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by Anonymous User on 06:51 PM November 23rd, 2004 EST (#1)
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here's this site having a hge dicussion on this. Of course notice the sympathy she gets. Now if this were a man I would doubt he would be given such sympathy. I would not be hard for me to believe that they would be outraged at him, and in some cases overtly because of his gender.
I read the article to their link but did not see anything said about anti-depressant meds causing her to do this, but it seems that is part of the consenus there. And the other part seems to be giving sympathy to her because of her mental disorder/s.
Some blame post-martum.
But the most interesting thing I find of all, is there is so much talk of the child. It's more about sympathy and concern for the 'poor' mother. If this were a man I do not believe this would be the case. They would be discussing the trauma of the child and the family much more in depth. And of course not to forget the concern for the wife of the hypothetical husband who did something like this.
I find that last part pretty interesting. If the husband had done this, I do not doubt at all that they'd be concerned for the wife for losing her child and going through this trauma. No matter if the husband had a diagnosed mental issue or not.
No matter what the sympathy goes to the woman, even above that of the children it seems.
p. george
(amazingly I didn't find any male bashing on here as of yet, here's a couple quotes. Nothing too much interesting there though. I nmy opinion)
"I ASSURE you all, this woman was on anti depressants and who knows what else. I am SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of the cover up by the powers that be about the dangers of these drugs.Andrea Yates, who killed her children was ALSO a victim, as were her children, "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=view_all&address=102x1014743#1014863
another quote
"Obviously she should have
given the child up, or gone to seek help, but she clearly wasn't capable of rational thought.
Maybe it's because I was up until 2am with my 4 month old last night, but I do feel compassion for the woman. There's enough tragedy in this story to go around."
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"Of course notice the sympathy she gets. Now if this were a man I would doubt he would be given such sympathy."--p george
I agree. A father who mutilated his infant wouldn't get the sympathy that this mother is getting. I felt the same way about the Andrea Yates tragedy. When mothers flip out and kill their small children, the media and the mental health establishment present excuses and shift blame. You don't see anywhere near the effort to shift blame when a mentally ill man harms or kills his children.
I remember several years ago a mentally ill black woman killed her kids -- four, I think. The local newspaper gushed with sympathy for the poor woman who had had a tough life and had been neglected and isolated. If a father had done that, I'm pretty certain the paper would have regarded him as a brutal, selfish monster.
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I agree about the sympathy she gets. There is almost no mention of anyone else being a victim at all even the murdered child. In Britain there is a popular programme called Richard and Judy and they discussed infanticide once and concluded it was just a tragedy. No thought of punishing a woman who did it or no programme to try and find other mothers who might do it. Almost like a car accident. You grieve and move on. Since Richard and Judy believe it's like a bolt of lightning and won't strike again I'm sure they would be surprised by any suggestion that they might be enablers in some way. In other words that another mother even in her psychosis might have a notion at the back of her mind that she could be facing a death penalty or at least a life sentence, and this might even stop her.
"To actually sever the arms suggests something special was going on," said psychiatrist Phillip Resnick, who testified in the trials of Laney and Yates.
No, throwing a surprise 16th birthday party is something special, not cutting a baby's arms off
""It suggests on its face that there was some specialized psychotic thinking, but you just don't know."
Well, if the psychiatrists do not know then perhaps she could just be a murderer pretending to be insane and well deserving of the death penalty, "but you just don't know" so why take a chance. Execute her and save all these poor psychiatrists having to figure it out.
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Ok I might as well be blunt. SOME OPINIONS EXPRESSED might not be suitable for all. After I seen this article I sat back and thought about it(not much was going on at work today).
At first I got hot because another child was MURDERED for no reason. Then I thought about it from a fathers perspective. How would I feel if I recieved a call at work telling me my son/daughter had thier arms removed by thier mother, and my child had passed. The bitch would be beatin at first site.
Its not about the sympathy or the male bashing. Its about the useless slaughter and abuse of our kids at womens & guys hands. How many more have to die before the damn goverment will help them?
