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Airport Pat-Downs Too Intrusive, Say Some Women
posted by Matt on 12:04 PM November 30th, 2004
Inequality As tempted as I am to go off on an editorial, I will let MANN readers do the honors. Read it and laugh/weep/fume/etc.

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can you believe it? (Score:1)
by Tom on 01:07 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#1)
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This woman gets a pat down at the airport and she says:

    "I was almost in tears," she said. "I've never been so humiliated in my life. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had to endure."

Worst experiences? If that's the worst you have lived a charmed life. How much more can women be protected?


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Re:can you believe it? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:18 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#2)
Whaaaaaahhh!
Boo hoo, I'm being treated just like any man would!
Build a bridge and GET OVER it lady.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:can you believe it? (Score:2)
by Thomas on 02:24 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#3)
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If that's the worst you have lived a charmed life.

Precisely what I was thinking. When I consider the years of brutal, public beatings that I suffered, as a little boy, at the hands of the nuns at St. Cecilia's School in Stamford, Connecticut, not to mention facing the draft during the Vietnam war, all I can think is this is one spoiled rotten female.

Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.

Re:can you believe it? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:11 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#4)
I have little doubt that 99.9% of all men (myself included) subjected to the same pat-down, except in the case of a man it would be between the legs and not the pecs, would simply say "Hey, watch it pal", walk away and joke about it over a beer with his goombahs. Well, maybe after 6 months of intensive psychoanalysis because of the humiliation of it all.

But, lest I sound too crass, I'm sure the offended lady was just sticking up for all of her oppressed sisters inalienable right to avoid such an embarrassing procedure because it's her "choice" whether or not to hide a bomb in her brassiere and no law should be made that would limit any woman's freedom of choice.

Re:can you believe it? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:14 PM December 19th, 2004 EST (#14)
I have actually been stripped and probed with rubber gloved fingers at one US airport. How gross can our security services get? What the hell were they looking for?? I am a blonde 19 year old female who does not resemble a terrorist or drug runner in the least. I plan on suing the State of Texas and US Customs for this heinous offense. If they want some nookie they should go out and buy it or at least be able to get it without resorting to this.....
Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:1)
by A.J. on 04:30 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#5)
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"I've never been so humiliated in my life. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had to endure."

OK readers, everyone whose worst experience compares with a pat down at the airport raise your hands.

Now, everyone who has their hands raised is assigned to give us a first hand report of last month’s NOW meeting.
Re:Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:1)
by Kyo on 04:41 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#6)
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The article also say that women are being "disproportionately" selected for these friskings. Considering that the government's typical terrorim suspect is a young middle-eastern male, I can't imagine that this claim is true -- let's see some figures.

More likely, these women oomplaining *feel* as if they're being singled out, and when you feel something emotionally, heck, who needs facts?
Re:Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 05:24 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#7)
Indeed, who is pumping out these "statistics"? The same statisticians that write the feminist manifestos? Considering that only women pat down other women, does this mean that these security personnel are either sadistic, domineering, or lesbian? - or all 3. I don't see any men copping a feel. If men aren't to blame, why all the fuss? You mean that this woman has a gripe about a fellow sister??? Oh, the humanity. Where's the solidarity among the oppressed? Does this mean that the oppressed have also become oppressors?
Re:Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:09 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#8)
>>> Does this mean that the oppressed have also become oppressors?

Primary power of women is weakness, aka the victim power. Look how ready are they are at wielding it. Believe or not, some of them were simply feeling invincible.
Re:Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:39 PM December 2nd, 2004 EST (#13)
I remember reading this quote somewhere. (off a cereal box, maybe...?) Any way, it said that; "women's greatest strength is their facade of weakness. Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength."
Don't know. something to chew on, I guess.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Privileged, Pampered, and Pompous (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:37 AM December 2nd, 2004 EST (#11)
A girl grab my balls full on when I was about 11. I was wearing sweat pants. She laughed, and bragged about it in front of the other kids. I laughed it off, because that's all I could do...

I've also been frisked by a female cop on a busy street in front of all the stopped cars. Twice by her. I was relieved to finally be let free. I walked home and waited until my nerves calmed.

And I was circumsized.

I only cried for one of those things

boo-hoo me

it's a tragedy that these poor women must endure life at all....spoiled Beyaatchs

Huge Overreaction (Score:1)
by DeepThought (deep.42.thought@gmailEARTH.com) on 10:06 PM November 30th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Ok, so, when I read the title I imagined in my mind a "pat down" worthy of being offended about... from a pat about the crotch to a grope of the breast in question. That would be acceptable to complain about, and goes a little too far. However, let's look at a direct quote:

"...she was asked to step aside for additional screening. What happened next shocked her: Using an open hand, a security agent touched her on her shoulders, under her arms, around her waist, across her bra strap, and between her breasts, Gaynier said — all in front of other passengers."

It was then followed by this line:

""I was almost in tears," she said. "I've never been so humiliated in my life. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had to endure.""

I had to scroll back up to check for the offensive part. So, apparently this "security agent" (carfully a non-gender specific term) was guilty of thoroughly checking a passenger pulled aside for a thorough screening. I've seen pre-teens pulled aside and their carry-ons ripped through, old men forced to take off their shoes while balancing against a glass pane, and my sister as a baby searched under in her carriage, all in the name of security. All in front of "every other passenger". Is it going over the line? I think so, yes... but does this particular woman have the right to complain about this particular event? Not so much.

""Post-9/11, we have all come to accept a certain level of inconvenience and intrusion," she said. "I will tolerate that. But you want to touch my body, you better have a damn good reason, and they don't.""

Ah, acutally, sister, they do. You said it youself. "Post-9/11", you have to "accept a certain level of inconvienence and intrusion" for the sake of security. Hopefully when a female bomber makes it aboard a plane because searching cavities in a cavity search is banned for women, the entire plane is full of these people.

-DeepThought --- Erase the EARTH to gmail me.
Re:Huge Overreaction (Score:1)
by Kyo on 08:02 AM December 1st, 2004 EST (#10)
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Deep Thought --

And surely when this happens, the media -- desperately clinging to the idea that women can never do evil, no matter what -- will angrily search for the evil MALE terrorists who took advantage of the profiling system to send an innocent female dupe to her death.
Re:Huge Overreaction (Score:1)
by SacredNaCl on 12:02 PM December 2nd, 2004 EST (#12)
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I'm from a somewhat different school of thought on this. I want the government hired lackies to have *less* authority at the airport. The TSA is pretty downright abusive because they have unchecked power, and can simply put you in a cell for 96 hours because of a complaint. Let them complain.

While I don't think they are being treated that much differently (but probably better) than male passengers, I'm appauled at the gestapo in place period. I'm not afraid of terrorist, the odds are pretty low. The odds I have to deal with a knuckle dragging government security thug are now 100%. The odds I have to deal with them multiple times to go anywhere and be subjected to mindless inquiry are also 100%.

While her story isn't that shocking, the stories of the husband carted off after he questioned the TSA after they frisked his wife and put her into tears, or the mother forced to drink breast milk, or the handicapped man dragged out of his chair and forced to stand on his not fixed yet implant rods (for artificial legs) .... these happen, and worse happens but you haven't heard about it.

The gestapo IS a problem. I was against it then, I'm against it now. I show my displeasure by driving to where I want to go. If that is how they treat their customers, I elect not to be one. But the cancer at the airport is spreading, and if we don't draw a line in the sand somewhere it's going to be everywhere that we have to deal with them. That isn't how I want to live.


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