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Lets get real here, any womem or group of women who thinks younger men may be romantically interested in older women has her/their heads stuck up their asses. I would bet everything I own if you surveyed a million youngesh men very few if any would tell you they would be interested in an older women with the exception of the younger guys trying to land a rich older widow just for her money. I have read a lot of silliness and nonsense published by various womens groups but this is crazy. Are the feminists going to start a new crusade in which they are going to attempt to convince the public younger men are interested in older women! Give me a freqin break. Sorry but when most women are past 30, well they are just past it, don't blame me or anyone else, take the matter up with God, it was his engineering. Older women=Old bags period.
pete in nebraska
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"commitmentphobes", Commited to what?, to be the slave of a human scumbag, what exactly are the legal commitments western women do when they marry?.
Men are plain slaves without reproductive rights, that upsets me, but what really makes me mad is that society expects me to do it voluntarely and smiling all the way.
If they want to kill me, and they can , well nothing i can do, but do not expect me to get a gun and shot my self, while pretending i am very happy doing it.
If things would be just the other way round no women would ever get married or have children, i have already talked about this with female friends, and it is obvious, the ones that are used to have the upper hand will vomit just at the idea of being in the loser position, for the aristocrats it was ok to have serfs, serfdom was all right as long as they were not the ones force into serfdom, somehow they would have been surprise of peasants being reluctant to their "natural" destiny, exactly as western women depise men that do not "commit", a "commitment" that women will rather die than "commit" to. Women marry to live better not live worst, to remain the same?, why bother?, so long so good, but as marriage or de facto marriage, is a zero sum game there must be a loser for every winner.
I am not angry towards women for this, is just plain logical, what really makes me mad is that men are expected to get into a slavery relasionship, (were men are the slaves), VOLUNTARELY.
Men have been educated with the morals of the slave nation, (paraphrasing Nietche), the current status quo, the present system, can only remain as long as most men accepts it VOLUNTARELY, and the remaining are forced to it, (child support, alimony, willing prision fodder, willing cannon foder, etc).
Besides, involuntarely servitud is much less lucrative than voulutary and cooperative serfdom, housewives in a society were no man gets married?, no way, after taxes female parasites can only take 30% of men wages, more than that and they stop working, (much less of low income men), see New Zealand, 45% of men between 30 and 45 are unemployed, after child support lot of them no even accepts promotions, low income ones rather turn to benefits.
So, how is a woman going to live from 30% of an average wage?, furthemore from 30% of a disincentived worker salary. Not only that, if men do not commit to salvery, not only most of women will have to work to eat, they will have to work to have a house, and even if they rob men some of their income, not free anymore, at least there will be a price to pay, to have children.
Non commited men are less prone to accept being sent to wars, less manipulated by females, in one word the beguining of the end of this putrid society.
If i am going to be an slave without reproductive rights, they must FORCE ME!!, do not expect me to commit voluntarely. As the feminists says the personal is political.
Yes indeed, i am a very commited man, commited to freedom, commited to fight injustices. But as long as most men keep going like sheeps, ( singing all the way), to the slaughterhouse, (feminist marriage, feminist family), the system will remain, nothing will change.
If men beging to say NO!!, all starts to crumble, no politician will ever dream to do to women what they do to men regarding children, there wont be more children, no woman will ever enter in the shamefull relationship called marriage if the tables were turned, and they will insult any men suggesting them to do it, but men are different, men are the slave nation, they have been rised to serve, and most accepts it, and do it voluntarely, now things are so disgusting that even the domestic chattle that men are brought to be in western nations are rebelling.
Well as i say, being a third class citizen really upsets me, knowing that i can be exploited as slave labor and all my saving taken away upsets me too, or be in a situation, ("having" children), that could place me in prision, but what really drives me mad is the fact that i am supposed to enter in this degrading situation voluntarely and pretending that i am happy doing it.
