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News from Italy: First father's shelter, C/S Injustice
posted by Matt on 11:31 PM December 3rd, 2004
Inequality Linucs writes "If you do not speak Italian, good! You will not be able to fully understand these two very painful news items. First: if you are a divorced father, earn less than 650 euros/month, and have to pay for child support, do not have DV precedents, you're lucky: you may access the first father shelter! The article even suggests that these fathers will feel kind of younger, because - you see - it's like a college dorm. Second: a court of appeal just decided that a father has to pay child support for his two daughers. Too bad his daughters have 34 and 32 years: the court said that there's no age limit to "child" support, and he has to pay until his daughters get a job and become "independent". Now fathers have to "demonstrate" that the "children" willingly avoid working. (hey - I told you it was painful)"
Ed's note: You can use the "Translate a Web Page" facility at http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to translate these articles from Italian to English.

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F4J on italian state TV (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:45 PM December 4th, 2004 EST (#1)
There's a huge special on F4J on TV just right now.
translations please (Score:1)
by n.j. on 08:52 AM December 5th, 2004 EST (#2)
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We really need translations of this! There is a short summary in the German newspaper Die Welt (The World) but that one just doesn't cut it.
I think one important thing that should be organized is translations.

There's a very extensive and good article about the situation in Switzerland that has gotten worse after a reform in 2000 (in German):
http://www.facts.ch/dyn/magazin/gesellschaft/44236 8.html

The subtitle of the picture says that this guy found a detailed script in his wife's purse how she wanted to stage the divorce, get custody of the kids with the help of false accusations etc.

At least, they're recognizing the problem there and consider changing the law.

Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:2)
by Luek on 12:23 PM December 6th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Second: a court of appeal just decided that a father has to pay child support for his two daughers. Too bad his daughters have 34 and 32 years: the court said that there's no age limit to "child" support, and he has to pay until his daughters get a job and become "independent".

Hey, April 1st is a long way off! Or is this one of those silly Western Onion spoofs?

Either way, this is serious stuff and should be treated as such. This can't be for real!
Re:Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:1)
by Linucs on 05:17 PM December 6th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Well - yes, it's for real, and it was on many national newspapers. This is the good part. The bad part is that nothing actually happened: business as usual. And this was the end of a big court fight, not the beginning: this was the latest "appeal". So much for "justice".

If you knew what kind of advertisements pass on TV you'd understand why. Hey, if men are kept with their head down, at least there won't be a massive uprising once they find out about the central banking scams - every moment you're told where you belong: you belong at the bottom :-)
Re:Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:1)
by n.j. on 06:35 PM December 6th, 2004 EST (#5)
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Maybe you can get us a translation?

Re:Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:1)
by Linucs on 07:09 AM December 7th, 2004 EST (#7)
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Let me see what I can do :)
Re:Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:2)
by Luek on 08:04 PM December 6th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Just why do men in Italy still marry and have kids if this is the case? Do they enjoy having the civil rights of farm animals before their family court scheme?

Are men just basically masochistic when it comes to situations like this?
Re:Hey Guys This Is December Not April! (Score:1)
by Linucs on 07:27 AM December 7th, 2004 EST (#8)
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It works like this: men do not marry, and do not have kids any more, it's as simple as that. Politicians just hope that immigrants will pay for everybody's welfare (well, until they understand what's going on).

There's also a kind of fight to establish the same rights for "de facto couples" as married people, and I think you already know what "rights" means here. Maybe people are not trying to escape wedding and commitment, they're trying to escape eccessive "rights". Too bad these "rights" chase them and are highly regarded as "progress", therefore will chase us anyway.

There's also a little problem with rents: even if both people in a couple do work, there's virtually no money left at the end of the month (where "month" means "no cinema, no rented dvds, no nothing", just in case somebody was wondering).

When you're 30 and still can't leave home because it's way too expensive, the "media" will proudly tell you that you have the Peter Pan Syndrome and "fear commitment". Somebody will not leave home because they do not earn enough money, while others do the same because their PARENTS, after a life's work, could not save anything.

Television (and advertisement in general) is a battlefield. People do not even stop and think for a minute, as the media opinions may differ on politics but they all agree on... certain things.

The good news is that as soon as scientists find a way to get free energy from the media bullshit we'll become wealthy in a day...

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