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by Anonymous User on 06:11 PM July 22nd, 2004 EST (#1)
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Here's the same story at the NY Post and you don't need to register.
Ray
(click) Groin Hit Story
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by Anonymous User on 08:14 PM July 22nd, 2004 EST (#2)
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- The writer of the article is a man, Martin Miller. If he suffered a groin kick or even an attempt at one, he likely would not find it funny at all.
- The article talks about how "almost all the positions of power" are held by men which supposedly makes them a fair target for humor. How much power in society is actually held by men? Also, why is hurting someone called "humor"?
- A movie not mentioned is the movie "I-Spy." There is a scene where a woman hits a man between the legs, but it turns out that he is wearing a protective cup.
- The article concentrates on groin kicks in movies and entertainment media. However, there are also groin injuries which do not necessarily involve paid actors. America's Funniest Home Videos did an episode completely on groin injuries due to earlier complaints from men. The Parents Television Council considers AFHV to be "inappropriate for family viewing" and cites male groin injuries among other things of "questionable taste."
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"The article talks about how "almost all the positions of power" are held by men which supposedly makes them a fair target for humor.""
I don't understand something. Up until the late 1970's, these groin assault jokes didn't exist. In fact, if you look at entertainment back then, you see women were just as fair a target for humor, sometimes even violent humor. Some people even say that women were the target of humor more so than men.
If being a fair target of humor is the result of holding almost all positions of power, does that mean that until several decades ago, men didn't hold almost all positions of power, or that women held almost all positions of power?
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by Anonymous User on 04:24 PM July 24th, 2004 EST (#25)
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Yup. The article just spews out an idiotic rationalization for the sexual abuse of males. There's no excuse for this abuse.
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by Anonymous User on 02:24 PM July 25th, 2004 EST (#28)
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Maybe some of us should try getting in to the "entertainment" industry and make TV shows and movies where everything that is done to men in the mainstream "entertainment" industry is done to women. We would do shows where ALL the women are stupid, boobs, who can't do anything right (like drive a car and leave the toilet seat lid down) We would do shows where women are beaten up and kicked in the vagina every 5 minuets and are freaquently shown in lesbian bondage situations, tied up, gagged, with jumper cables attatched to their vaginas and/or breasts.
We would have news shows that ignore women's issues but go on forever about men's issues. We would only talk about male victims of domestic violence and toataly ignore the female victims as well as denying that there even ARE female victims of DV. We would do report after report about prostate cancer and ignore breast cancer. We would do report after report of ciminal females, while ignoring any crimes commited by men. And when ever a man DID commit a crime against a woman we would excuse it away, saying that the woman must have somehow deserved it because she was a woman. Any and all letters to our company that PROTEST our treatment of females in our news and shows will be ignored or we will call the protesters anti-male for complaining about the sexist treatment of women in or products.
I have much more and could go on but I'm sure you all get my point, by now.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Oh TC I do love you. TC said: "We would have news shows that ignore women's issues but go on forever about men's issues." Just the thought of that made me feel much better. Just the thought.
Do we have True Equality?
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by Anonymous User on 11:50 AM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#5)
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--How much power in society is actually held by men?--
I have a couple of jobs. Some of my bosses are male and some are female. They have "power" over me, but I like them and certainly wouldn't laugh if physical pain came to them.
--Also, why is hurting someone called "humor"?--
Good question. I've said it before: on SESAME STREET, about twenty years ago, there was a scene when one of the human characters hurt himself (banging his thumb with a hammer or something), and Oscar the Grouch asked if he was in pain, and the guy said, "Yes, it hurts a lot. I guess you're enjoying this, Oscar."
But Oscar was taken aback (as taken aback as a Muppet can be) and said, "No, I'm not! I laugh at a lot of things but I don't laugh when someone's in pain! Pain hurts!"
People make fun of Mister Rogers and SESAME STREET all the time, and yet the people on those shows seem to understand something that their critics do not: that physical pain is not a source of humor.
Boy Genteel
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This isn't just a matter of physical pain, but mainly it's sexual violation which is also gender-specific, and so it's much worse than stomping on someone's foot.