What jerks my chain is that they want to interveiw the surviving kids and father. Why can't the father have them? Why is the mother not in jail?
The world has 900 billion reasons why a father is unfit, anything from scratching himself to much, driving to fast, or what ever else we do that is male. But there is only one reason for a mother to be unfit(at least in Missouri), drug use.
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by Anonymous User on 09:58 PM November 23rd, 2004 EST (#4)
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"How many more have to die before the damn goverment will help them?"
The "Nanny State" is the ultimate "unfit parent."
The government has been pandering to every family destroying interest for years, and so today we reap the whirlwind of that heartless, money grubbing hell in the death of this little child. We are not so mighty a nation, when we (the people) show so little care to those (the people - especially the little ones) we should be cherishing.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:44 AM November 24th, 2004 EST (#7)
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maybe the father can't have them, if he was living in the house when the "red flags" were going off and he didn't feel the need to remove the children from harms way. You see this happen in DV situations sometimes, the children just get removed, regardless of whose the aggressor. There has to be more information on this case or something that isn't being said.
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by Anonymous User on 11:12 AM November 24th, 2004 EST (#8)
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just a little bit of reading and you may have found that the father did see "red flags" and told authorities. Then the authorities checked her out and gave her the green flag.
You seem to easily assume there is possible guilt for the father without any information (that I've seen, and you've admitted not knowing) or signs of this, other than his wife going mental and killing her child.
When a man does that, the wife is not assumed cupability, but victimhood as well.
The traditional male role is not only to be solely responsible for his actions, but also be--- or at least to some degree--responsible for his wife's actions as well.
It seems when a woman does something like this, we must alos find someone, or some thing to also have blame. But not with men. At least it seems to me.
"Schlosser was hospitalized for a few days. Her other two daughters were released to their father, who told authorities Schlosser had been acting strangely since the birth of the third child, The Dallas Morning News reported.
Once she was released from the hospital, Schlosser agreed to seek counseling and saw a psychiatrist, Gonzales said.
"When we investigated her case and opened the case up for intensive family based safety services, we referred Mom to services that she fully participated in," said Geoff Wool, Department of Family and Protective Services spokesman.
Wool said the state agency conducted extensive monitoring of the case and accompanied Schlosser and her family on some visits to mental health services.
Wool and Gonzales said they could not say whether Schlosser was on medication.
The case was closed in August.
"At the time we closed the case, we had been assured that Mom was stabilized and that she was not a risk to herself or her children," Wool told The Associated Press.
"There were never any indications of violence with this family," Gonzales told the AP. "The children had always been healthy, happy and cared for."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/291 3542
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by Anonymous User on 11:15 AM November 24th, 2004 EST (#9)
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I posted the above. Forgot to sign my name. (I don't want to get an official handle)
p. george
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Even with all the gnashing of teeth, those who seem to be hard core Democrats remain clueless as to why they got clobbered for president, clobbered in the Senate races, clobbered in the house races, and clobbered in Governors races.
I skimmed it pretty fast, but there was sure a lot about what a VICTIM this woman was - of her depression, of the big drug companies, of the vile "patriarchy", and as far as I saw not even ONE mention of the fact that a helpless infant had her ARMS CHOPPED OFF AND BLED TO DEATH.
Ever day this culture gets noticably sicker.
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Looks like this "culture" is getting a very big sponsor...
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/sgsm9613.do c.htm
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by Anonymous User on 12:01 AM November 25th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Secretary-General Kofi Annan says:
What is needed is real, positive change that will give more power and confidence to women and girls.
Jake says:
Hey Dopey Assin, what planet are you living on?
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On a positive note, despite the article gushing with sympathy, this woman has been charged with capital murder, which is a good sign she won't get away with a slap on the wrist.
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I hope you're right but this charge may not amount to anything when the psychiatrists finish giving their reports on this woman. The reason we have had an infanticide Act in the UK since 1836 is that juries would not convict baby killing mothers of murder charges when the punishment was hanging. I would be surprised if this woman it doesn't get away with some sort of insanity plea, which would probably mean at most a few years in some mental hospital.
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