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by Anonymous User on 02:01 PM August 30th, 2004 EST (#1)
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they still don't get it, in my opinion.
How many of you guys want to see a bunch of shows that feature weepy, efiminate, in touch with their "feminine side", wussy-poopy mouse-boys? I DON'T.
Women are still going to be depicted as rough, tough, "in charge" dominant, agressive, masculine she hulks, who beat up men at every turn.
Men in turn are going to be depicted as soft and gentle and more like ACTUAL WOMEN than actual MEN!
Who the hell thought that depicting men as these spineless, groveling uncle Toms would bring in MORE male viewers????!!!!???
Are the network execs truly THAT ignorant? ARE THEY!!????!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I have to agree. I read that article and didn't see anything vaguely appealing to watch. I think the network execs are stuck on the idea of image over substance. There is a huge difference in telling us that they have something appealing vs. actually having something appealing.
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We have sports, but not much else. Everything is heavily soaked in female empowerment/male emasculation ideology.
Apparently there will be more fun violent assaults on the male genetialia. America's Funniest Home Videos is offering a big cash reward for the best groin kick this season. As described here, AFV has surpassed the 10,000 groin kick threshold. I have a great idea, lets film Daisy Fuentes and John Fugelsand getting smacked in their groins over and over.
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I think the link you provided was one of satire, not fact.
But I agree with your sentiment. Enough is enough.
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 06:10 PM August 30th, 2004 EST (#4)
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I still think these programs will be an improvement over the men-as-jackass shows on Spike TV. Another good development is father-friendly series for a change. I look forward to "Kevin Hill," for instance.
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When constantly portrayed as either dimwitted - in need of a directive woman, and/or the sole perpertrators of Domestic Violence, wouldn't you switch off the TV.
I wonder if they have done a review of their falling newspaper sales - for the same reason. Balanced reporting is . . . sadly a Myth !
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I have a show idea..."DIVORCED DADZ"
Format it like "Law & Order." Each show is based on actual events.
For instance, show the drama that led to the formation of F4J and how grown men got dressed up in superhero outfits and stormed government. Another could be about a guy who gets so despondent about having his kids taken away...the tension builds through-out the show to the point where he goes 'Taxi Driver' on everybodies ass. Or one could be about a dad who got so sick of his ex-wife's gloating about how great the 'new guy' in her life is, that he beats the living shit out of the guy. I mean the Steven Segal DOGSHIT out of the guy. You can imagine how the ending will go. You can also imagine the firestorm of debate that would ensue when the public is faced with true-life dramas that real guys go through everyday, not those bullshit Orange County types.
And don't worry...these stories might sound a bit hokey, but have no fear...if given the opportunity, Dads could submit enough great stories to fill 20 seasons.
...just a thought.
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by Anonymous User on 01:29 PM August 31st, 2004 EST (#16)
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Or there could be an episode where a husband comes home and finds his wife in bed with another guy, so the husband gags her and ties her to the bed.
I've seen that senerio with the sexes reversed (female on male) TOO many times.
Of course if it is done that way, with the MAN tying the WOMAN to the bed, hold your ears 'cause the fembots will screech "sexism" so loud as to shatter glass!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"On the drama side, for example, we'll get a fatherless batboy who finds a surrogate brother and father in his baseball team (CBS's sweet "Clubhouse"), a president-to-be and his brother who are learning to be honorable men (the WB's ambitious "Jack & Bobby"), and an avowed bachelor who has to grow up when he inherits an infant (UPN's affable "Kevin Hill")."
OK, did anyone notice that all three of these shows are male bashing? A fatherless boy (where is dad?) two men who must change to become honerable (can we see the woman who is cast to bring this about?) and a bachelor who must grow up (since when does maturity equal having children ?)
I cannot believe they think we are so stupid!
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 01:33 PM August 31st, 2004 EST (#17)
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Jen, YES! They REALLY do think we are THAT stupid.
That's much of the problem.
On the other hand I can't wait to hear what they have to say when their male viewership plummets even MORE during this new TV season.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I would suggest that they don't get it because THEY are that stupid. They wouldn't want to do any show that truly confronts women because that would be "sexist". They think they are above that and they don't want the feminist complaints, from within and without. So no male "Ricki Lake" confronting cheating women. Women don't like it and men don't want it. Men would like to see shows about how to get on better with women, but since it can only be men's fault it won't be appealing to men. In order to appeal to men but not be "sexist", it must appeal to women, so there must some problems for the men. They can't be perfect or overly confident unless they are seen as over confident. In short the shows will end up being what women think men are.