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by Anonymous User on 05:13 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#12)
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"This isn't just a matter of physical pain, but mainly it's sexual violation which is also gender-specific, and so it's much worse than stomping on someone's foot."
Good point. It strikes me as strange that a man mentioning the word "vagina" can be considered sexual harassment/assault but a woman not only saying, not only looking at, not only touching (without consent), but deliberately hurting a man there WON'T be considered sexual harassment/assault by those same people. But remember that lots of men and women do agree with us...
bg
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>>>I don't understand something. Up until the late 1970's, these groin assault jokes didn't exist. In fact, if you look at entertainment back then, you see women were just as fair a target for humor, sometimes even violent humor.
Some friends and I were watching old episodes of the Twilight Zone show (from the early 1960's). There was an epsisode with a nice, older man married a younger woman. The man was honest, caring and nice, while the woman was portrayed as being selfish, greedy and domineering.
The story involved the older man getting a "youth serum" that eventually turned him into an infant. When the woman found out that she now had to *care for* and dote on her "husband", the show protrayed this as a snobbish, selfish, uncaring woman "getting what was coming to her".
When a friend and I discussed the episode, one of the things that we agreed on is that, you dont see female characters getting thier "come-uppance". TV shows, movies, etc frequently show men being "bad" and being punished for it in all manner of ways. But it seems rare for a show to portray a woman, unless she is an obvious villain of the story, in such a way that her actions are portrayed as negative and she has to pay the price.
Just an observation
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by Anonymous User on 11:05 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#16)
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Yeah, I've noticed that too.
Females in media CONSTANTLY err with immunity to come-upance. No matter WHAT they do.
Especialy when they transgress againt men.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 10:15 AM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#4)
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someone quoted a comment that this sort of humor was okay since men most positions of power...
they do not care about men who have been sexually assaulted, who find this sort of humor to show a callaused attitude to their own suffering...
it's not just groin kicks, it's all sorts of rape jokes as well...and then there's the whole circumcision thing where you get laughed at and ridiculed for even saying you feel violated and consider your genitals mutilated from this "procedure"...Sometimes you're even told, "it's nothing comared to what women have to go through", meaning FGM. Yet, no woman here has even had the remotest chance of having any paret of their genitals removed for aboslutley no medical reason...
I've always thought we live in a sick world, still do...
P. George
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by Anonymous User on 12:25 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#6)
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The way this "gag' is written into movies is what has formed the popular cultural acceptance of this assault. If this assault were used as a dirty way to attack someone, expecially someone that a woman loved and cared about do you think people would be laughing? No. Ultra-leftist hollywood mascochistic feminist men have worked this sick concept into our culture by using groin injuries as comic aid.
Some points from the article:
"Women would certainly be screaming and complaining if men were kicking women in the genitals [in popular culture],"
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"As long as there are human beings," "there will be film depictions of guys getting hit in the testicles."
So, if the insult were to occur to women this type of assault (which is directed to the younger generations as entertainment) would likely not exist. Yet since this type of assault happens to men nothing can be done about it.
Media today depicts women as STRONG and Powerful, and usually with an unnatural basis for these powers.
Men are depicted as generally less intelligent, and have to endure sexual attacks on our reproductive organs and accept it as humor.
This is a sick world that feminism has created through one sided relentless advocacy in all things media.
What equality?
CJ
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#9)
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Go see Halle Berry's movie CATWOMAN.
There are LOTS of groin kicks in that.
It's sexy, most men like it.
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by Anonymous User on 07:36 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#14)
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Oh really, how do you know most men like it?
CJ
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The best solution to this problem, is to require an FCC regulation prohibiting such things except as in reference to their being a crime, equivalent to rape and sexual battery.
