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by Anonymous User on 01:34 PM September 8th, 2004 EST (#1)
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It comes as no suprise that this woman gets off with probation and a "stern talkin' to" while a man would have been nailed to the wall.
It just illustrates what we all already know.
We have a anti-male, bias, female-favoring "justice" system.
This is just one example that we got to hear about. This is an every day occurance, in America and other countries.
So what else is new?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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It comes as no suprise that this woman gets off with probation and a "stern talkin' to"
Sure, though I got the impression the judge was extremely miffed about this deal.
So what else is new?
Maybe there are some judges who may be starting to recognise a problem that will ultimately affect them.
Just a thought
Be well
Westcoast
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If you were a man standing in front of me we would not be talking about misdemeanor probation; we'd be talking about how many years you're going to prison.
Does anyone else find it surprising that the judge would be so willing to make a statement on the record admitting to his double standards?
Does his statement leave the judge vulnerable or is he just confident that the system is so corrupt there won’t be any repercussions?
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He also said:
"This is unacceptable conduct," the judge added. "Consider this a gift because that's what it is, and if you screw it up I'll put you behind bars for as long as I can."
I don't think he was happy with the deal. (I'm not sure how "deals" in legal system work. I know that the defense and prosecution agree on something, but I don't know what involvement a judge has with it. )
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The judge was obviously not happy with the situation. We need more judges like him to take a stand on this issue.
Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
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We need more judges like him to take a stand on this issue.
But he didn’t take a stand on this issue, that’s the point. I respect your admiration of this judge for acknowledging his failures (if that’s the way it’s meant), but this judge is no hero. He may not be the only culprit here, but a judge is responsible for what goes on in his court. Something’s rotten in Denmark and he obviously knows it!!
The judge wasn’t happy with this woman’s behavior and wasn’t making excuses for it. But that doesn’t explain why the court that this judge presides over treated her differently than a man would have been treated in the same circumstances.
There’s no way to tell from the article how the plea bargain came about. The judge may very well have been forced into accepting a plea bargain he didn’t like. But his statement:
If you were a man standing in front of me we would not be talking about misdemeanor probation; we'd be talking about how many years you're going to prison.
makes it pretty clear that the judge knows that there’s bias in the system and accepts it (maybe reluctantly). He reminds me of parents that scold their daughters and beat their sons and believe they’re not biased because, after all, they gave the daughters a good scolding.
Bottom line is that this judge presided over a case that, by his own admission, resulted in a biased outcome. His willingness to admit it may be commendable but it doesn’t change the facts.
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The judge in this case might indeed be outraged with the deal made with prosecutors. That, however, obviously doesn't apply to other judges.
As long as those other judges are not subject to lawsuits for their corrupt rulings, men will continue to be crapped on. It's time that judges are held accountable. Make them subject to lawsuits.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 07:22 PM September 8th, 2004 EST (#5)
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the prison issue really gets to me because I'am always seeing women talked about concerning there discrimination in being sent to prison...even the, "we should try to understand the emotional trauma of the rising number of women being sent to prison"...that is not a joke, I've seen this said before. and the article to the vigil for female prisoners was being serious..
Funny how it's 90 something percent men in prison, yet they feel confident enough to make a vigil for these poor poor women being sent to prison..
imagine a vigil for the "rising number of whites being sent to prison, and their emotional trauma".....
I will never forget reading that..
p. george
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No doubt it was one of those nighttime candlelight vigils with people holding hands and weeping silently over the plight of women in prison. (That's the sort of vigils the evening news loves to show.) Who sponsored that vigil? I'd love to write to them and ask them what they've done for imprisoned men lately.
Doubt I'd receive a response.....
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 08:18 PM September 8th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"...grand jury indicted her on five counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, a felony punishable by up to seven years in prison.
That fact did not go unnoticed by Judge Ward S. Arnold, who said a deal like Stalesky's probably would not be offered to a male defendant.
"I think you're getting the deal of the week," Arnold said. "If you were a man standing in front of me we would not be talking about misdemeanor probation; we'd be talking about how many years you're going to prison."
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Gee, I could go on for a long time about this judges statements and behavior, but I'll try to sum it up succinctly, "Get him off the bench, then throw him in jail for the seven years he should have given the female rapist." He egregiously violated that young man's constitutional rights in what appears to me to be a criminal manner.
Ray
(click) Here Comes the Dummy Judge
(click) Man Hating Judges
(click) Black Robes Disguise Feminist Prejudices
Please do not scroll up the page of linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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It's not really the judge's fault. His hands are tied by the plea bargain. The real culprit is the punkass DA who claimed the plea was "in the best interest of the boy and the community."