(Incidentally if you go to Amazon.co.uk and look up "Doing It" you will find a comment from a reader in a "all-female (reading) group of thirtysomethings" that says "It was one of the most controversial and highly debated of our book choices, ranging from 'awful' to 'fab'! The male teenage angst and ponderings on sex, life and girls was felt by some to be too one-dimensional, but by others that it was quite an accurate portrayal of reality". In other words if you portray men as stupid lustful oafs or as sensitive (aka slightly less stupid) lustful but puzzled by women oafs then some women consider it reality TV and some TV execs are really women even if they aren't really women).
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I've said it sarcasitically before, I'll say it sarcastically again...
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL OMG ROLE REVERSAL IS AUTOMATICALLY FUNNY LOL WTF OMG!!!!!!111!1"
-DeepThought
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Erase the EARTH
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These TV execs will probably come up with a more or less "male friendly" lineup but true to form they will overlook the misandric commercials!
Groin kicks galore! The American sheeple just can't get enough of them!
But seriously, I have a better idea. Just turn off that 24" wide electronic anus in your living room and get your news and entertainment elsewhere. I haven't watched TV on a regular basis for a couple of years now and I haven't really missed it. I only use my TV to watch DVD's I get from Netflix and my library of VHS tapes. I even cancelled my cable in 2002. Haven't missed it!
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Agreed. I have not had cable for years. I hardly ever watch TV and do not miss it at all. Amazing how much of life is wasted when one has a TV on.
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by Anonymous User on 01:36 PM August 31st, 2004 EST (#18)
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I'm basicaly the same as Luek.
I rarely watch TV anymore. The only things I watch are Japanese monster movies on DVD or video. (Go go Godzilla!!)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I haven't been able to watch a TV show since I was four (maybe He-Man wasn't so bad) without seeing some feminist propaganda. I watch a TV show until it acts cute then I turn it off and go read a book, watch a normal movie (rarely do I find one made lately), study, work on my PC gaming, go outside and be social, etc. Believe me, it's not long in a show when this happens. There are a lot more important things to do besides watch the feminist filled media. I feel that all the time I was angry enough to turn off the TV I am now smarter because I read more books, studied harder (I get all A's and B's in college, not bad for a "male"), and have more friends because I'm actually social instead of watching TV all day.
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I KNOW some of the show ideas are bad ("Absolute Savages" is a blown out stereotype and we should all write to ABC about it; the fatherless boy show is also bad). But beneath all the misguided attempt to portray men, at least there is some attempt to appeal to men. I think they're FAR from doing a good job, but that means we men need to step up to the plate and tell them what we want while they're still trying...
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I went to ABC.com, and here is a line from the show information:
" Complete Savages is the rare family sitcom that doesn't have a wife to point out every week what dopes men are. These guys can do it on their own."
The email contact for ABC is netaudr@abc.com. We need to get as many guys to complain as possible!
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by Anonymous User on 01:39 PM August 31st, 2004 EST (#19)
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And they REALLY CAN'T figure out why they are loseing male viewers.
These folks are REALLY DUMB!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I went to ABC.com, and here is a line from the show information:
" Complete Savages is the rare family sitcom that doesn't have a wife to point out every week what dopes men are. These guys can do it on their own."
The email contact for ABC is netaudr@abc.com. We need to get as many guys to complain as possible!
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by Anonymous User on 08:46 AM August 31st, 2004 EST (#13)
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what are the people at these networks thinking? they always disgrace the male gender and hold a high feminist standard for the female gender.
I shut primtime TV off years ago, and I fit into the male-demographic that they are supposed to be trying to get back. yeah right....
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About the only things I enjoy watching on TV anymore are the sporting events (though most likely no hockey this year..sigh), sometimes an episode of Globe Trekker, the rare episode of SG-1 if I'm up late and Frontline. Just about everything else irritates me so quickly that I turn it off.
CSI had potential, but it went down the crapper as well quickly.
What they are pitching now I simply don't care for. I hope other men just simply turn it off and tune it out ...and do it loudly. Perhaps we need to write to the sponsors instead? :-)
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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