PS: >One day taking about the issue with a female, i just said, hey listlen i will commit but like this: with a woman that makes more money that i do, living in her house, then knowing that in return of nothing i will have the right to live at her expense, while married or afterwards, she will have to support all the children "I" decide to have, weather from her or another woman,(I CHOSE), ofcourse those will be my children (CUSTODY), whenever i feel tired of the relationship or i find a better deal, (new slave), i will divorce her at will, keep her house, keep 30% of her salary under the threat of jail, if she is rich enough i will become a social parasite that does not pay taxes, does not contribute to the social security pool, have children but does not work to support them, does not even work to live. After this ofcourse i will be willing to remarry a new female slave, may be have some more children that other female slaves will have to support ofcourse, more houses, more properties more salaries stolen.
WILL YOU MARRY ME?,
Her answere: FUCK OFF!!!
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Oh MY GOD! I am an old BAG!!!!
AHHHH!!!!!
:-)
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 11:32 AM July 27th, 2004 EST (#15)
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No you're not.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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whew, you sure? I could have sworn he said over 30 = old bag...
I don't feel like an old bag, maybe a little burlappy, but new burlap, definatly not old burlap.
When I dated my Enlish prof (when I was 21), that was a 20 year difference. That was an age differance. My grandmother was 7 years older than my grandpa, and it was seen as no big deal. Boy, do 20 somethings really see 30 as that old? I think as much as materialism this obsession with youth is pretty ugly.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 02:04 PM July 27th, 2004 EST (#20)
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Well, if you ARE burlap, I'm sure it's good burlap.
I'm more like canvas, or something...,
Thuindercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:06 PM July 27th, 2004 EST (#21)
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And appearantly my BRAIN is made out of burlap because I just spelled my OWN NAME wrong!!!
"Thuindercloud"???? Where the hell did THAT come from?!?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
Ahh, that's better.
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by Anonymous User on 02:34 PM July 27th, 2004 EST (#24)
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It`s not really the age that makes a woman an "old bag",it`s her actions.
IMO,if a woman has respect for herself,doesn`t sleep around with every guy in town,and doesn`t abuse her body with booze and other things,then she can still be fine looking well into her 40s.
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by Anonymous User on 12:38 PM July 28th, 2004 EST (#29)
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Agreed.
Even into her 50s, in many cases.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Quote:but this person's attitude towards the entire thing left me wanting to take a shower and join a men's drumming circle.
While I quite agree that the article is unfriendly towards men I am also concerned about the above quote. In the 90's the media was shocked and left not knowing how to react to what was being called the "mens movement." In the medias adolescent fervor their manner of dealing with this was to make fun of men who were involved. Plenty of jokes about men going into the woods and drumming. The above quote seems to continue on those lines. But what was it that made the media nervous? Men had been going off together fishing for years or playing football or going to the "club." But this drumming in the woods really got them. They simply didn't know how to react so they made fun of it. And what do you think was the difference between men going off and fishing versus going off into the woods drumming? The difference is that men who were drumming were gathering and including the topic of their own emotional pain. This of course is taboo. A man's emotional pain is not allowed in public and so rather than broach the topic from an intelligent and compassionate perspective the media took the easy way out; they made fun of it.
For those of you not fortunate enough to have been involved in these early 90's adventures I will tell you that it was a celebration of the masculine in a way that painted the masculine in positive terms. Men were proud to be men. Men were finding a deep acceptance of themselves and a compassion for other men rather than the knee-jerk competition that too often surrounds our experience of being men. This too upset the media. It was in direct opposition to their favorite punching bag. They simply couldn't handle it.
If you look around I think you will find that many of the leaders of today's men's rights groups are veterans of those days in the 90's. I know several. They don't talk so much about it but they are hard at work being of service to the masculine because they know in their bones that the media and the feminists are spreading misandry far and wide and we need to respond.
Give me the men of a drumming circle anyday. Those are some good men.
Do we have True Equality?
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by Anonymous User on 01:03 PM July 26th, 2004 EST (#9)
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I remember those days in the early 90s, when men began those drumming circles.
Alot of us Indians said; "Now their getting the idea!" (^_^)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Yes, TC I can see how you would say that. It was especially good for me since I am a trained percussionist and have a life long love of all manner of drums and percussion instruments. It was my first experience of drumming without sticks and mallets. All of the percussion I had done prior was with sticks which is a great way to play but it's like wearing a condom. ;>)
What the experience taught me was that percussion can be used as a means to shift consciousness. I am sure that Native people knew that eons ago and used it for that very purpose. Men are surely in need of shifting their consciousness aren't we?
