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Another terrific column by Glenn Sacks in which he provides facts and context to counter the predictable male-bashing hyperbole from the mainstream media. Thanks, Glenn!
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My only complaint is that his radio show is currently off the air (changing stations).
Eagerly awaiting its return...
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Are you guys sure you don't hate the media because they tell the TRUTH about men?
I don't hate the media. However they are biased and untrustable. They falsely portray women as angelic and men as demonic. They ignore the burdens that men bear in society and emphasize the rather petty burdens that women bear. They promote hatred against men and quite despicably -- BOYS. That's right, the media goes after innocent children who can't effectively defend themselves.
I don't hate the media. Perhaps I should. Without bias in the media, feminism would not have been able to victimize men and boys to the extent that they have.
As for gutless feminist trolls like you who want me enslaved and prematurely dead. Well...
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Even though the TRUTH is what they purport to convey, what they SHOULD be reporting are the FACTS. Not only that, they should be reporting a balanced collection of the FACTS, not the selective, biased, not-so-creatively-spun collection of the facts that tends to distort the TRUTH.
For example, if the media had been reporting the FACTS about domestic violence, the TRUTH that women are no less violent and bloodthirsty than men would be OBVIOUS.
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by Anonymous User on 03:09 PM September 20th, 2004 EST (#7)
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Just last night I saw an interview with Bernard Goldberg, who freaquently chastises the media on their bias.
He said that; (and I am paraphraseing a bit) "The media doesn't so much favor democrats over republicans as much as they slant far left on the social issues of the day like abortion, homosexuality and FEMINISM."
This is coming from a guy who was INSIDE the media. He KNOWS how it works. Why, my dear Troll do you think he was FIRED? He was fired for that EXACT reason. He was going to, then DID do alot to blow the media's "cover".
John Stossel is another one who has been heard speaking out against media bias.
In a recent interview (I forget where) Stossel said that hardly ANYONE on the set of the TV news show "20\20", where he works, will talk to him, because Stossel is a libertarian and the mainstream media is "liberal" including EVERYONE he works with on the set of his show. My guess is we MAY just see Stossel in the un-employment line, if he isn't careful...,
Study after study also reveils that those who work in media are nearly ALL "liberal". 80% or so, I believe.
Now does this mean that because someone is "liberal" that they simply CAN'T report the news without bias? No of course not. But TOO MANY appearantly can't.
I would say that "FOX NEWS" slants somewhat to the right. It seems that no matter which side, left or right, that you come from that bias tends to slip in.
But since the majority of media-ites ARE liberal they WILL report the exact social issues from their left leaning slant. Just as Bernard Goldberg stated. No more is this true than with homosexuality and feminism.
The media reports the things that FAVOR women and feminism. They believe that the ONLY way to be pro one group, is to automaticaly be ANTI the other group. To them it is ALL or nothing. Ergo, to be seen as pro-female and pro-FEMINISM the media MUST be ANTI-MALE.
THAT is what is happening. The media reports primairily ONLY violence against women, while it COVERS UP violence against men. The media widely reports male pedophillia, but down plays FEMALE PEDOPHILLIA.
Do you want an example? Fine here it is.
No doubt you have heard the media's consern over male pedophile preists in the Catholic church. The media has done SO MANY stories on it My head spins.
But why do they not report on the FEMALE PEDOPHILE CRISIS in public school???
I have seen, heard and read SO MANY cases about female teachers molesting male students, that it is't funny. But the media will not address this as the epidemic it is becomeing.
On domestic violence did you know, our dear Troll, that not only does the media over report female victims of D.V. it SITS ON the data about male victims of D.V. It also factors in LESBIAN acts of D.V. and sites these statistics to make it appear that there is some kind of "domestic violence war" by men, against women.
Also the media gets ALOT of it's statistical data from the N.O.W. and other militant organizations and special interest groups. Bet you didn't know THAT did you? Or either that or you DID know and just didn't CARE. you don't want the facts to get in the way of your sacred femi-troll beliefs.
Do some research on these things, yourself, if you don't believe us, here at MANN.
Then maybe you won't come here and make numb-skull posts, like the one you did.
"The media tells the TRUTH about men"
Not hardly. They do ANYTHING BUT tell the TRUTH about us.
LEARN it and start likein' it Angelina TROLL-ie.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:44 PM September 20th, 2004 EST (#11)
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But the media will not address this as the epidemic it is becomeing.
