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by Anonymous User on 11:17 AM October 18th, 2004 EST (#1)
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There is nothing pseudoscientific or even particularly feminist about the distinction between sex and gender. Sex is defined as the biological make-up of an individual--XX (female) or XY (male). Unfortunately, this definition fails to take into consideration other genetic make-ups such as X0, XXX, XXY, XYY, XXXX, XXXXX, XXXY, and XXXXY.
Gender is defined as the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex--what behaviors, attitudes and psychological traits a society or culture considers to masculine or feminine.
Animal Planets mistakenly uses the term gender interchangeably with sex. As they are separate concepts, and gender hinges upon the socio-cultural expression of masculine and feminine traits, animals do not have a gender.
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by Anonymous User on 12:19 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#2)
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I never pay any attention to these "BATTLE OF THE SEXES" things in the media.
This IS the media, y' know. The so called "battle of the sexes" thing is ALWAYS a fixed fight, to make sure that the female comes out as "SUPIRIOR".
The one time I ever saw this not to be the case, was on the show "CELEBRITY BOXING", when Joey Butafuco fought Joanie Lauer. (Chyna)
The match was not fixed at all and Butafuco won. Although I thought Lauer did a pretty good job. (I'd like to clobber Butafuco myself!)
Other than that, any "Battle of the sexes" thing you see in the media is ALWAYS a fix-job.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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People really should not say "sex"when they mean "gender"because it does lead to confusion and misconception. I can remember a time when young girls who were just being indoctrinated into feminism thought that anyone from the hippy era who enjoyed sex was a "Sexist" (the notion that a sexist was someone who did not believe in equality of the two genders confused the little dears hehhehe) I can also recall when people were trying to get employers and others to refrain from asking things on application forms that had nothing to do with what was being applied for would reply to the question "Religion" with "Heathen" and to the question "sex" with "sometimes". We all have a gender wether or not we have sex.
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I saw this episode of "Animal Kingdom" listed in TV Guide.
Is it true that Lynddie England ( a la Abu Ghraib Iraq prison scandal fame) is narrating?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 12:00 PM October 19th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Roy,
You're kidding, right?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:22 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#5)
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
gen·der (jndr)
n.
The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture.
The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Main Entry: gen·der
Pronunciation: 'jen-d&r
Function: noun
1 : SEX 1
2 : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
gender
\Gen"der\, n. [OF. genre, gendre (with excrescent d.), F. genre, fr. L. genus, generis, birth, descent, race, kind, gender, fr. the root of genere, gignere, to beget, in pass., to be born, akin to E. kin. See Kin, and cf. Generate, Genre, Gentle, Genus.] 1. Kind; sort. [Obs.] ``One gender of herbs.'' --Shak.
2. Sex, male or female. [Obs. or Colloq.]
3. (Gram.) A classification of nouns, primarily according to sex; and secondarily according to some fancied or imputed quality associated with sex.
Gender is a grammatical distinction and applies to words only. Sex is natural distinction and applies to living objects. --R. Morris.
Note: Adjectives and pronouns are said to vary in gender when the form is varied according to the gender of the words to which they refer.
Usage Note: Traditionally, gender has been used primarily to refer to the grammatical categories of “masculine,” “feminine,” and “neuter,” but in recent years the word has become well established in its use to refer to sex-based categories, as in phrases such as gender gap and the politics of gender. This usage is supported by the practice of many anthropologists, who reserve sex for reference to biological categories, while using gender to refer to social or cultural categories. According to this rule, one would say The effectiveness of the medication appears to depend on the sex (not gender) of the patient, but In peasant societies, gender (not sex) roles are likely to be more clearly defined. This distinction is useful in principle, but it is by no means widely observed, and considerable variation in usage occurs at all levels.
As is clear from the various sources both definitions do apply. But what remains even clearer from the way it is most commonly used in media and culture is that the definiton of "sex" is the overwhelming defintion in use.
And i agree with Thunder Cloud, the only thing likely to come from this or any program on gender thats been filtered through the female bias of mainstream media is more contempt for the male.
Men are bigger stronger faster and smarter. Designed to dominate everything save the nursery, yet the producers will still find some way of spinning this to insure that its the female not the male thats shown in control of all things.
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by Anonymous User on 07:05 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Well according to Daphne Patai (Professing Feminism and Heterophobia) and Christina Hoff Sommers Who Stole Feminism and The War on Boys gender feminist's believe that one's biological sex is a social construction and that we are all androgenous (sp?) at birth.
Of course there is strong evidence to the contrary, and more evidence now than ever that we are hard wired at birth to be male or female. Of course there are some variations from the norms, but they are very much the exception, not the rule.
Gender feminism is the law of man not the law of nature, and it ruthlessly harasses heterosexual boys and girls with its bigoted views regarding the biology of human sexuality.
The laws of nature don't buy the nonsense of the gender feminists and neither do I. When are the politicians going to get there heads out of the sand and stop pandering to the hard core, gender feminist, hate mongers who are harming so many good people (men, women, and children)?
Ray
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I'm 22 years old, and my whole life, I've seen in the media that boys cannot be allowed win over girls cuz that would be sexist/patriarchal/oppressive, but it's okay for girls to win over boys cuz that's simply EMPOWERING. Nothing more than that, guys. It's all a girl-promoting propganda.
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by Anonymous User on 12:02 PM October 19th, 2004 EST (#9)
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That's what I was saying.
(See my earlier post under "gender vs. sex".)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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The whole and entire feminist "schtook" to use a Yiddish term can be put into this nutshell...all feminist rhetoric and "logic"is founded upon accepting the premise that men ARE and invariably ARE...abusers of power and abusers of women. If you accept that premise...you are a feminist. If you see that premise for what it actually is...the assertion of assexual or three-titted diesel dyke mysandrist cosmic filth waste of the earth's oxygen boorish biggotted shit maggots...then you are NOT a feminist....
Hope that made the basic issue clearer for you...welcome to the MANN forum.
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by Anonymous User on 01:11 PM October 19th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Could someone from Kuehl's district please tell me why this vile creature gets re-elected? Is her district ultra-liberal or are the men simply not well informed?
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by Anonymous User on 07:45 PM October 19th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Her district is very heavily Democrat. Santa Monica among other places. She's firmly entrenched under the big tent with all the other radical/gender feminists.
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by Anonymous User on 01:06 PM October 22nd, 2004 EST (#15)
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"What district does Sheila Kuehl represent?"
Probaly HELL...,
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by Anonymous User on 01:07 PM October 22nd, 2004 EST (#16)
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Oops.
That should have been "PROBABLY hell".
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The only show I can think of that bucks the -let-the-girls-win-because-we-secretly-feel-sorry- for-them-and-must-please-the-feminist-controlled-b ig-wigs, is MTV's current "Real World/Road Rules: Battle of the Sexes". This is their second season, and they tend to have tasks that require physical stamina, which is in favor of men, so the men usually win. It is unfair that they don't balance it out more, but sadly in the feminist-dominated media, it is oddly refreshing to see boys allowed to kick ass regardless of any PC-ness or lack of that is.
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All of this is SOOOOO silly. If any feminist assertion in this regard has ANY validity whatsoever then why pray tell is giving a female athlete male hormones still regarded as cheating?
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