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It's all about Power and Control. Of course Victoria Coren doesn't want the woman in any way punished or exposed for the lying piece of filth she is, that would diminish the P&C women like that are able to weild.
As long as SOME women can get men ruined or jailed with false rape alligations, all men are under threat of being ruined or jailed. Power and Control, it's that simple. She has it and doesn't want to lose it.
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Can some members of my sex make me hate them even more? I don't think so.
When will my sex just get a nice ass kicking that teaches them that they can't keep pulling this unjust shit, that only a spoiled, pampered, coddled, and priveleged sex like mine could get away with?
*GODDAMN* these women who make me hate my own sex. I would be nice to actually *like* my sex for one minute, but it's hard when I keep seeing women like this in the headlines and even in my own dormitory.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Hey, I still like your sex, though I'm very very wary. Just like rape is actually quite rare, so are false accusations (except maybe in the Air Force Academy). I don't project that negativity onto your sex as a whole.
I do find it outrageous that a woman can admit she just made it all up to put a man in jail and ruin him, and walk away with a scolding. And then bitches like the one at the Guardian support her because the guy was insensitive or some shit. JFC, he's allowed to get up and walk off after sex, just like women are. That woman should be jailed for at least the same amount of time the man spent behind bars. In fact, I would sentence her to the same sentence a real rapist would have to serve.
The women I know are not psychopaths like that, but they are spoiled and pampered, and have guys trained to serve them and suck up to all their anal sensitivities.
Did something like this happen in your dorm?
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"Did something like this happen in your dorm?"
A bitch last year made a false accusation of rape against a guy because he was the hall director and had written her up because she was committing an act of vandalism. She admitted later on that she was "joking" so the charges were dropped, but the accusation was put on the poor guy's record and he can't get a job because of it. When you're in the trenches of the most spoiled sex like I am, trust me, your disdain is forever growing, and mine is still growing.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Thea, It is one of life's great ironies that the thing that could destroy a man with a capricious whim, can also be the greatest treasure in his life. It's all a matter of how that person values men. That is why I rant against feminism so strongly. It frustrates me how many men I am aquainted with who...just because THEIR ox has not yet been gored...insist on believing that feminists represent some nobel cause and I am but a bitter old crank.
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Oh you're not an old crank. Just an old guy who speaks the truth and tries to educate his fellow man (and woman) :-)
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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>>>When will my sex just get a nice ass kicking that teaches them that they can't keep pulling this unjust shit, that only a spoiled, pampered, coddled, and priveleged sex like mine could get away with?
They will NEVER get comeuppance for doing this kind of thing because society *allows* them do so. If women flaunting and abusing their power was considered "wrong", THEN women like this would be frowned upon. But women are *encouraged* and permitted to use and abuse their power, therefore they are doing nothing "wrong".
Society's views need to be altered first.
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I couldn't have said it better. And it doesn't just stop there. On every issue that's involved in the 'war between the genders' (and it is a war) women are the first to cry, "Men are just trying to control us..." But what you really see is that women have been the ones controlling things from the dawn of time.
Men go out and hunt, women stay home with the kids...
Men go off to war and die, women stay home with the kids...
Men go to work and do hazardous life threatening jobs, women stay home with the kids...
Men fight and die for a supposed democracy that allows women to stay home with the kids...or not, and all women can say is, "Men are trying to control everything." Ironic that it's democracy that allows a woman to cry rape just because she feels offended and yet there's no reprocussions.
What would happen to a man, if he tryed to pull the same stunt as this woman? His ass would've ended up behind bars. So I ask you, who really controls whom?
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by Anonymous User on 10:54 AM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#15)
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A woman's hurt pride is equivalent to a man's destroyed life, what else was to be expected? Welcome to the lower castes.
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by Anonymous User on 04:25 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#2)
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So let me get this straight, a man's life was ruined because of a man-starved woman didn't get a cuddle and decided to lie about being raped and now women are the victims? Is this bizarro world!?