Actually, this epidemic is not new. It has been around for 1000+ years. The difference is that now we have DNA testing. So, the wife next door must think twice before sexually assaulting that teenage boy next door.
Also, there is a growing acceptance that it is in fact a sexual assault against boys when an adult female preys upon them. It used to be that the boys and the public claimed the wife-next-door was doing the boy a favor. Then we started having 12 year-old boys paying child support for the wife next door......
Well that got the mom pissed of because now the lady-next-door is taking money out of her pocket. That is what really got the public talking....
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 06:46 PM September 20th, 2004 EST (#12)
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I state, "So, the wife next door must think twice before sexually assaulting that teenage boy next door."
Obviously, I'm referencing a 12-17 year old that can get the wife next door pregnant. There is no question but that these women prey on the pre-teen boys also.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 02:57 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#21)
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Also the media gets ALOT of it's statistical data from the N.O.W. and other militant organizations and special interest groups. Bet you didn't know THAT did you?
Actually, if the data were actual "statistical data" that would be wonderful. However, the data supplied by N.O.W. (a Marxist-Feminist organization) is in reality cooked data. So, its usefulness is only as a propaganda tool.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 02:19 AM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#27)
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I've heard the word "Troll" used frequently as an insult on this site. When it is used in this context, is a Troll something other than a creature in Norse Mythology?
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As I said on another post, a troll is someone who comes to a site just to stir up trouble and get people emotionally upset. They have no interest in rational debate, they just spew wild, vague, insulting statements then either leave, continue to make like statements, or cry they are being attacked. Statements like "you men get what you deserve" and "Don't you men...blah blah blah." Obviously not meant to start a rational discussion. On a femi site we would be a troll if we stated "get in the kitchen and make me some biscuits, woman!" or "You girls are just mad because you know you want us" or something of that ilk. Trolls rarely log in or even sign their name to their posts.
Occasionally you get some people, like the person who was pro-child sex, go to the other extreme and pick an emotionally charged position and then attempt to defend it with logic. However they really are not interested in real debate as they are unable to provide information with sources and tend to take the position of pointing out everyone elses logical fallacies as a red herring to their inability to truly debate themselves. (God he was annoying. He never did have one reason for his position, and he never signed his name.)
These people "troll" the net looking for shit to stir up, as they rarely stay long at one site, they tend to move on, although we have a few who we suspect as repeat offenders.
And yes, occasionally people get called trolls who don't deserve it (I was called a troll when I first came here) but if you really want to have a rational discussion, it quickly is clear you are not a troll. I have been here for what, almost 2 years now? The troll thing stopped about the 2nd day. So obviously not everyone is irrational here. ;-)
Is that a clear explaination? It was a good question, troll should be defined on the web site so we can just point them to their definition!
The Biscuit Queen
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Just in case this was an honest question, you're looking at the wrong definition of troll. From Merriam-Websters site :
Main Entry: troll
1 : to move around : RAMBLE
2 : to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat
3 : to sing or play in a jovial manner
4 : to speak rapidly
Meaning #2 is the one you're after. Trolling on a message board is done by posting inflammatory comments as bait, solely to make people angry.
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by Anonymous User on 02:16 PM September 24th, 2004 EST (#57)
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Pheadra was one of the few Trolls who actually sighned her name to her post.
That was a suprise.
And does anyone remember XAMOT?
Geeze was that guy/gal annoying.
Jen- You were ACTUALLY called a "troll"????
WHY?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Please enlighten me on what is the "truth" about men?
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 04:02 PM September 20th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Because you ARE a troll.
You're the typical femi-troll, in fact.
You come out attacking then get all defensive when someone counters your point.
Plus you come here armed with NO proof of your statements,I.E "the media tells the TRUTH about men", when, if you've done ANY research, it is clearly UN-true.
Don't want to be called a "Troll"? then don't ACT like one, simple as that.
You COULD have simply asked "are you all SURE the media lies about men?" or something like that, instead of comeing out swinging. Then we would have simply told you "YES" and WHY we believe the media is biased towards men. You wouldn't have been called a "Troll" at all.
All that is of course presuming that you WANT to know the truth. Most feminists and trolls do NOT.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Are you guys sure you don't hate the media because they tell the TRUTH about men?
Are you guys - all of us?
sure - isn 't that a deodarant?
you don't hate - like?
the media - er all, including the internet or is that mass media?
because they tell - and specifically who are they?
the TRUTH - oh! No! Deconstruction site?
about men - sweeping genralization of the most simplistic form.