Do we have True Equality?
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by Anonymous User on 11:37 AM July 27th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Tom.
Yes, we do, indeed, need shifting of conciousness.
As far as drumming years ago, We Indians STILL do it. We believe that not only does the drum shift conciousness but puts us in rhythm with God's creation and even God Himself.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Well said TC. Well said indeed. "in rhythm with God's creation and even God Himself."
that about nails it.
I hope we can meet someday.
Do we have True Equality?
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I am 33 and she is ~54. She makes $74 K/y and I make $34 K/y.
Unlike young women she does not hate men -- and she is my best support.
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I have a different take on this article. I think the author was in some way making fun of the May/July-M/F thing, but in the same way that one finds ways to laugh a bit at the reality of things.
I also think there is something else kind of weird about it in that "older" is 30-35 while "younger" is 20-25. That doesn't seem like that much of a spread in ages. In fact I think this article is basically talking about how 30-something women are just plain running around doing it with younger guys. Seems reasonable enough given the general phase 30-something women are in and the general phase 20-something men are in, sexually speaking. And she really basically seems to suggest that the sexual thing is really all it's about and meant to be about, and that is OK by her. I do not see the anti-man-ness of this article others see; what I see is a cavalier attitude toward relationships, sexual ones in particular. This is absolutely no surprise at all- why should it be? American society has spent decades creating it. That a 30-something American woman is expressing herself as being down with it is nothing to be surprised at.
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I've never read Maxim, and now I know why. This woman can shag whoever she wants for whatever reason she wants. I should care, why? I'm supposed to give old chicks a shot because I might get a drink out of it? The article is filler drivel for a magazine trying to be a men's Cosmo. It's not working for me. I wonder who on earth buys it? I know a guy who got a gift subscription from his girlfriend. How annoying.
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by Anonymous User on 01:18 PM July 26th, 2004 EST (#10)
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You have to remember that this is what is "chic" now, for women to date MUCH younger men. It is part of their "we're takein' over" thing.
Women now want these much younger guys because they want (what else) toatal control. And the younger the better. Say 17, 16, 15, 14 or even younger. Never mind that it is pedophillia these women are indulging in. Never mind that it is ILLEGAL!
We must bend, no BREAK the rules to fit what these b!+@#es want.
If a man wants to screw a child he is a pervert who deserves casteration. But when a FEMALE is rapeing a child it is just "another kind of love"(!!!!) It's "trendy", "chic" and "en-vouge"
What a pile of hypocritical crap!
Is it any wonder I gave up on women years ago...?
Why does the law not see this as what it is? A 'power trip' thing at it's least. and pedophillia at it's worst
Excuse me I have to go get sick, now...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 10:52 AM July 26th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Hmm, I could save anywhere from $250 - $500 by finding one of this old whores, instead of shelling out that money for a young, beautiful, agile, honest women commonly known as a prostitute. Not a bad idea if times are tough for you. I wonder what the prostitution lobby has to say about this, it might definitely cut into their profits. A 26 year old whore to pay for everything, not bad. Might look into this, if I can get past her sagging tits and wrinkles. Thomas Jefferson did say the bosom of a women is all the same know matter if she is younger or older.
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by Anonymous User on 03:29 PM July 26th, 2004 EST (#11)
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I think older women are overrated.
Im 30 and I`ll admit,I see some sexy women who are in their 40s and 50s.Thing is,the sexy classy ones never seem to want a guy much younger than them.
The women who go for guys much younger than them usually do it because they can`t get a man their own age.And the young guys usually can`t get a girl their own age.They also know older women like that are mucho easy.
The media knows this and they try and make older women/younger man relationships "Hip" and Cool".
How else would you explain a movie like the upcoming "Door In The Floor"?A 16 year old guy has the hots for a 50 year old woman in that film.What guy,at 16,wanted a woman almost old enough to be his granny?
