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Whilst it sounds good, it is in fact incorrect. Speaking as a professional International Toastmaster & Master of Ceremonies (based in England) I can advise on all forms of address. However, in this instance, it is wise not to be too pedantic !
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by Anonymous User on 07:56 AM October 18th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Dear "Gang-banged",
It is not clear to me what you mean by "it is in fact incorrect". What is incorrect?
Here is why I choose to address a mixed-sex audience as "Lords and Ladies": it is to reclaim male dignity without insult to women. How so?
Forms of address and sex-based words in English are generally created in symbiotic pairs, and reflect social standing, eg:
* Lords/Ladies
* Gentlemen/Gentlewomen
* Men/Women
* Guys/Gals
* Boys/Girls
Over a number of decades, however, the more respectful, high status, terms used to address men have been, or are being, eliminated in favor of the less respectful terms. At the same time, the sex-order is being reversed.
So, the term "lord" has been removed from common parlance, but "lady" remains. It is paired with the less respectful male term "gentlemen" and the sex order reversed, so that now people say "Ladies and Gentlemen".
Similarly, the word "men" is being eliminated in favor of "guys" (eg: "repair guy", "delivery guy" or just plain referring to a man as a guy). But, of course we must still refer to adult females as "women". I often here people say "women and guys" these days.
So, whether you think it is incorrect or not, whether you think it is pretentious or not, I encourage everyone to follow suit.
Best wishes,
Pradeep
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Dear Pradeep,
Usage is what governs, as doubtless you are aware. Lord though, in all its usage, has been reserved as a titular address, whereas Lady has not, often accorded any woman of considered refinement. Gentlewoman is archaic, and was used principally for Ladies-in-waiting upon higher status women.
Of course, you are perfectly free to adopt any eccentricity you desire.
Best regards.
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by Anonymous User on 02:12 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#2)
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What is needed is an Intifada against all lesbian-leaning man-hating feminists, especially State employed Social Workers, Family Court Judges, Child Support Enforcement agents, Legislators who support terrorism against men and their sons and families, and anyone within law enforcement who promotes violent treatment of men. This does NOT include (for the most part) Police Officers since they are the pawns who are forced to do the dirty work for others.
Yes, sorry to say, men have become the Palestinians in this country (USA) and feminists the Israeli Jew Hawks.
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by Anonymous User on 03:27 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#3)
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There is no relation between the men's movement and anything you say. In fact, you sound like a feminist troll trying to discredit men's activists with a bunch of hateful stupidity.
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by Anonymous User on 04:06 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#5)
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women's studies programs on college campuses, through the progressive alliance (campus communists), do indeed support the Palestinian terrorists.
It is outrageous to see our taxpayer dollars going to fund this group knowing the intolerant hate they spew against their own country, America. When is homeland secuity going to wise up and put survellance on these terrorists and track their insurectionists activities?
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Maybe the words used by anonymous are a bit rude, but he/she has a point. It is a fact that social work, family courts and child support principally are ruled by feminists, so I see no reason to attack this person.
I understood that this site is about "Men's activism" with the purpose to defend men's rights, and as far as I know, feminism is the main point you have to deal with. If I am wrong, just let me know, in that case I guess I am at the wrong place.
But then again, if men's activism is not against the injustice of feminism, tell me, activism against what?
Bert
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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by Anonymous User on 06:41 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#8)
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"I see no reason to attack this person. I understood that this site is about "Men's activism" with the purpose to defend men's rights, and as far as I know, feminism is the main point you have to deal with. If I am wrong, just let me know, in that case I guess I am at the wrong place."
Here you go, Bert. I consider this by anonymous inappropriate, and since we don't know who we're talking to I won't sign either.
"What is needed is an Intifada...
Yes, sorry to say, men have become the Palestinians in this country (USA) and feminists the Israeli Jew Hawks."
I for one resent being compared to Palestinian terrorists. Remember, those are the people who cheered after the jets crashed into the world trade center? Such comparisons are insulting and UnAmerican.
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"I for one resent being compared to Palestinian terrorists. Remember, those are the people who cheered after the jets crashed into the world trade center? Such comparisons are insulting and UnAmerican."
Thanks for your explanation "anonymous", I appreciate that.
I agree that the words chosen by the other "anonymous" are not very well-considered and he should not have mentioned "Intifada" and "Palestinian terrorists". On the other hand, don't we all sometimes use the wrong words when we are in anger? Lets see the facts, are there Palestinian terrorist in your or my government, in family courts or in child support? The answer is no. The only extremists ruling authorities and organizations are feminists, in your country as well as mine.
Don't misunderstand me, I am against any kind of terrorism and muslim terrorists should be hunted down. But muslim terrorists and feminist terrorists are two differend things. I consider feminist terrorism as a far more immediate danger because laws concerning divorce, domestic violence and others are based on what feminist terrorists dictate, almost the entire society is based on what feminists dictate. We all know how discriminating these laws are to fathers and men and how they destroy men's lifes. As far as I know there are no laws based on muslim rules.
Again, I agree with you that the terms used by the other "anonymous" were wrong. But that shouldn't lead us away from the purpose of men's activism, to end feminists terror.
Bert
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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by Anonymous User on 04:12 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#6)
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That was a really nice try. A feminist comes on here and tries to say something sounding criminally critical of feminism to get men to join in. Do those feminists get stupider everyday? Sure looks that way, now their trying to bait men's activist using a bare hook.
I guess their not having the success they would like to, brain washing (indoctrinating) young women in their prejudiced women's studies classes.
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I am the original anonymous. Obviously anonymous #2 has never had the Family Court Nazis try and take away his son. One thing the Mens Movement does not need is a bunch of politically correct dilettante pretenders like anonymous #2 and dittohd (if that is as in Rush Limbaugh - could you try on reality for a change knucklenuts). I stand by my call for an Intifada.
By the way, Bert, thanks for trying to understand. More like you and maybe we can beat back the feminist attempt to destroy society.
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by Anonymous User on 03:33 PM October 17th, 2004 EST (#4)
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NCFM is a great organization not only for men, but women as well. I am hopeful that NCFM will become much better known in the coming years for the goodwill it brings to all people dedicated to fairness and reason (two things anathema to women's studies). It would be wonderful to see the membership of NCFM double, triple, etc. If everyone just gave a little to this fine organization in whatever way possible, much good would come of it for every decent man, woman and child in America.
Sincerely, Ray
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Thanks, Ray. Very well said.
Membership in the National Coalition of Free Men (NCFM) is just $30.00 a year and includes six bi-monthly issues of "Transitions: A Journal of Men's Perpectives."
Send your check to:
National Coalition of Free Men
P.O. Box 582023
Minneapolis, MN 55458-2023
Let's all join and start to really make a difference!
Kyle Knutson
Membership director
National Coaliton of Free Men
http://www.ncfm.org
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