So there you have it.
No wonder you are unable to be more specific as the the original statement is so full of generalizations, misconceptions and missing referential indices that it is no wonder.
All views seem aceeptable here, even oposing ones provided!! you at least give some coherent argument for them.
Westcoast2 makes this stuff up as he types you know.
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by Anonymous User on 06:48 PM September 20th, 2004 EST (#13)
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All views seem aceeptable here, even oposing ones provided!! you at least give some coherent argument for them.
Yea. That is what Dan Rather of CBS thought.....then he finally had to admit that he had a screw loose.
Warble
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Why should you? Because you haven't said anything yet. You make a sweeping, vague statement, what are we supposed to say? What do you think IS the truth? What are we supposed to be angry about? I am not a man, so please don't make this site about defensiveness. You came here, it is your job to clearly state your objective, and your opinion. If you wanted to truly challenge our opinions, you must give us a reason to do so. A troll is someone who comes to a site to cause emotional turmoil. An active participant will create a username, log in, and then make full, fairly logical debate. Which are you so far? If you choose to be an active participant, then we will treat you like one. SO far, you really haven't.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#18)
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"Why should I? All that will happen is, I will be called a "troll" and attacked just because I have a differing oppinion. Troll Troll Troll, Why can't anyone have a different view here and not be called a troll?"
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Women's studies teaches that "women's way of knowing" is "connected knowing," instead of "separate knowing," like men use. That's why all the curriculum in the universities and colleges is wrong (according to radical/gender feminists), and needs to be re-written from the feminist perspective. Logic and critical thinking are tools that the Patriarchy has “his-storically” used to oppress women, and are therefore an integral part of the evil oppressive nature of Patriarchy that must be purged from society. Of course news media must also represent the feminist perspective and any vestiges of the "Patriarchy" must be purged there too in the onslaught of Stalinist feminism that is infesting every institution and thought in America.
In my opinion, if there are any intolerant bigots afoot in our society, they are certainly coming largely from the radical/gender feminist agenda, but freedom still exists at Mensactivism.
I notice that comments of radical/gender feminist dissenters are still left posted on Mensactivism unlike radical/gender feminist web sites.
I notice that radical/gender feminist dissenters are still allowed to post (are not banned) after expressing their viewpoints on Mensactivism, unlike radical/gender feminist web sites.
"Oh, oh they're attacking me," cries out the little femi after insultingly disagreeing with posts men have made. "Why are they attacking me," she wonders? "Why can't I post without being attacked," she asks?
Well you see, little femi, in your snide post ("Are you guys sure you don't hate the media because they tell the TRUTH about men?") you are attacking us, and we are merely expressing our own viewpoints as is done in any free and open society. I guess that's the real problem for you, little femi, since that is not allowed anywhere that I know of in your radical/gender feminist circles. That is verboten (forbidden) in those indoctrination camps.
Thank God for "logical" Men and Mensactivism. To borrow a quote from Mike LaSalle at MND, "Men, the last best hope of Western civilization."
Radical/gender feminists gather together in groups (women’s circles) and complain about men so their "experiential authority" is validated when they bash men, and squelched if anyone dares speak up to disagree. "Women's ways of knowing" assume to be right just because some femi-twit speaks up and babbles on in "femi-speak" about her experiences. Truly, women's studies and the radical/gender feminist agenda are the best examples I have ever seen of hysteria run amok in society.
Welcome little femi to Mensactivism. Freedom still exists here for those who want to speak their minds and for those who want to disagree, but God only knows for how long as the jack boot heel of radical/gender feminist oppression comes down more heavily everyday on Free Men.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:45 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#19)
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...you are attacking us, and we are merely expressing our own viewpoints as is done in any free and open society....
How free America remains continues to be in doubt. The Marxist-Feminist have rather successfully censored all dissenting male speach in most every major institution. Males are literally terrified to speak openly in most situations for fear of false arrest arising out of Marxist-Feminist false accusations.
All that remains is the Internet, and the Marxists are even trying to silence us here by creating hate lists and passing laws that will ban critical speach against the feminists by men.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 02:49 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#20)
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....little femi...
Hummm. "Little Femi."
I like giving the bitch that name. Say it. "Little Femi."
Why it connotates that status of victim, bitch, and insignificant all in one.
It has all the stuff of being politically incorrect. Luv it.