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by Anonymous User on 06:51 AM September 9th, 2004 EST (#12)
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It appeared to me that the decision to allow "the deal of the month" was the judges. Is the judge not there to see that the requirements of the law are met?
In reality, I'm sure many judges acquiesce to deals worked out between prosecutors and defense, but isn't that just one more point showing the corruptness of judges (this judge) in enforcing equal justice under the law?
Ray
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Here is the thing. Perhaps the judge thought that a lighter sentance would have less chance of an appeal which may get her off completely. When he spoke, however, he spoke on the record. People hear this and the idea, that women get lighter sentances for the same crime, has been aired and is on people's minds. If she had gotten a heavier sentance then we would not have heard much about it and no one would be talking about it. The judge did us a great favor by putting fact with enough scandal to make it newsworthy.
The Biscuit Queen
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I agree. The judge was obviously not happy about the sentence. His hands are being tied by something. While I don't know what the rules are around pleas, I know judges are at least *strongly* encouraged to accept them.
Rather than being angry at the judge for a bias that exists in the system as a whole, we should be happy that there is a judge out there that sees it is wrong and is willing to say so. That is how systems change. It is not going to be overnight. It is going to start with a slow understanding that the unfairness has to stop. I would not remove a judge who realizes it, and is willing to say so. Instead, look at the judges that don't even realize it is unfair.
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by Anonymous User on 12:49 PM September 9th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Kavius,
You defineately have a point, there.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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What really freaks me out is the mother's reaction:
The boy's mother said she is satisfied with the plea bargain also because it requires Stalesky to register as a sex offender.
Does anybody think she would be satisfied with the plea bargain if an adult male diddled her daughter? What the hell is wrong with these women?
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She is "satisfied". Not necessarily happy.
It sounds like she might have been concerned that the woman was going to get off completely and this was the bare minimum acceptable by her.
I think the sex offender registery part is a very important part. Yes, there should have been some prison time added, but like someone in the article said: at least there is some documentation if it ever happens again.
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I think the writer of this piece has completely misunderstood the judge's remarks. He wasn't saying that the crime was less serious because a woman committed it - he was saying that the courts give women an easier ride than men, and they shouldn't. He's damn right.
Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
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by Anonymous User on 02:53 PM September 9th, 2004 EST (#23)
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"There's no way to know whether Stalesky's punishment truly fits the crime, because McHenry County court officials apparently don't allow access to the case files for sex crimes. So only she, the judge, the lawyers, the victim, and his family know the scope of her "unacceptable conduct."
Yes the female writer is just up in arms that the perpetraitor got off, if it was a man I doubt she would be singing the same tune. Just like those evil women on court tv. I've never seen so much biased on one channel, and Larry King had all four or five of them on. His show was "women of court tv, tough, opinionated...barf.." What I'd like to know, are they special cause they are good or just women, a few strike me as vile and dripping with hatred, and the one is the daughter of Gloria Allred, no bias here folks. One of them saidsome thing about her friend, a man who started court TV. And it just strikes me, everything men advance, women jump on the band wagon like every friggin time. Then I have to watch those damn girls and math commercials inbetween. Lets see, boys are masters of english these days, huh. They don't need help, just send them out in the yard to pick up the dog SH*T.
I have to stop watching TV, even the cable news is not safe, sorry for the rant.
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by Anonymous User on 02:41 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#25)
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Don't be sorry.
You don't HAVE to be sorry when you're RIGHT.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I just sent this journalist, Melanie Balog, a complimentary email along with some food for thought, a spreadsheet from the DOJ that summarizes sentencing and prison time served for men versus women in state prisons as of 2001. It should be no surprise to most of you that the prison time served by men was greater than that for women in every single category of crime.
The data is at:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dtdata.htm#time
Keep in mind though that this data is for those who actually go to prison. When you consider that women often get probation rather than prison, as this woman did, the disparity becomes even greater.
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If the genders had been reversed and this bastard in a black sheet had given a man the sentence he gave this female sexual predator he would be before a judicial review board the next day because angry women would be up in arms over it.
So where are the angry men? Are they out picketing this judge's courthouse? Are they on the news telling the local community about the misandry this degenerate judge has blatantly displayed thus endangering other children to female pedophiles? The number of whom are seriously under counted anyway!
No, they are setting in front of their tv sets flicking the remote looking for the best ballgame to watch on the sports channel while stuffing chips and guzzling beer down their fat necks! Stupid jerks! I hate to say it but it is true. In the battle of the sexes only one side can be counted on to show up on the battlefield and that is the women's side.
Shooow...I feel better now!
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You're right. Men need to get organised.
Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
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by Anonymous User on 01:02 PM September 9th, 2004 EST (#22)
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Unfortunately, it will take much more injustices against men, before that happens, I think.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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