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If I'm reading the article correctly, the girl he had sex with that resulted in his conviction was 16, not 18.
He admitted to another encounter with an 18 year old HS student, as part of his plea for sentencing.
The pattern described in the article suggests the guy is a perp and a predator.
Hope he enjoys hard time in the tossed salad Block of his local prison!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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First if the genders were reversed, the adult women would have gotten off much easier. If she had three young children like he did, the incident would have been forgotten and she would have gotten help. An encounter with an 18 year old, while perhaps distasteful to some, is perfectly legal and doesn't make him a "predator." Besides, the "rape" was statutory not forcible.
Second, the female teacher in the other article was sending off-colored notes to 13 YEAR OLDS! Granted, she didn't followthrough; but her actions are more indicative of a sick puppy.
Lastly, the Salad Block comment was uncalled for. Prison rape is nothing any self-respecting men's activist should joke about. It is a desecration of our movement. Far too often we MRAs to show that we're "fair" are much harder on men than we are on women, a kind of knee-jerk chivalry to show we're not women-haters. This gotta stop. Would any person here gleefully condemn a woman convicted of statutory rape to a daily gangrape? No? Then unless you're a radical feminist, don't be so cavalier with the well-being of your brethren.
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by Anonymous User on 08:18 PM June 28th, 2004 EST (#3)
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I can understand why the feminists are so upset. The fact the girl was 16 is relevant. That makes this legally a rape, but what has the femitwits fuming is the fact that this guy was a cop, a big guy, an adult person having sex with a minor.
This was a person in a power position, and that is one of the key factors looked at when sexual harassment acts are alleged. It is a feminist guideline and a rallying call. According to feminists this guys is a classic patriarch using his power and control to rape a woman. To die hard feminists this case is a red flag, and the feminist bullies are snorting and pawing at the ground to go after this guy, this case.
I'm sure this guy will be used as an example to show the evil that men do for a long time to come by feminist propagandists.
Remember according to femitwit doctrine, it’s all about “power and control,” and “female victimhood.” I guess this cop wasn’t paying much attention when the feminist trainers where indoctrinating his police department. No doubt he is listening now.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 09:36 PM June 28th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Prison rape is nothing any self-respecting men's activist should joke about.
I agree totally. No one deserves to be raped. Period. That includes men.
In my opinion, no one deserves to be locked up for 10 years for consensual sex with a 16-year old, either.
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"In my opinion, no one deserves to be locked up for 10 years for consensual sex with a 16-year old, either."--Anonymous
I think I agree with that. Especially since an adult woman would probably not get that kind of sentence for having consensual sex with a 16-year old boy. Even if it was the boy's teacher.
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by Anonymous User on 11:09 PM June 28th, 2004 EST (#6)
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As if it would have *killed* him *not* to have done it? Or anything along those lines?
What consistently gets left out about this subject lately is the simple fact that screwing a 16-year-old is *not* even remotely *close* to being any kind of necessity of life.
Sorry, No. It's simply *not* that fundamentally difficult to exercise basic self-discipline and obey the law.
Maybe the sentence is excessive, and maybe it isn't. But the fact remains that nobody, *NOBODY*, *needs* to violate the statutory rape laws of their locale. Period, end of story.
And we've seen what happens when the attitude of "My gender, right or wrong" becomes a fundamental principle: femelitism, and all the blatant discrimination and misandry and social costs that have come with it.
We need to avoid that. It's vital. We must remain vigilant against it, and insist on applying a single objective standard, *even to other men*.
The bottom line is that adhering to the statutory rape laws is *not* particularly difficult. It does not require a huge effort. A fact that seems to go routinely ignored where women who do so are concerned, *and shouldn't* -- and should not where *men* are concerned either.
Just because the women get away with it does not mean that men should be able to get away with it also.
The result for which we should be striving is for *no one* to get away with it, regardless of their gender.
