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I thought that workplace "sexual harrassment" policies were genderless in their intent and enforcement! (Yeah, right...)
If a guy had placed a kaleidoscope (obvious phallic symbol) on a chair, during a company party, suggested that a female employee "sit on it," because it is "moist and meaty..."
do ya think he might have found a pink-slip STAT in his In Box the next day?
Along with a lawsuit by the offended female victim for anguish, emotional injury, and sexual harassment?
But in this case ... "everything was resolved to everyone's satisfaction!"
Note especially that the guy who was publicly humiliated by this female Illinois-Senator-Wannabe DID NOT PRESS CHARGES!
Chauvanism is a wonderful thing....
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Ahh give me a break. I get so sick of this stuff.
The antics of this female, the antics of Mr Ryan , may have been juvenile or ill-advised. They were NOT criminal. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Sexual harrasment laws are ALWAYS used against men, so we don't particularily care when some female does something silly and and faces the draconian penalties. Rather than trying to repeal this silliness - which seeks to legislate into existence human robots who never make sexual jokes and never offend each other- we cheer for female blood in an understandable, if pathetic, desire for revenge.
Well, I'm not participating in it. There's no glee for me here, watching something stupid and silly and mostly harmless become a federal crime. A pox on all feminists and so-called mens rights activists who support this silliness.
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by Anonymous User on 01:22 AM July 16th, 2004 EST (#4)
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"There's no glee for me here, watching something stupid and silly and mostly harmless become a federal crime. A pox on all feminists and so-called mens rights activists who support this silliness."
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I hear your frustration and understand your desire to dismiss this radical/gender feminist fabricated issue for the fringe lunacy that it is, but unfortunately the silliness is law and is having devastating effects in the lives of ordinary men. The consequences of accusations of sexual harassment against men are not (IMHO) as unimportant and silly as you allege. To wit:
"Consider the case of Michael Bullock, a popular forty-nine-year-old high school math instructor known for his devotion to teaching. A female student poked playfully at Bullock, in front of the class, commenting on his corpulence by saying that his chest was big. He replied that hers was small. This response led to his subsequent suspension form teaching. While waiting to hear whether he was to be reprimanded or transferred to an administrative job, Bullock killed himself. Now his students say, 'He cared too much. That's what got him.' In the emotional confusion that followed this event, a school spokeswoman defended the girl who had made the charge, expressing concern-and this is the most telling detail of the case-that the suicide would have the effect of discouraging other students from filing complaints." Heterophobia by Daphne Patai, Pp. xiii
I respectfully take exception to your opinion that the sexual harassment industry is mostly harmless, and I will not be so callous as to tell other men, "Get tough or die," or "Take it like a man," or "Suck it up," or "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." The 75% suicide rate for men is all the proof I need to say that we are overdue in our need to be showing far more consideration to the plight of men in our man-hating, male bashing, radical feminist indoctrinated American society.
Sincerely, Ray
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I respectfully take exception to your opinion that the sexual harassment industry is mostly harmless,
I suggest you re-read. You have totally inverted my opinion on this issue. Not only do I not hold the sexual harrasment industry harmless, I view it as exteremely harmful to both women and men. I simply refuse to take part in glee over this woman's suffering any more than I took glee at watching Mr Ryan ripped to pieces by his 'scandal'.
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by Anonymous User on 08:15 PM July 16th, 2004 EST (#9)
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"Not only do I not hold the sexual harrasment industry harmless, I view it as exteremely harmful to both women and men. I simply refuse to take part in glee over this woman's suffering any more than I took glee at watching Mr Ryan ripped to pieces by his 'scandal'."
I stand corrected.
It is certainly true that the sexual harassment industry goes after the slight offence harshly, much as it goes after serious discrimination. It all helps SHI to fill it coffers and expand its business. The SHI is "silly" in its attack on a lot of behavior that falls under heterosexual courtship more than sexual harassment. The SHI encourages frivolous charges of sexual harassment for the trivial offences and makes places of work sexist and hostile for heterosexuals, but mostly men.
Ray
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Remo,
Regrets that the use of anti-male discriminatory sexual harassment laws in the workplace interrupts your devotion to gleefulness.
Would that we all had such lofty goals...
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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I won't be running to the assistance of Andrea Barthwell, since I believe stupid laws should be applied equally. But I also believe lending support to sexual harassment charges validates the whole concept. To me, it's a higher cause to get rid of the sexual harassment industry than to make sure women are equally screwed by it. I join you in your non-participation.
The Republican senate candidate should have stood up to his wife and everyone and continued to run. That's his own fault for not having backbone.
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"The Republican senate candidate should have stood up to his wife and everyone and continued to run. "
The way I understand this story, Ryn and his wife both agreed that the sealed divorce documents should not be opened. The two have apparently made peace in the interest of moving on and raising thier son as two competent parets should. The demand to unseal the documents came from the Chicago Tribune, whose editors sued for the documents, and the judge agreed. The criminal here, in my estimation, is the judge. Not the ex-wife.
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I thought his wife was openly complaining, but her statements were just in the sealed document like you say. I stand corrected.
Even so, I was disappointed he caved to pressure to withdraw.
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by Anonymous User on 12:46 AM July 16th, 2004 EST (#3)
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"I thought that workplace "sexual harrassment" policies were genderless in their intent and enforcement! (Yeah, right...)"
I just finished reading Heterophobia a book by Daphni Patai (former women's studies professor of 10 years) about the SHI (sexual harassment industry). In her book she writes: "...harassement in practice seems to go in one direction only." and "The SHI's commitment to the idea of "power inbalances" inherent in "patriarchial" society compels it to ignore that these things ever happen {female sexual harassment (my emphasis)}, or at least that they have any significance. In such a perspective, an individual woman's "professional power" is always trumped by a male's (including a male student's) "social power." Pp. 46
She goes on to say: "Accusations of sexual harassment are unusually well suited to serve as a weapon. A law that rests so comfortably on the victim's say-so and others' reactions to that say-so, a law that deals so cavalierly with evidence, is ideally suited for abuse. In fact, it could transpire that abuse is the normal use made of such a law and the regulations it has spawned." Pp. 55
There are many other profound and insightful quotes accurately assesing the sexist and hostile envioronment that men face in the work force today, (In Israel sexual harassment has already been extended to include behavior in public settings: sidewalks, streets, etc.). Near the end of her book Patai writes these chilling words, "Sensitized as I now am to this subject, it is obvious to me, as I have argued throughout this book, that much of the zealotry we are seeing in the university (and out of it) on the issue of sexual harassment should be construed as an attack, quite specifically, not only on men, but on heterosexuality." "...men are the main target and that the cessation of heterosexual expression -or even interest- seems to be the cheif agenda of many feminists"
Lastly, she writes, "I do not think we should assuage our outrage over such infringement of people's rights with the assurance that the most egregious encroachments will be dismissed by the courts. Before that happens they will certainly have contributed to a climate in which men will have become "the universal scapegoat." Pp. 194
and "They have succeeded by means of sexual harassment legislation, in introducing an element of genuine paranoia into the relaionships of ordinary men and women, and this achievement should not be taken lightly. Their ideas need to be seen for what they are: a project posing as utopian that, were it ever to become reality, would turn out to be a nightmare." Pp. 207
Sincerely, Ray
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