Men need to demand the same rights to their sexual sanctity and self-esteem, as women; and this type of media-message is an outright violation of that right, as well as
Rape is claimed to be more of a violation "because it involves penetration into the body," however this is sexist since female genitals are internal, and hence it is their nature to be penetrated, while male genitals are external and, subject to the same level of violation by external means; to exploit men's particular anatomical vulnerability as "acceptable" while protecting against similar violations of women-- despite being an equal or greater violation (greater, because it's both sexual violation as well as injurious), is pure sexist absurdity, and a violation of the grossest kind at the most basic level.
Likewise, there is a greater sense of social protection toward women, that prevents such violence against them-- which women shamelessly continue to expect and demand despite wanting equality elsewhere. This unequal protection is an outright violation of Constitutional guarantees of equality, and therefore such messages should be outlawed just like similar portrayals against women.
For this reason, it's time to call in the big guns-- the law. Since men's rights are being violated, it only stands to reason that laws must be enacted in order to protect them; such laws can take the form of statutes, administrative regulations, and court opinions (particularly the 14 amendment requirement of equal protection under the law).
Until men's sexual and personal sanctity is protected and respected equally to that of women, we will continue to see more such violations.
I have personally stated that a man is well within their rights to KILL anyone who assaults his genitals, just as a woman claim the right to kill anyone who tries to them-- and I do so now.
If someone tries such a thing-- or even threatens it-- consider it a declaration of WAR; and this goes for the media as well; don't smile, laugh and pretend it's funny-- or ignore it.
We are in a state of WAR with the media and resulting societal attitudes, and I encourage people to write their representatives, file complaints with the FCC, and file lawsuits demanding sanctions against this gross defamatory violation of our most basic rights and sanctity. There is no excuse for it, and we cannot tolerate it any longer--for any reason.
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by Anonymous User on 01:18 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#10)
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Tulkas.
You are right we ARE at war.
That is why I always end my posts with the war-cry "Hoka hey!"
WE ARE AT WAR! It is a war none of us asked for, but it has been declared on us by feminists, like-minded women (and some men) and the media.
I'm with you. It's time for some "shock and awe" of our own!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I agree we are at war.
The most damaging part of this war is that it is largely invisible. People don't see the bullets flying and the grenades being lobbed at men and boys because they are accepted by our culture. When we respond people look at us as though we are swinging at air! They simply don't see it. We need to pound away to help them see it.
We need to take action. Repeatedly. I emailed martin.miller@latimes and offered him some feedback. I am guessing at the email address but the times addresses seem to use that format. We will see.
Do we have True Equality?
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It's the result of hollywood and the news media being dominated by the feminazi Left. It is the Left from which the misandrist attitudes originally came from (though, of course, they've spread to the Right as well), it is the Left from which the "patriarchy" / "men have all the power" / "men control the world" / "men are responsible for all evils" propaganda is emanating. It's similar to the propaganda waged against Jews 70 years ago in anti-Semitic countries - "Jews have all the power" / "Jews are the source of all evil" etc. That too, had resulted in movies depicting Jews as subhuman and fair targets of extremely violent humor.
incredibletulkas wrote:
Rape is claimed to be more of a violation "because it involves penetration into the body,"
It's just tendentious reasoning -- society has decided women's pain is a tragedy whereas men's pain is a comedy, and is rationalizing it through soundbytes. What matters is the empirical result, not convoluted theories. According to the studies I've read, the negative mental impact on men who were genitally assaulted is actually somewhat higher than that of women who were raped. But that won't matter so long as men are regarded by society as subhumans who exist for people's sadistic outlet.
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"society has decided women's pain is a tragedy whereas men's pain is a comedy, and is rationalizing it through soundbytes."
That is an excellent summary Rand T. It also holds true for emotional pain. Women's is a tragedy and men's is comedy or not worth noticing. More of Chomskys worthy victim stuff. Women are worthy victims and portrayed as suffering and having multiple exctenuating circumstances, men are portrayed as perps and their personal data and extenuating circumstances are left out of articles and media leaving them appearing cold and heartless. Media chivalry sucks.
Do we have True Equality?