I am really, really disturbed by the recent tone around here of condoning this sort of thing. I will repeat the basic point again: obeying the statutory rape laws is *NOT*, repeat *NOT*, a particularly hard thing to do. It simply requires a basic modicum of self-discipline. And that simple fact conclusively destroys any argument for condoning this sort of behavior.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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Social morality and the laws used to enforce them dont define reality or the insticts and motivations that drive people they only serve to punish those insticts that are currently defined as unacceptable.The world has a long history to draw on for examples of the effects of rigid inflexible moral codes.The Catholic church for millenium enforced its rigid arbitrary view of sexuality to the detriment of millions the cornerstone of which was abstinence and self control, the very arguments you are making here.And its curious that since the Churches influence has been on the wain feminism has eagerly stepped in to fill the void with there own brand of sexual intolerance and hypocrisy.
Simply becasue these rigid legal lines define moral absolutes for you the reality is it has no effect what so ever on the two people that find themselves on opposite sides of this legal divide.The only question open is how do we as a society deal with these very real drives that inevitable lead to very real relationships.Using the argument "just dont do it" has about as much value and impact as the churches demand for abstinence and self control.
This is the sexual drive we are talking about here and there are few things in this universe as powerfull and difficult to ignore as the attraction between two people that are drawn to one another.And the attraction that draws "both" the female and the male into these relationships is what we are talking about here not rape .Defining this as rape carries about as much meaning as defining it as sin but instead of the promise of an imaginery hell what is served up is a very real one that begins with the labels predator and pedophile and ends with a prison sentence and a destoyed life.
Sounds just to me so lets fry one more up!!
"All you fascists bound to lose" - Woody Guthrie
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by Anonymous User on 06:50 AM June 29th, 2004 EST (#8)
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At what age does a woman know her mind about her sexuality. I know they become legal at 18 (sort of), but thanks to feminism, legal sex is a moving target subject always to the whims of the female. "I changed my mind." "Stop, Go." "Yes, No, Yes."
In the arena of sexuality it appears initially the lesbians have won. The only safe sex with a woman is between two women, except the hidden truth about lesbian domestic violence is starting to come out in a number of new books. People were repulsed by the underage sex between two women (the coche snorcher segment) in the vagina monologues and it drew so much criticism they raised the age of the little girl to the legal age of consent.
Age of consent is supposed to have something to do with a woman's maturity, and her ability to mean "yes" when she says "yes," but given the irresponsibility that women have with their own bodies, everyone should be wary of ever having sex with a woman. In our sexist, bigoted society the man is the only person who under law is always accountable for his actions. Women are always subject to the whims of their own interpretation, and now those whims are more and more enshrined into western laws.
Ray
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I recently had a conversation with someone in the medical profession and apparently here in Canada there is no minimum age of consent when it comes to medical procedures.This is a fairly recent law and it became the law as a result of pressures applied by womens groups to insure that no matter what the age girls did not require the consent of parents or guardians for such things as abortion or prescriptions for the pill because as the well known feminist line goes "a womens body is her own" .And yet if one of these young girls exercises her rights under this law and makes a decision to go on the pill and explore her sexuality then searches out an older boy with a cool car in order to do this,the same feminist movement that went so far in order to protect her "rights to her own body" then in the most hostile of ways defines and then destroys the boy.COOL CAR OR NOT.
"All you fascists bound to lose" - Woody Guthrie
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YES! Any female regardless of age has the constitutional protected right to get an abortion. Parents, husband, boyfriend or anybody else can not void HER discision to do this. But according to the law, somehow a 16 year old going on 30 doesn't have the mental capacity or maturity to decide to have sex with an adult. The state in its infinite misandrous wisdom has to impose draconian statutes on any adult (mostly men of course) who may even be deceived about her true age to prevent her immature decision making. I just wonder if underaged girls can go into a fertility clinic and get artifically inseminated? Would the clinic be held liable for statutory rape?
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"I just wonder if underaged girls can go into a fertility clinic and get artifically inseminated? Would the clinic be held liable for statutory rape?"
