#16)
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These "violent" tendencies are not what we as a society think they are. would a person with these tendencies do better in the wild? in a small group, ie tribe, would this person rise to the top? this is not to say that they would be a miserable person to be under, but satisfaction is not a survival criteria.
these different personalities have a place in the makeup of a functional group. this place might not have a seat reserved for it in current society. just watch an old movie starring the dead end kids (the bowery boys). try bogarts "dead end".
these boys are considered 'normal' and yet they are much more casually violent than people today, and they are equally thick skinned about it. the main characters chuckle about how they are rough but good kids at heart....
now come full circle to now when the level of violence is MUCH MUCH lower and we are much more sensitive to it.
this point of removing those that are violent or whatever reason the state wants,is part of our new cultural programing towards not solving problems but fixing symptoms....
we attack symptoms and not the problems. why? because people find it hard to correlate action when its abstract. the farther from the point we get the less we can effectively discuss what to do. so while its easy to come up with action committies and such to do somthiing about [insert issue] this year, there is no imputus to do something to stop [insert issue] completely.
it is actually one of the biggest challenges the mens movement has against it! it cant fight on playing fields that it fights well on because fighting on points of real fact is not valid. the feminists have trained the population to respond to emotional arguments because when a logical argument breaks down the emotional argument can win. and women can more easily win an emotional argument (especially when the weapon is logic itself, and you are bad for weilding the truth in such a brutal way!)
rehasing the eugenics era and the ills that came from that (small though they were compared to what can happen today or even tomorrow)... isnt going to make a dent. the whole series is an emotional argument. any real logic is suspect for its the tool of the patriarchy... what an evil tool it is.. anyway..logic dictates the progression... (and functional creep defines what will happen...)
the premise will start with finding out the most sick boys.. like those that torture animals and such... there will not be enough of these to justify costs and so the programs will need to define other things to remain viable. and so testing will be expanded...
it will start with broader and skewed testing..
then medication to ameliorate..
then maybe putting them in special classes...
whoops.. did i just describe the american education system and ritalin?
from there we will lock them up.. warehouse them.. we will come up with some nice name for it since juvinile hall and prison has such negative connotations and implies that the person that is there did something first.. no there will have to be a name to make it happy wondeful that we are helping pre-miscreants... now when we lock them away we will not be puting them in a sanitarium, but the happy home for boys destined to be wayward...
then someone will say.. hey? why am i paying for this? then prenatal testing will happen.. women will be able to exercise their right not to carry a deviant person that will not be of any use to society... it will be couched with things like..
"this year jane saved 20 women from the serial killer she could have carried to term..."
those that are warehoused may be executed, or put to work. probably the latter since there are no laws against putting an innocent into forced labor.
ok.. its fantasy.. with reality thrown in.. but its not all that much fantasy... you say its total fantasy? then read your history and tell me that forced sterilization, fertility crimes, forfeiture, searches without cause, racial killings, Stalins purges, Hilters cleansings...
note in all these things the public had to help them!
the way crazy things happen is no one thinks they can happen so no one wastes their energy stopping what cant ever happen.. with nothing stopping it the impossible becomes true and we are left sitting down after the fact wondering how we let it happen... and of course we will never do that again..
there are a lot of landmines to navigate in our near future and these things would be very hard to navigate without the bullshit.. technology will allow us to ask these questions again in a new way (before we measured skulls and weighed brains and it faded since those arguments didnt hold weight, now what happens when they do?), questions that should have been resolved irregardless of tech will be revisited with the added efficiency that tech brings..
i am glad i had a real childhood... you know.. the kind that they right about in books and that people dream about and wonder if it can really happen that way... why so glad.. then when i am senile and they are all nuts i will have something nice to look back on..
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