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Male Heroism
posted by Hombre on 10:51 AM August 28th, 2004
News Benjamin Adam Studtmann writes "Short and sweet: Can you easily imagine an everyday woman doing this? Had a woman done so, how would the article be different?"

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How would the article be different? (Score:2)
by HombreVIII on 10:55 AM August 28th, 2004 EST (#1)
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Well, for starters it would be in newspapers across the country, the woman would be discussed in far greater details, her heroism would extend to her being a mother and similar things, she'd probably get a movie deal out of it, and it would be considered "more important" because a woman did it just like most women seem to think everything a woman accomplishes is more important because it was done by a woman.
Re:How would the article be different? (Score:1)
by DeepThought (deep.42.thought@gmailEARTH.com) on 06:25 PM August 28th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Which is, of course, hypocritical since "men and women are no different" in any way whatsoever. But, of course, that's exactly what happened. Note that the article almost slides off the headline when it awkwardly fills in "A passenger in the other vehicle later died" in the first paragraph. This reads to me (IMHO) like it's almost (unconciously?) holding the man responsible for not saving MORE lives.
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Re:How would the article be different? (Score:1)
by DeepThought (deep.42.thought@gmailEARTH.com) on 06:25 PM August 28th, 2004 EST (#7)
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"exactly what WOULD happeN." If the scenario you stated were to come true.
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The Counter to the Violent Man Argument (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:07 AM August 28th, 2004 EST (#2)
Feminists are quick to point out that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men but naturally are silent to the fact that over 90% of acts of heroism like this are also committed by men. Shocking.

Amperro
I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:1)
by galb on 11:36 AM August 28th, 2004 EST (#3)
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I was beat up and bloodied pretty good. No permanent damage though. Although right after it happened I felt like I was dying. A woman bystandard observer was comforting me, and held my hand. It did provide me with a lot of comfort, when I was in a lot of trauma. I still remember her fondly.

Its really optimistic that people are still willing to selflessly risk their own safety to help one another.
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:23 PM August 28th, 2004 EST (#4)
No doubt a woman will comfort a victim after a catastrophe. But very rare is the woman who will put her life on the line to help another. Sometimes her own child...sometiimes.
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:2)
by jenk on 02:11 PM August 29th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Sorry, this is wrong. I would put my life on the line for another person, or a dog;-) Have actually put myself in danger to save a turtle, and several dogs (no not burning cars, but I have stood in the middle of highways and made people slow down,and at one point had to trust people wouldn't run me over as I pulled an injured dog off a divided highway,-a chow- which is very risky in itself!. I have never been in the position for anything more heroic.) I think that women are not physically able to do things like kick in a windshield, and often do not know what to do, knowing their physical liabilities. I agree this article would be written completely different if the hero was a woman, and it would have been bull$hit. However, lets not assume all women wouldn't have tried to help if they thought they could. This is bordering on just slamming women, which is no better than the feminazis.

Comforting a person after a traumatic accident can save lives in danger from shock, so every person helps in the way they can. That woman would have been there if galb had shown obvious signs of internal damage such as disorientation or siezures.

We are different, we help in different ways. I for one greatly appreciate the men who throw themselves into danger to help others, while understanding that many men and women couldn't do the same.

The Biscuit Queen
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:1)
by quetzal on 06:50 PM August 29th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Hello Biscuit Queen, I generally agree with your reply. But something to keep in mind along these same lines (in light of Amperro's reply to this same post, citing that 90% of violent crime is committed by men) -- wouldn't it also be true that most women are physically not capable of committing many of these violent crimes, for example aggravated assaults where someone is severely beaten, handling large weapons etc. I have a gut feeling that if some 'criminally-minded' women were stronger physically, the 90% would be lower. In fact I think this usually gets overlooked (intentionally?), i.e. the physical strength issue, in these 'scientific' studies that show that each sex has its preferred crimes. --Quetzal
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:12 PM August 29th, 2004 EST (#10)
good point...

p. george
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:2)
by jenk on 08:58 AM August 30th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Absolutely. Also woman are often at least partially supported and protected by one or more men and therefore do not need to commit those crimes to get the benefits from them. I think your point is a good one.
The Biscuit Queen
Re:I can only talk about my car accident... (Score:1)
by Hunchback on 07:50 AM September 1st, 2004 EST (#14)
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No doubt a woman will comfort a victim after a catastrophe. But very rare is the woman who will put her life on the line to help another. Sometimes her own child...sometiimes.

I agree with this statement. Rare also is the man who will put his life on the line to help another. But when a person does, more likely than not that person is male. Think mother standing outside a burning building yelling "My baby. My baby." Think a man--not a firefighter--rushing into the burning building. It is not just because of physical strength, though upbringing plays the major part. In this culture females are taught not to place themselves in harm's way. Period.

There are exceptions.
hhhmmm (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:53 PM August 28th, 2004 EST (#5)
yeah, if a woman did it, it'd be all over the news and everyone would be talking about heroic she was...And then this would be extended to the female population as a whole...

I have no doubt that the above would most certainly be the case. But, if you sit back and think about it. This would really be saying a woman doing this is the 'huge' exception to of norm...But people don't see that, and that's not what is meant if the above happened where a woman was such a brave hero...It turns into this amazing thing that women as a whole are....

p. george

Hero (Score:1)
by scarbo3 on 10:39 AM August 30th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Shoot, I can't even imagine an everyday MALE doing this...

That guy had balls, that's for sure.
Re:Hero (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:15 PM August 30th, 2004 EST (#13)
You're absolutely right that it's difficult to imagine an everyday male doing this; that's something I absolutely should have pointed out, and failed to do so.

A remarkable human being, all other criteria aside, and well-deserving of any and all accolades he receives. Isn't this a much more satisfying hero than some stupid overpaid sports star from a Burger King cup?
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