Warble
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Damn straight Ray. Damn straight.
You're a good man.
I'd marry ya if I wasn't against marriage (for men's rights reasons I am against marriage and because marriage just screws things up).
Remember guys, the Conservatives (i.e. Bush) are those pro-marriage, pro-chivalry (allowing females to exploit males), and pro-'have lots of children' idiots who believe that men will be happier if they get married, have six kids, and move out in the suburbs with a controlling soccer mom.
Tell that bullshit to the MILLIONS of men who have been sodomized and castrated by divorce courts and their ex-wives.
But I would like to find a Male-Life Partner in the future and I would take on his last name.
And the Liberals (i.e. Radical Feminists, Al Sharpton, Al Franken, Rob Reiner aka "Meat-Head", Hippies) well we all know what the Liberals believe.
I personally am a Pro-Choice Republican for Kerry (he's NOT liberal aka pussy-whipped-trust me he would tell Tereasa to fuck off at a drop of the hat but then again who wouldn't, he just hates Bush and would make a more intelligent president).
But I digress and you're EXACTLY RIGHT Ray. Any time you say anything contrary to rad-fem's philosophy, she goes off on that "oh they're oppressing me" tangent. Yes that's right sister, the "patriarchy" is oppressing. When really you're just having logical and rational debate. But Radical Feminists can-NOT fathom the idea of Logic and Rationale. Patriarchy has been dead since the late seventies. We now have Gynocentric (women-centric) Matriarchal Dictatorship.
But the feminists can't seem to understand FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!
Not just for those possessing a vagina like me. People who have penises should be protected by Democracy too. But Feminists just don't get it.
They lack common sense (and brain cells).
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 04:13 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#23)
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They lack a BRAIN, a HEART and COURAGE.
Wow. They're the entire cast of the WIZARD OF OZ!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:08 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#24)
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"I'd marry ya if I wasn't against marriage (for men's rights reasons I am against marriage and because marriage just screws things up)."
I'm honored Thea. Now I just have to find a way to break it to the meals on wheels lady. Just the other day I asked her if she'd like to have super sex and she replied, "soup." What a kidder.
Your right about marriage screwing up relationships. In today's pressure cooker society it takes more effort to negoiate a successful marriage than it does to negoiate peace with a terrorist nation. It seems to me there has never been greater enmity between the sexes than there is today. I certainly have nothing against the feminist movement for working for equal rights for women, but I do fault the gender feminist movement for all the vitriol it has added to male/female interaction.
Ray
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It's at least worth a passing nod to recognize that women who are vocally against the rad feminist creed frequently get smacked down by their morally superior, in-favor-of-diversity, oh-so-tolerant, dedicated-to-equality Sistren.
In my career in higher education, I've seen this happen over and over again.
Every college and U. has women's centers, committees on women's status, etc. etc.
Masquerading under the umbrella of "cultural diversity," these feminist organs actually function to enforce allegiance to doctrinaire feminist ideology, and more practically, to provide institutional cover for the systematic discrimination against men in hiring and promotion.
Women who fail to fall into line with these feminist clubs and anti-male sub-cultures will be targeted, ostracized, and villified.
In academia, to speak up against feminist tyranny is tantamount to commiting career suicide.
Scratch just a little under the surface of any college or university headed by a female (of course feminist) CEO and you will discover an organizational culture of psychological terrorism and veiled coercion against the heretics.
The "diversity" masquerade is nothing other than a tool to consolidate feminist dominance in the governance of our so-called higher learning institutions.
The rare female who bucks the trend deserves respect.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 09:03 AM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#29)
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"Masquerading under the umbrella of "cultural diversity," these feminist organs actually function to enforce allegiance to doctrinaire feminist ideology, and more practically, to provide institutional cover for the systematic discrimination against men in hiring and promotion."
Roy:
I said it before. I'll say it again, "We think alike." Maybe It's because we both work in higher education."
I think the most insidious place where radical/gender feminists work their evil is in higher education, but it is starting to trickle down to the lower grades as well. They want nothing less than complete and total indoctrination of all children and young people into the their corrupt/evil ideology.