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What I found most interesting about this high-brow essay was how the older woman authoress defined herself in feminist language as a "sexual object" to be cheaply marketed and consumed by BoyToy players.
While she's clearly "objectifying" her younger male stud muffins, she is also admitting, if unconsciously, that she sees herself as a piece of ass to be had.
Feminism has always had its skanky dark side, and it seems to be on the rise. (I thought the Evil Patriarchy was supposed to be the enemy, but now apparently it's all about boning the enemy!)
I guess whoring around is now the aging sisterhood's badge of liberation.
Obviously the Marriage Strike will not be cancelled for lack of free coochie, as long as these perimenopausal skanks have any play left in them.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 11:40 AM July 27th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Why don't you guys see anything wrong with older men and teen girls?
Why don't you call those guys "skanks" and "whores"?
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"Why don't you guys see anything wrong with older men and teen girls?
Why don't you call those guys "skanks" and "whores"?
Well, when a nationally (nay worldwide) distributed women's magazine features an article by an older guy:
telling the rest of us how to pick up younger women, applies the most blatant anti-female rhetoric and stereotypes,advocates the use and abuse of said female for a very short time, adopts a smug male superiority complex, tells you all (the readers) that all men have utter contempt for you
Then I guess we will!
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by Anonymous User on 02:14 PM July 27th, 2004 EST (#22)
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You need to read around on this site for a while 'anon'.
If you do so, you will see that organizations like "NAMBLA" (comprised of all male pedophiles) has been flamed and sighted as an abomination a number of times on this website.
And to ansewer your question directly, I know of not one person here who thinks a male pedophile is any better than a female pedophile. BOTH are scum of the earth, in my oppinion.
The diffrence is, is that while male pedophiles are condemed (rightfully) FEMALE pedophillia is both incouraged and CELEBRATED by the feminists, like minded women (probably some men) and the media. And that's WRONG!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:39 PM July 28th, 2004 EST (#30)
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Okay, I hear you.
I did jump the gun, there.
Sorry.
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Well said!
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 02:40 PM July 27th, 2004 EST (#25)
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"I guess whoring around is now the aging sisterhood's badge of liberation."
That`s what is seems like.
BTW,would it be too much to ask for a modern day magazine to get a woman to do a column for a topic other than sex?
The media tells us all men care about is sex,yet whenever I see anything by a woman,it`s always SEX SEX SEX.
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The reason women columnists tend to write about sex is because sex is feminism's only (and depreciating daily) currency. (Creating actual marketable ideas and products is screened out by their "victim" ideology...)
Asking a female media pundit to ignore this topic is like asking a Wall Street broker to stop talking about money.
Come to think of it, when women talk about sex, they are usually indirectly talking about money...
as in, how to get more of HIS!
It's all simple exchange theory.
Women exchange what they have for what they want.
( Hey, it beats working for it... though I'm sure many femmies consider having sex to actually be work...)
Problem is, more and more men aren't in the mood to "cash in" on their ever more desperate offers.
It's called devaluation, girrrllllzzzz!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Over the last year or so this notion of older women dating younger men has shown up in every magazine on every day time talk show as well as every prime time "news magazine" on air .Its been used in tv commercials,movies and now its the focus of an article in this so called "mens" magazine.
This is a campaign pure and simple.This is how these campaigns are run and precisely how feminists get their agendas accepted.Even though the natural female instinct has been the dating of men older than themselves. In the "mind" of feminists this must change, simply because it is differant than the male instinct.And since the male instinct is towards dating younger than themselves,then this become's the new female directive. And, as in the past, when the latest feminist agenda is heavily promoted by the western media, its something that more and more women will begin wanting. Or at least saying they want.
"All you fascists bound to lose" - Woody Guthrie
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woody;
exactly, but as you say it will never work. these nutcakes are going against human nature, all the media hoopla in the world is not going to change a damm thing. older women are not desirable by younger men, older men want younger women period. Nothing except God himself can change that. I am not sure if these people attempting to change this have runnaway egos or if they are just plain stupid. I would tend to think the later. As I said in a previous post lets get real here.
pete in nebraska
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