How do all these liberated women expect to spend the rest of their lives with men if they have to resort to this kind of childish and just plain wrong behavior in order to get what they want from them. So much for just talking things through.
~Geese R. Howard
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by Anonymous User on 08:11 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#5)
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I can't believe this journalist, Victoria Cohen. That guy could have spent more than a decade in jail on a false rape charge. And Ms. Victoria whines:
But then I thought: what's wrong with wanting a bloody cuddle anyway? This poor woman had sent Rush 'sexy text messages', presumably because she was trying to impress him and 'I'd like to hold your hand' sounded too needy. When did it become uncool to be human?
The self-absorption of these women is mind-boggling. Hey, baby, you made yourself less than human long ago!
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Victoria Cohen asks "When did it become uncool to be human?"
The answer is quite simple, it began on the day feminazis started to treat men as non-humans and it will end only on the day the last feminazi has vanished from this planet.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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I wrote a response to her. I went to the newspaper to send the letter to her or the editor, but can not see a way to do it. I could use some help if anyone is so inclined.
Here is the letter (about 1 1/2 pages). It's very polite and I hope it "gets through" (emotionally) to her and/or makes her think:
Dear MS Cohen,
I recently read your article "Beware the rebound, I say: stay single'. I imagine you got quite a few angry responses for this. This won't be one of them. At first I wanted to fire off a few choice words, but I knew you might get more from this letter (and actually read it, lol) if I presented you with a reasoned request for rethinking your unjust stance on, and light-hearted dismissal of a false allegation of rape.
I write to you as a man who survived a false allegation of rape. Despite the light spin you put on this vile crime, I can quite assure you the effects of such a charge are horrific. Words, since we already use superlatives on soap commercials, to describes meaningless trivia, and to aggrandize yet another boring news day ... words cannot describe what happens to whole swaths of your life when falsely accused.
To stay on point I will quote you from your article, and then, with as gentle and reasonable a voice as I can muster try to differentiate what you published versus the reality that men go through during this months long ordeal
You wrote:
" .... and she was hurt when he abandoned her immediately afterwards. The defendant explained to a newspaper: "If I'd spent an hour cuddling her instead of rushing off, I would never have been accused of rape ... She expected me to stay with her and make her feel special.' Well, Duh."
Ms Cohen, whether a man OR a woman does what WE want or has proper etiquette is besides the point. The still unnamed false accuser (how convenient for her to remain hidden) had to change what happened in her story to make it rape. Which means she lied. Which by definition means she thought that what he did alone, however rude or not, was not illegal. In plain English, she had to make up a whole other story because hers had NO rape.
There's no excuse for a false allegation of rape. There is no mitigation for it, nor excuse. I think you may have read some sexist commentary from not so long ago that may have read: "Yes, he may have gotten rough with her, but she expected him to pay for dinner and not get sex? Duh". And, rightfully so you would have possibly thought: "That's monstrous!"
If a woman has sex with a man, and after it's over runs off to see her friends instead of fulfilling a man's wants, do you find it acceptable to imprison her? Put her name in the paper as a sexual predator, while giving him anonymity? If what Giles Rush did was so wrong ... the false accuser would not have had to change her story. It is unforgivable that she would use the violence by proxy of the police, legally and financially devastate someone's life, make the man a social pariah, and do so with complete impunity from the law. And for what? Because a man displeased her? He didn't cuddle with her? However, had she not cuddled with him, for a variety of reasons, I don't see you nor any other woman calling for her incarceration and public humiliation. And this woman did not recover her sense after her lover had been arrested, he had to be acquitted. So, in essence this sociopath would rather an man who had displeased her spend time in prison (and all the tender loving care therein) rather than admit she told a lie due to her being miffed about not being "held". That is hardly what feminism is about, at least not according to what my mother taught me at her knee.