Academic freedom no longer exists on campuses and any criticism of feminism is labeled as hostility against women. I wonder what the response would be if some brave hearted people took to the streets and sidewalks in front of colleges and universities that have women's studies programs with protests signs saying,
CHALLENGE
WOMEN'S STUDIES
PREJUDICES
WOMEN'S STUDIES
HATEFULLY
STEREOTYPES MEN
COLLEGES/UNIVERSITIES
ARE SEXIST & HOSTILE
AGAINST MEN
WOMEN'S STUDIES
UNSCHOLARLY RESEARCH
IRRESPONSIBLE CURRICULUM
WOMEN'S STUDIES
BLAMES 1/2 THE WORLD
FOR ALL PROBLEMS
Ray
Should we show the communist connection to radical/ gender feminist ideology? They are nothing short of full blown communists.
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Well just as the Communists labeled all Westerners as evil for having Capitalism, the Feminists label all Men for being evil for having Penises and Testicles.
Well they obviously failed indoctrinating this little lady here because I like the phallus (NOT vibrators, but the *REAL* human phallus). It's an *EQUAL* contributor to human reproduction (and as a hetero-woman that goes without saying the other reason why).
Though the Feminists with their sperm bank lobbying and matriarchal bullshit-philosophies try to say otherwise.
Communism was about perverse indoctrination.
Feminism *IS* about perverse indoctrination.
Labeling them as Communists is valid. Uncle Stalin (and Hitler) LOVED children. Just as feminists "love" children too. Especially young and impressionable children who are vulnerable and helpless against hate-oriented philosophy.
Like the Communists, they all want big centralized government to persecute men, spew hateful propaganda, and use (and waste) billions of tax-dollars for Women Studies Courses (aka Misandry and Gender Nazism 101) and Women's Health when women have a very comfortable longevity.
Sounds like the Reds to me and hell I was born in 1985 when the Soviet Empire was beginning to crumble.
So what do I know?
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 04:53 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#44)
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Well they obviously failed indoctrinating this little lady here because I like the phallus ....
First doctrine of Marxist-Feminism:
1) If thou art female then thou shalt be a lesbian and hate men's penis.
First doctrine of Dr. Tom Leykis:
1) Though shalt luv men and their penis.
Warb
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Um, who is Dr. Leykis? Seriously I have no clue who is that guy. I'm NOT getting defensive or anything but seriously who is Dr.Leykis? I've heard of Sigmund Freud (aka the Austrian coked-up, sick-weirdo with a Doctorate), but not Leykis.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 05:47 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#48)
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Thea:
Tom Leykis is a L.A. Disc Jockey, or radio talk show host or something. I've never listened to him as he sometimes is profane in his discourse, and speaks of women in vulgar terms.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 06:00 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#50)
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I'd say that is a fair description. He is also quite rude towards women. Sometimes, I can stand to listen, but then he goes off the deep end and all out attacks good women.
Trust me. You are not missing anything.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 12:09 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#32)
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...any criticism of feminism is labeled as hostility against women.
Exactly. This is not only true in the schooling systems but in most every company. If a male criticizes feminist ideology and a woman feels that it is uncomfortable then it is considered a hostile environment. The result is out-of-control lawsuits where males refuse to interact with women in the work place.
That is why men are leaving the medical profession; they don't want to get their lives destroyed by some Marxist-Feminist that makes false allegations.
Feminist will not be happy until they destroy every male.
Even now. At my work there is a new policy being implemented to make it illegal for me to post here. So, I will have to stop in the near future.
Warble
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To the Radical Feminist-Nazi-Bitch-Troll, there are MILLIONS of feminist message boards all over the damn internet. GO AND SPOUT YOUR MISANDRIST-NAZI BULLSHIT! NOT every woman in the world believes your bullshit. Smart young women like me are waking up to your feminist lies. Are Feminist-Mothers failed to brainwash us with hate. My mother failed to brainwash me with hate. I saw right through her lies.
I am for REAL Gender-Equality, REAL Equal Opportunity for BOTH Genders, and extending Abortion Rights and Paternity Rights to Men (according to Roe v. Wade, BOTH Genders are protected against unwanted pregnancy, oh but look the feminists made it so that only women are protected by Roe v. Wade).
FUCK YOU FEMINAZI TROLL!!! YOU FAIL TO BRAINWASH THIS YOUNG WOMAN!! FEMINISM WILL FALL BY THE TIME I AM THIRTY!! (I am nineteen years old) NOBLE MEN AND SMART WOMEN WILL RISE UP AND TEAR DOWN MATRIARCHY!! THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE GRANT THE PEOPLE TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS FAILED THEM (i.e. The Feminist-Misandric-Matriarchy)I SWEAR IT!!!
Nazi Germany fell in 1945.