That im afraid is just about ridiculous enough to happen.
"All you fascists bound to lose" - Woody Guthrie
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by Anonymous User on 11:37 AM July 1st, 2004 EST (#24)
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Dude, if it wasn't for prison rape, I'd be a lot more inclined to commit crime.
Let's see, health care paid for, roof over my head, three squares a day, paid schooling and access to a world class gym? Where's the nearest little old lady to mug?
Oh, right, there's that thing about becoming Big Leroy's prag. Never mind, then.
In Turkish prisons if you piss off the guards they tie your leg to the bed. Harder to fight off the other Turks.
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by Anonymous User on 03:18 PM June 29th, 2004 EST (#13)
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By about 5 years last time I looked
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Roy, just what in the hell were you thinking? Go sit in the corner and lick your wrist until you accept a plea bargain to not pull this crap again!
One thing you can do to redeem yourself is to write that letter to the Michigan Parole Board in support of Will Hetherington.
Lastly, the Salad Block comment was uncalled for. Prison rape is nothing any self-respecting men's activist should joke about. It is a desecration of our movement. Far too often we MRAs to show that we're "fair" are much harder on men than we are on women, a kind of knee-jerk chivalry to show we're not women-haters. This gotta stop. Would any person here gleefully condemn a woman convicted of statutory rape to a daily gangrape? No? Then unless you're a radical feminist, don't be so cavalier with the well-being of your brethren.
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If the female teacher who sent the love notes to 13-year-old boys was not a serious enough infraction, [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/207340 p-178798c.html]consider this.[/url]
Here we have a newlywed female teacher seducing a 14 YEAR OLD. Notice the lighthearted headline and the general slack the press cuts the female teacher. Notice the difference in the charges. (You might also note that she was NOT raising 3 children at home like the officer.) If this father got 4 years and sex offender status for a 16 year old, what do you think her punishment should be?
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Somehow the url didn't come out right.
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Somehow the url didn't come out right.
Cuz you didn't use good html code (a href and stuff) but sissified BBCode, which doesn't work with Slash. :-)
da link
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by Anonymous User on 03:25 PM June 29th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Yeah,they sure sounded like they were trying to sugar coat what that woman did.
But that`s America for you,a man will get years in prison for fooling with a 16 year old and a woman will probably be let off for fooling with a immature 14 year old.
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This is more about cops abusing their power, influence and authority than discrimination against men.
Police abuse of power through force and intimidation is a serious issue, and cops often use various means to make it work for them sexually by trumping up tickets to give to hot women and offering to take them out instead, using patrol cars to cruise for dates and stopping them to get their numbers (or using police computers to look up their names and addresses),
"interrogating" them as witnesses etc. All police social activity should be restricted to off-hours, but bimbo-hopping seems to have become a "perk" of police-duty when they're not busy harassing citizens they don't consider "dating material."
As for prison rape, that's grossly over-exaggerated since vitually all prison sex is consensual, however cops get special protection in prison since most law-enforcement is a big cult where they take care of their own and hold civilians in contempt; in this regard, he definitely took advantage of society for his own purposes by breaching the boundaries of trust between citizens and law enforcement.
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by Anonymous User on 02:26 PM June 30th, 2004 EST (#20)
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This is more about cops abusing their power, influence and authority than discrimination against men.
I don't see it that way. This should have nothing to do with ones occupation. In the past 3 months, I've see at least 3 female teachers getting "busted" for having sex with male minors.
Are they not in a "position of power"?
What happens to them, basicly NOTHING. They get a slap on the wrist and a "bad girl, don't do it again" speech.
Here are the statutory rape laws by state. Notice the "cop"(since this is about occupation) should have been charged with Second Degree.
Missouri
§ 566. 032 (1)
§ 566. 034 (1)
First-degree statutory rape to have sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old
Five years to life in prison
Second-degree statutory rape for someone at least age 21 to have sexual intercourse with someone who is less than age 17
Up to seven years in prison
Now for the Teacher that had sex with the 14 yr old in a portable classroom and the backseat of her suv while a 15 yr old drove. Notice She had sex with atleast 2 times.