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by Anonymous User on 12:55 PM July 24th, 2004 EST (#19)
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too bad chomsky doesn't discuss men as not being worthy "victims" by our media. Funny thing though, I've seen him critiqued by feminists, or the left for not talking about women's issues enough. I'm not joking...
p. george
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Good point that Chomsky likely doesn't say a peep about men being unworthy victims even though by his definition there is not way around it. As usual any man standing up for men and boys is forced to connect the dots on their own and paint the truth for all to see...and then be ignored and ridiculed. We have an uphill battle that calls us to do twice as much.
Do we have True Equality?
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According to the studies I've read, the negative mental impact on men who were genitally assaulted is actually somewhat higher than that of women who were raped. But that won't matter so long as men are regarded by society as subhumans who exist for people's sadistic outlet.
What do you expect, when they're laughed at, humiliated and disregarded of their intimate sanctity, self-esteem and personal worth and value, which is claimed as nothing, and their attackers are empowered,
while women are pitied, supported and comforted, and their attackers are persecuted like the ultimate criminals? How can a person of any self-respect NOT feel more of a negative impact?
Simply put, men have always been considered expendible-- in both war and peace. However, this expendibility was formerly a badge of honor, since it was the price of a man's power, in return for his duty, responsiblity and sacrifice to God, Mother and Country, which made them politically superior to women.
Now, women are suddenly considered "equal" to men politically, while inexplicably retaining their superior social priveleges of protection and latitude-- as well as not having to make a single sacrifice, even draft-registration.
This presents a simple social message that women are superior to men, who are to be abused (as in raped, tortured and killed) in an elitist manner, just as the Nazis abused the Jews, the KKK abused the blacks, etc.
I think the best solution is to form an organization named the "MALE ANTI-DEFAMATION FOUNDATION" engage lawsuits against such defamatory messages- which will qualify for punitive damaages since they are wilful and malicous hate-messages against a particular group, and do not qualify as protected speech under the 1st Amendment.
Similar legal protections should likewise be applied, such as statutes and administrative regulations (by the FCC).
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by Anonymous User on 07:51 PM July 23rd, 2004 EST (#15)
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"When we respond people look at us as though we are swinging at air! They simply don't see it. We need to pound away to help them see it."
I waxed my little black truck a couple of weekends back, and in some places it's down to the primer, but it still shines like a diamond in all the other places. Blacks a very flashy color, o.k. absence of color.
I bought 4 new pieces of plywood a while back and painted over a couple of other signs I was recycling so....
I have some new truck signs I'm working on, but I have to admit, I'm slow. Truck signs being rather large do take a lot of time, and I've gotten finicky about the lettering. I like the signs to look as flashy as the waxed truck.
I went to auto club a while ago and got some maps of Hollywood and Sacramento. I then photo copied and enlarged the sections of the Hollywood map I want to drive a route on. There are strict cruising laws so I want to make a pass down Hollywood and Sunset blvds. on Saturday nights then drive back home through Beverly Hills. I've got the route down and plan to stop and eat too, unless the restraunt throws me out.
Oh yea, I almost forgot, the 4' X 8' sayings I'm working on are:
HOLLYWOOD IS (this line will be changeable)
SEXIST & HATEFUL
AGAINST MEN
other first lines: LOS ANGELES IS, L. A. COUNTY IS, CALIFORNIA IS, MOVIES ARE, COMMERICIALS ARE, COLLEGES ARE, FEMINISTS ARE, NEWSPAPERS ARE, TELEVISION IS, etc. You get the idea on that one.
other signs:
PATERNITY FRAUD
IS DEADBEAT
GOVERNMENT (for a friend)
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
LAWS HATEFULLY
BATTER MEN
FEMINIST
RAGEAHOLICS
BATTER MEN
As always your ideas are welcome, appreciated, and if o.k. may wind up in Hollywood protesting the abuses of our feminized institutions.
One last thing, due to the size of the lettering I really try to keep the letter on each line to 15 (including spaces). That really limits what can be said, but the larger letters are a lot more visible so I try to do 3 lines, then 15 letter per line, or less.
The paint dries well in the summer heat too.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:49 PM July 24th, 2004 EST (#20)
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Awesome Ray!
Send us some pictures!