Feminazi Western Civilization will fall in 2015.
(P.S. I am SO SORRY to those who took offense to the Abortion mentioning. If you are against abortion I am SORRY if I offended and angered you. You know that I have your best interest at heart. My apologies.)
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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What media? The media that, according to the media, is controled by the patriarchy, dominated by men and is chauvanistic, misogynist, anti-woman and anti-feminist? That media?
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 AM September 21st, 2004 EST (#17)
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The media DOES tell the truth about men. This troll's VERSION of the truth, that is.
Look, Nat King TROLL, There are no VERSIONS of the truth, Only ONE truth, GET IT? and what YOU beleive isn't it. Sorry. You beleive what you've been TOLD is true. Not what you have LEARNED to be true. Big difference, my friend...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:12 PM September 21st, 2004 EST (#25)
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ITS A SACK ATTACK!!!!
Might as well give it up. Those evil masculists are going to win again.
Warble
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I'm a feminist from birth, and as such am strongly opposed to the mistreatment of people of either gender and any age. Circumcision is, without question, mutilation, and should be forbidden by law throughout the world. To those who insist it is an imporant ritual of their religion, I say: mutilation should not be a part of any religion--in fact, of any *anything.* At the extreme, even prisoners of war (though this may come as news to Donald Rumsfeld) are protected by law from mutilation--so why on earth should any parent have the right to abuse an infant or child in this way? I have an eleven month old nephew who escaped circumcision--his parents considered it, but I fought for his health and well-being before he was born, and, thankfully, compassion and common sense prevailed. Having said this, I must say I was dismayed to find so much misogynistic writing on this website. Cruelty and intolerance only produce more of the same--if you want a better world for men and boys, you must also work to create a better world for women and girls, and this includes not bashing us at any opportunity.
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You will find some people here that have had it with watching what they say. Women have been protected and coddled for centuries, and many people here are done. You will find far less misogyny here that you will find misandry on the feminist web sites. Much of the talk here is just that-talk.
Men (and women) here are free to say whatever they wish. They are never censored or edited unlike the feminist websites, and anyone can post here unlike the feminist web sites. So while you may not like some of the things you hear, that is not our problem. You are free to either leave or to post a specific response to a specific post. However, your suggestion of a general censorship is unreasonable, and will not be granted. General censorship on behalf of the greater good is called political correctness, and is in part what has landed us in the mess we are in right now. Perhaps you should censor what you read instead of asking us to censor what we write.
Beyond that, kudos to you for standing up against circumcision.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 03:58 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#40)
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General censorship on behalf of the greater good is called political correctness, and is in part what has landed us in the mess we are in right now.
Exactly.
Political correctness = mind control
This fem-bot needs to take her mind control tactics elsewhere and stop whining.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Warble
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I must say I was dismayed to find so much misogynistic writing on this website. Cruelty and intolerance only produce more of the same--if you want a better world for men and boys, you must also work to create a better world for women and girls, and this includes not bashing us at any opportunity.
Just out of interest what would happen if this was posted to a feminist website and rewritten as:-
I must say I was dismayed to find so much misandrist writing on this website. Cruelty and intolerance only produce more of the same--if you want a better world for women and girls, you must also work to create a better world for men and boys, and this includes not bashing us at any opportunity.
Maybe you would like to try it out and let us know the result?
Oh and ...
I agree about being in this together. A difficulty seems to be the generalizations made from agenda specific data designed to portray men in a bad light which was part of the original topic.
Also, perhaps you may confuse mysogyny with venting or disagreement. Have you ever said or agreed with something like "Men ... pain ... in ... the....etc"? (Maybe not - or maybe next time you find yourself about to say something or agree with something like it, you might think - Hmm misandry/mysogyny, now I get it)
True misogyny is, I think (could be wrong), actually rather rare. Its use today seems more about stopping people expressing a point of view.
Westcoast2 - blimey, more of his own stuff flowing from the keyboard, though maybe the spelling could be better.
(added bit - apologies warble I do not know who Dan Rather is, is he famous?)
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Bashing?
Mary you don't know the meaning of the word bashing. No woman in the Western world does. We (women) are pampered and protected by the Law. If you bash men at your workplace NOTHING will happen to you. But if my male friend goes to his job today and bashes women he will lose his job that very second.
We have freedom of speech, not men.
But a gender-feminist-bigot-bitch like you who is obsessed with a pseudo-victimology of women (which is all false and fabricated by you and your feminists sister-bitches)wouldn't dare think that because it requires common sense and logic.