Ms Cohen I could relate to you, in detail that would sound melodramatic only to those who had not been through it, what happens, step by step, after you are falsely accused of rape, but that would take pages and pages. Suffice to say, it's a months long process that unravels the nerves, sorely tests friendships and family, and, even if cleared, marks you legally as a monster.
Instead, I will simply reverse the situation to show the inequity of the situation. Imagine if you will that any woman who displeases a man can be incarcerated. It's based solely on his subjective whim, and even if he is proven to be a liar, nothing will happen to him. He can have a woman arrested, pulled out of his house, paraded in front of others in shackles, be called the most vile names in our language (who is more vile than a rapist to you Ms Cohen - save, maybe a child molester), have her name put in the paper, while her accuser remains anonymous, possibly lose her job (how long have you had your career Ms Cohen?), pay an attorney all the money you can beg or borrow while your accuser pays none, and ALL of this simply because any woman simply miffed some man.
Imagine the very real fear every woman would have to endure that if she did not please a man, in the manner he wants, regardless of her feelings, she could have her life shattered. I have heard from some rape-advocates that women face this with rape. I counter that men who rape can be accused and possibly made to pay.
As I said in the beginning, I hope my letter is well received and might give you some food for thought. You column was disturbing in how it made light of those falsely accused, mitigate the sociopathic behavior of the false accuser, and gave the impression that the man had "learned his lesson and will cuddle with her and make her tea rather than displease" the woman who can devastate his life. At any time, should you be so inclined, just reverse the genders of the two people, and you will see the magnitude of the power imbalance, the misuse of our courts, and the impunity given to the false accusers both by our courts and our press.
With abiding respect,
L. Steven Beene II
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Steven, that's a great letter and it certainly avoids the vitriol that I'd probably end up throwing at her!
One comment I wanted to make:
"So, in essence this sociopath would rather an man who had displeased her..."
about two thirds of the way through, should probably read:
"So, in essence this sociopath would rather have a man who had displeased her...
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I appreciate you catching that typo!
I changed it.
I posted it.
We'll see.
The reason I wrote such a gentle response is practice, and from learning that no matter how righteous our anger may be: the feminazis will twist our words and people outside the movement won't understand it.
I'll see if my "letter" is posted tomorrow.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Steven,
Despite what the article says, I'm pretty sure her name is COREN.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 11:29 AM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#17)
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This page has some contact details for her, but no direct email address:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/contacts/page/0,764 6,505073,00.html
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Reply in this thread: http://ichat.thisislondon.co.uk/messageboards/thre adnonInd.jsp?forum=18&thread=214927&message=507514
I posted as vblnk.
The feminazis show once again how hateful and disgusting they are.
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This woman is dangerous. How many other men is she planning to accuse in the future ?
Why the hell is her name still withheld in anonymity when she is the CRIMINAL here ?
Goddamn biased feminazi courts and newspapers.
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I think we need a False Accusers' Register, and this woman's name needs to be on it.
Some of the women who do this do it not just once, but repeatedly.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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I posted this (my second reply) on the "This is London" site.
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#1
auntiemavis
“And with the way the courts are stacked against the victims I don't blame them for not reporting it.”
I would question how you could possibly come to the erroneous conclusion that the system is "stacked against victims”. Now, first, it must be said that I am an American, but have read about the system in G.B. [full disclosure]. The alleged victim is given free legal advice, access to rape advocates, support that is tax funded, counseling during the process, and usually garners great sympathy simply by turning on the “water works”. None of these support systems nor sympathy are there for the accused.
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auntiemavis
”If men were raped on a regular basis (I know it happens its just not as common), the rape legislation would be sorted pronto. Until that happens women will not receive justice.”
Respectfully, you seem to be under the erroneous impression that politicians care about men and their plight at all. I would bet that you can name quite a few politicians who have declared themselves “pro-woman”, concerned about women’s issues, and who call themselves feminists. Can you name 1 that says the same in the name of men?