Florida
§ 794. 05
Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors if someone age 24 or older engages in sexual activity with someone age 16 or 17.
Up to 15 years in prison
I know, someone is going to respond, "but she is 23 yrs old". It shouldnt matter. Bust her butt the same way. Prison time.
But according to the news this is what she is being charged with.
Lafave, of Riverview, is a reading teacher at Greco Middle School in Temple Terrace, a few miles north of Tampa. She was charged with two counts of lewd and lascivious battery and one count of lewd and lascivious exhibition.
Authorities say Lafave, who has been married less than a year, had sex with the student in the back of her sport utility vehicle while the student's 15- year-old cousin drove them around the Ocala area.
Monday's charges are in addition to those from last week's arrest in Temple Terrace, when she was charged with two counts of committing lewd and lascivious battery for allegedly having sex with the teen in a portable classroom at her school. She was out on bond from last week's arrest when she turned herself in Monday.
Lafave's lawyer, John Fitzgibbons, said he was not ready to respond to the allegations.
"There is a presumption of innocence in this country," he said.
Bullcrap, when it comes to the men doing it, we are guilty till proven innocent. LOL what am I talking about, there is no innocent, we are just guilty for being male.
OldManSenile
here is the link to the site where I got the info. It was a basic google search on statutory rape laws by state.
http://www.cga.state.ct.us/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/20 03-R-0376.htm
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by Anonymous User on 09:10 PM June 30th, 2004 EST (#23)
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As for prison rape, that's grossly over-exaggerated since vitually all prison sex is consensual
This is sheer nonsense. An incredible statement.
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by Anonymous User on 12:56 PM June 30th, 2004 EST (#19)
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"Fox News:
The following quotes were spoken on Fox News this morning regarding the referenced story, and I could not believe my ears. "She's a victim. She must have been abused to do this." There's probably some history of sexual abuse in her life." "This was probably a status thing for the guys in the class."
Fair and balanced Fox News with Brigette Quinn dug our the their psychological expert this morning to excuse away the behavior of this "Foxy looking" young female school teacher who repeatedly had sex with a 14 year old male student. I wanted to plead with the TV set to stop as these biased individuals completely excused away her behavior, and tried to say it was "a status thing for the guys." Where is that explanation for men when they commit this kind of sex crime. "Fair and balanced," should not have been the Fox News mantra when this story was on this morning, "sexist double standards" were clearly being used and that is not being "Fair and balanced."
According to women's studies this woman was in a position of power and control over the student and abused it. That makes her a sexual predator, but I never heard that in the Fox News coverage this morning, or the word raped. How sexist can you get? Women indeed have power and control in most educational settings these days, and the administrations of many school, if not most, are top heavy with female administrators so why are we suddenly throwing out the way that sexual harassment laws routinely work in schools? This case and this reporting is just one more example of the hateful bigotry and double standards that males face in American society and news media's today.
Ray"
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by Anonymous User on 03:25 PM June 30th, 2004 EST (#21)
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I don`t see why people would think that Fox News would be any different than any other media outlet.
I used to have cable and I never saw Fox deal with any kind of men`s issues.
MSNBC is in the same boat.They sugar coated the Mary Kay LaTourneau case as an "unusual love affair".
Although I think that MSNBC guy Dan Abrams had some unkind words about a female sex offender,but the unkind words are few and far between on cable news.
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by Anonymous User on 06:46 PM June 30th, 2004 EST (#22)
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"I don`t see why people would think that Fox News would be any different than any other media outlet."
Just when you think they're different and wise to the feminist propaganda they (Fox News) hit you with their chivalrous prejudices. Their double standard (IMO), chivalrously holding men to strict standards that they do not hold women to is no less misandric than other news outlets, just different, more traditional.
Ray
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