This little college lady here didn't buy your feminazi philosophy. I love and adore Men, more than I do most women/girls. I am working my ass off here at good ole Ball State University to become an attorney for oppressed men. That's right, a woman attorney for men. And all of those oppressed by your Matriarchal-Gynocentric Nazism.
Fuck off Mary. There are BILLIONS of feminist websites you can spout your feminist bullshit on. GO TO THEM AND LET MEN HERE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
By the way dipshit, the world is RUN by feminists. The UN is submissive slave of the Feminazi Dominatrix Machine.
Get a clue and get off of this site.
Go hang out at Ms. Magazine's Feminist Message Boards and spew bigotry there.
Once again, fuck off.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Mary, please do not be put off, some of us have shorter fuses than others. You have made a common mistake, but at least are making an effort and have signed your post. You are welcome here as long as you are willing be open minded, whether you agree with us or not.
The Biscuit Queen
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You do realize that a lawyer must have extreme control of his or her emotions, don't you? You may need to reconsider your profession if this is how you deal with reasonable conflict. Like perhaps WWF?
The Biscuit Queen
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I'm well aware of that. This isn't a courtroom though. And this 'Mary' is a feminist troll who is playing the cliche of women's so called victimology. I am only nineteen after all. I won't able start my Pre-Law internship until I'm a sophomore. I have plenty of time to vent my frustration on message boards. And everyboady needs to rant every now and then. That's what message boards are for (and for logical and rational debates).
This was a ranting post against the Mary troll by moi.
Thanks for the "suggestion" though. But I want to be in a profession that has some respect.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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I don't think Mary is a troll. She signed her post, she made a point to state what she did agree with, and she had an opinion which differed from us. Her post was likely not meant to inflame, it was most likely meant as a helpful suggestion. I made the same suggestion 2 years ago when I first came here. She likely is under the same dillusion I was, mistaking frustration with honest hatred. I have yet to see a rational post from you yet, which is why I said what I did. Vent away, but I am going to step in and smooth out behind you when I see you leaping to conclusions which may cost us another supporter. I see Mary as reasonable enough to understand, and if what she said was true, she is willing to put her money where her mouth is in real life.
I would really like to see what you can do when you put more thought and logic in your posts instead venom and profanities. I think you will be strong.
The suggestion was purely tongue in cheek to try and inject a little humor. I feel like crap though, so perhaps my attempt fell flat.
The Biscuit Queen
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Her post was likely not meant to inflame, it was most likely meant as a helpful suggestion. I made the same suggestion 2 years ago when I first came here. She likely is under the same dillusion I was, mistaking frustration with honest hatred.
TBQ,
If memory serves, you also got flamed up one side and down the other by Warble, Ray and a few others. You were quite put off, but it cured you of the illusion that we're simply having interesting, fun, hypothetical debates here.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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Yes i did get flamed, and i had to tough it out. Thea came in with guns blazing so never had to face that trial.
The first lesson I learned was that anyone has a right to say anything here.
The second was that posts that are well thought out are much more effective at talking to people on the fence than raging rants full of expletives. If Ray, Gonzo and Warble had been the only ones here, I would not have stayed (no offense meant) It was you, Steve, Thundercloud, Will and others who were kind enough to simply speak with me on human terms who helped me start seeing the issues and understanding where the anger was coming from. Now I count Ray and Warble as valuable team members and friends, but it took time. They also would have lost a valuable asset. I almost judged the whole movement based on rants. I now am able to contribute both here and in real life'.
Mary came here obviously agreeing in some form, trying to meet us halfway. She did not troll. I do not think that trial by fire is necessary to making good members. Using a sledgehammer on a tack ends up with a broken wall. Overkill is not always good. Thea can have her say, but I will walk behind cleaning up her messes if it means one more person comes on board because of it. That post was far worse than what I had to go through, and as she has been here all of two weeks I will be damned if I let her speak for me.
Anyways, I still feel like crap, so I am going to bed.
The Biscuit Queen
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I leave messes? I speak for you? I speak for no one but myself. I've always known that you were the more modest, compassionate, and kinder poster. A "friendlier" kind if you will.
And I am as you said the 'guns blazing' poster. That's my style. That's how I get my point across. However I am capable of being the stoic, proper, well-behaved orator. I wouldn't have earned A's in my high school Speech classes if I didn't. But I have enough rules here on campus as to what I can say and how I say it. I don't need it on the web, as the internet does not belong to anyone.