Also, many men ARE raped. I have one word for you to consider: Prison. It is estimated that 10-20% of inmates are raped. They are not raped once and allowed to see a counselor. No, they are raped, usually gang raped until they “break”, and often bought and sold as virtual/literal sex slaves. I would invite you to do the math on # of prisoners divided by 10-20%, and then multiply by the number of days in a year to come to the proper # for the incidents of rape on men per year. In case you misperceive that “they deserve it”, I can only offer that NO ONE deserves it and that the ones raped in prison are not raped based on crime committed, but rather simply by size and gang affiliation.
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tuffkitty
“This world over there are WAY TOO few convictions so while there is a teeny minority of sick women who actually lie, there are far more genuine victims that the law must protect.”
There were two comprehensive studies carried out on false accusations in the U.S. The rate of false accusations in those studies was 42% and over 60%. In case you are interested they are known as the “Kanin Report” and a well known U.S.A.F. study. These numbers may seem unbelievable to you, as they did me. However, understand this, this was the % of women who CONFESSED to having made it up. You might say that some that confessed to lying were not lying, to which I would ask you to consider that many more simply did not confess. Give it some thought. False rape accusations are not a minor %, no matter what propaganda you may have heard.
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oknst
“around 9% of complaints result in convictions and the system itself is discriminatory and balanced in favour of defendants, whatever individuals may say after acquittals. If the only way to protect women is by also granting men anonymity, then maybe it should be considered. But if we get rid of anonymity for rape victims, then the numbers of convictions, already absolutely dire, shall fall still further.”
I would, respectfully, disagree with your conclusion. The system, as I outlined above is highly sympathetic and supportive of victims. I would, again respectfully, challenge you to show me the support apparatus for the accused. If more false accusers were named and PUNISHED the # of false allegations would fall. The # of false accusations, in my opinion, is due directly to the fact there is no deterrent. This case we are discussing is a perfect example. It was quite obviously a false allegation, made months after the fact, by a spiteful and self-serving child in a woman’s body. Were the sham cases removed from the system the rate of convictions would climb dramtically.
#2
“Despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by people known to the assailant, most members of the public still have it ingrained, deep in their subconscious, that ‘real’ rape involves strangers, alleys and knifes.”
I am highly surprised to hear you say this. Since rape advocacy and education have been a MANDATORY part of our education system for over 20 years. There are movies, specials, PSAs (Public Service Announcements – called in the U.S.), and a flood of “experts” each time there is an article in the news media. Most of the public I know knows that date-rape is the most prevalent form of rape.
I would, of course, welcome any replies.
L Steven Beene II
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Maybe it'll help.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 09:09 PM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#24)
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most members of the public still have it ingrained, deep in their subconscious, that ‘real’ rape involves strangers, alleys and knifes.”
That explains why the penalty for rape is about 25 years in jail. A lot of "date rape" probably isn't worth any more severe punishment than accidentally driving through a stop sign. Hope the feminazi help educate the public about that problem, esp. given the huge number of males already in jail.
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by Anonymous User on 12:25 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#18)
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Civil Suit. I would drag her back into court.
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Perhaps its time that we all admit openly that the real problem with feminism, is that its the politisisation of the female mind.
Historically men viewed women as fundamentally differant than men. And for that they were criticised as sexist, mysogynist and hatefull. And after 40 years of criticising men, the criticisms themselves have been accepted as valid.
And yet the very things that men saw as differant in women, their capacity for hysteria, their denial of all things rational, as well as their selfish interpretation of all things. Are in fact the very things that underlie all female political action and commentary.
This isnt just a feminist problem, its a female one.
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LST's post above with the link to their forum was quite useful.
If anyone wants to post there to help out our arguments and educate the public .. go for it.
LST posted a link above, but there is a space in the link .. take out the space, put the address in your browswer, and join in!
Let's get the public educated.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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