CJ
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Here's an idea for a sign that's sure to get some attention:
Find out the name of the administrator of your local domestic violence shelter. For instance, let's say it's "Jane Doe".
Make a large sign that says "EVERY 15 SECONDS JANE DOE IGNORES ANOTHER BATTERED MEN"
Put it on your truck and ride around town with it. Eventually she'll get the message. I'm seriously thinking of doing it in my neck-of-the-woods. :o)
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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That should say "EVERY 15 SECONDS JANE DOE IGNORES ANOTHER BATTERED MAN".
Damn I can't seem to type good anymore.....
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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that might him sued, best to be general
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by Anonymous User on 04:22 PM July 24th, 2004 EST (#24)
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Ray, you're great!!! You're an inspiration!! I'm planning my own sort of protest. Somewhat different style, but thx for the encouragement.
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As always your ideas are welcome, appreciated, and if o.k. may wind up in Hollywood protesting the abuses of our feminized institutions.
How about: "The Problem With Child Support Is Not Enough Women Pay It. 50 / 50 Parity!"
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Here is the letter that I sent. I hope that many
of you wrote to the LA Times as well.
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Dear Editor:
I was appalled to read Martin Miller’s “Style and Culture” column of July 19 regarding how “funny” and “acceptable” that it is to see men sexually assaulted and injured. I realize that this sort of humor by Hollywood has, in the last 30 years or so, it has become so common in the entertainment industry that to not show or joke about sexually injuring men on prime-time TV shows or movies is the exception, rather than the rule. Commercials such as Budweiser’s Super Bowl ad, and shows such as "America's Funniest Videos", for example routinely show men being sexually harmed for the sake of a laugh. That this is a huge anti-male cultural change is attested to by the fact that this was completely unheard of on, say, pre-1975 TV shows. This kind of humor has become so commonplace that almost no-one in the media notices it anymore. It is found on TV commercials, it is found on most TV sit-coms, it is also found in talk shows such as, for one infamous example, when Katie Couric of the Today Show asked a jilted bride if she had “considered castration” for the man who had walked out on her, and it is also found in the movie industry, where to give a recent example of children’s movies, “Cheaper by the Dozen” features a pit bull ferociously attacking a young man's genitals. That this kind of sexual violence has become the norm is well attested by the fact that entertainment reviewers, such as those of the L.A. Times, seem completely blind to these scenes and almost never mention them in their reviews.
If this anti-male sexual sadism were simply an annoyance of adult foolishness, with little effect on children I would probably continue to ignore it. Unfortunately, like most adult foolishness, it is our children that pay the price for it. Recently, my 7 year old son was kicked in the crotch by another child in a dispute over a toy. When the little girl who kicked him was asked to explain herself, she said that "they do it all the time on cartoons, and it is funny". Unfortunately these sorts of sexual assaults on our nation’s boys are all too common. In 1995 David Finkelhor of the Family Research Laboratory (University of New Hampshire) published in an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association on the frequency of this kind of sexual assault (yes, kicks, knees and punches to the groin qualify as 2nd degree sexual assault in most states) on school age children in the U.S. The results were that approximately 10% of all boys PER YEAR are assaulted this way. About 1 in 50 of these boys suffer medically significant injuries and the majority of boys that are targeted for this kind of violence are what many would cruelly call "nerds" (boys that have asthma, boys that are not good athletes, or that wear glasses, or are generally bullied). In a nation of approximately 50 million school-age children (the U.S.), of which half are male, this translates into roughly 50,000 boys per year sustaining medically significant sexual injuries. This high rate is due, in part, to the wide social acceptance of this kind of humor. The L.A. Times, like society as a whole, has shown a moral myopia in failing to recognize and simply call for an end to this brand of sadistic “humor”.
While I understand that I am fighting a losing battle for movies, TV shows and TV commercials that target adult audiences, surely the effect upon our children is sufficient to cause us to think twice about this? Why doesn’t the L.A. Times simply show the moral backbone to call such “humor” what it is: just another form of sadism?
Best Regards----Doug Wells
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