You have your style of posting and it didn't bother me. We can't have venomous posts like mine all the time, hell even I believe that. I know that everyone has their 'talking-points' style and I accept it.
But nevermind I won't go on with that. Look, we should not be drawing up factions and alligences within this website. This isn't some crappy reality show played out by a bunch of social rejects.
If I wanted to add another time I had to walk on egg-shells as to the manner I expressed my opinion (or not say them)I'll take a Women's Studies Course.
PS: When did I explicitly say that everyone on this site had to talk like me? I don't want to read my style of posting everywhere. I like variety. I like different styles. The people on this message board may post in the writing style that they wish. Like I said, I like variety. And I speak for NO one but myself. Sorry if you got the WRONG impression. That's a personal problem, not mine. But let's get over this factions and alligence bullshit shall we?
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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You are right.
My problem.
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by Anonymous User on 12:09 AM September 25th, 2004 EST (#58)
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Thea, Jen,
You both have your own styles.
I'm glad BOTH of you are here.
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Intermission....
Perhaps, to experience emotional self control, it is necessary to experience loss of self control?
Are extremes at the same end of the circle?
Is the key to know where you are and what you want to achieve and then choose the appropriate method to acomplish it?
Maybe, having experienced the extremes, you then have more choice of responses?
PC and certain agenda driven policies (note ref to topic here) are designed to restrict the acceptable responses, as were some of the notes earlier.
What I am saying here is I agree with both the biscuit queen and thea.
Now what was the topic again?
Westcoast2 - trying to express ideas via the keyboard.
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by Anonymous User on 04:59 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#45)
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Now what was the topic again?
What does it mean to be a man and the core cause of all evil in the world.
Answer: to be male is to be non-female and thus a male is the epitomy of that which is non-pure, non-spiritual, or amoral.
Warb.
P.S. That is sarcasm for the humor impared, which is non-hate speach. Oh. But I forgot. I'm male. I cannot have a pure moral character. Therefore, I cannot be humorous is thus manner. It must thus be hate speach.
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Answer: to be male is to be non-female and thus a male is the epitomy of that which is non-pure, non-spiritual, or amoral.
Good job you used the term amoral instead of immoral as you could have been in trouble there.
west
PPS Attempting humour and the art of the sarcy repost without a safety net, be well
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by Anonymous User on 06:01 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#51)
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Good job you used the term amoral instead of immoral as you could have been in trouble there.
I must say I do enjoy your posts.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 04:04 PM September 22nd, 2004 EST (#41)
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.... fought for his health and well-being before he was born, and, thankfully, compassion and common sense prevailed.
This strategy is a common Marxist-Feminist strategy. First, win the sympathy of the opposing group (like masculists) by supporting a men's issue. Next, gain credibility in the public's eyes by pretending to be the opposing group. Finally, rewrite the agenda as a feminist one.
Warble
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Having said this, I must say I was dismayed to find so much misogynistic writing on this website.
Get used to it. You'll be seeing more and more of it all around you. "But why????", you ask with dismay. You already know the reason:
Cruelty and intolerance only produce more of the same...
In other words, hate bounces.
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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Mary it sounds like you have some common sense values, and I'm glad to hear it. I feel such values are rare indeed in feminist circles however, you must be quite lonely when you're surrounded by people filled with hate on a daily basis.
Do as others have suggested, peruse the large feminist websites, read what they have to say (and since they're heavily censored we don't even have the opportunity for rebuttal that you've taken advantage of on our site).
There are men on this site that have been burned badly by a system that is stacked against them, and they're mad as hell. Men who can't see their children, men who've been put in jail by false allegations, men who've seen women they trusted screw them royally with the help of our government... all the while clinging to their feminist victimhood.
If you stick around you'll read a lot of things you don't want to hear, but I can GUARANTEE you that the things that will really bother you won't be the vulgar venting... it'll be the data that blows holes in everything that feminism holds most dear. Of course you could close your eyes and tow the party line, but I suggest you stick around, and when you see something you don't want to believe... DON'T BELIEVE IT... go out and do the research yourself, if you're sincere you'll find the truth just as I did.
All I can say about the more wild side of the board is this... it's the price of freedom. It doesn't take long to realize which members have something to contribute and which do not, and once that's known you'll be able to do what I do, choose not to read what isn't worth your time.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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