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Reminds me of my friend Eric. It's been more than twenty years ago now that I knew him in Munich. He was a 20 year-old American student at the German campus of the University of Maryland. He never did very well in school. He was always in trouble. Always high on drugs. I befriended him because we shared an interest in music. Everyone saw him as another loser guy.
That spring he was down by the swollen Isar river when a girl went by screaming for help. Of all the people who saw her, Eric was the one who jumped in after her. It cost him his life.
I too am tired of hearing women "researchers" denigrate men as intrinsically violent and evil. The heroic qualities I see in Eric and this 6 year-old kid are not rare, they are commonplace in men. I would like to hear that acknowledged by these women.
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What about the boy's parents? All this talk about the little girl and her parents saying she will be put into counseling I think is the wrong focus.
Otherwise - I was saved from drowning TWICE by two different men [if I remember right, which is hard considering I was maybe 4 at the time] at different friends-who-had-pools houses. One time it was another little girl's father who saved me, another time was the teenage son of the lady that owned the pool. Both times, there were lots of other people around, including my mother, but the men the first to notice and take action. Some feminists might contribute it to machismo, I say that it's because they were just decent people as many many men are likely to be.
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by Anonymous User on 08:34 PM June 12th, 2004 EST (#3)
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"What about the boy's parents? All this talk about the little girl and her parents saying she will be put into counseling I think is the wrong focus."
CL:
A friend of mine whose in the medical profession said (and not cruelly) that it might have been better if the little boy had died. The little boy will likely be a vegetable for the rest of his life due to the amount of time his brain was without oxygen, while underwater.
You are correct in saying that the reporter is misfocused. The parents of this little boy have, for all practical intents, lost their son.
Ray
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"The next time a gender feminist wants to stereotype all men and boys as violent or evil by saying, 'What can males do to stop their violence against females,' tell the bigot about this story, and ask her what she ever selflessly did to make the world a better place for 'all' people."
Or ask her what females can do to stop their violence against males in domestic violence situations. (Since females are at least as likely as males to initiate physical violence, and more likely to commit the most severe assault.)
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by Anonymous User on 10:11 PM June 12th, 2004 EST (#5)
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... even if he hadn't saved her life. And if the positions were reversed and she had not saved his, she would have been good anyway as well.
What I am saying here perhaps not too well is that this boy need not have done anything as good as trying to save someone's life to be good. I am pointing up here the tendency to speak of men as good when they are seen as being useful to someone else. Phrases like "a good man is hard to find," are basically saying "A man who serves others, especially politicians, women, and children, to the point that he is outstanding at it, is hard to find." It's the underlying assumption that "good" = "useful" when it comes to men that I bristle at. Women and girls are not held to any such standard of judgment.
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by Anonymous User on 12:22 AM June 13th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"What I am saying here perhaps not too well is that this boy need not have done anything as good as trying to save someone's life to be good."
I agree, many gender feminists today treat men who die sacrificially for others as just another proof of their patriarchal privilege. They say those men disproportionately get into high paying jobs that women should have.
Men are conditioned from an early age to be "manly," and most often by peers who learn it from older boys and men. I believe a lot of men's sacrificial, heroic behavior is learned. Historically, men have been the disposable gender. Perhaps it is time, in this day of liberation, to level the playing field and not do anything to help others (especially females) if it involves endangering our own lives. That might sound really callous to some, but please read on.
I was at a domestic violence conference in Long Beach, and a very snotty domestic violence trainer told me that the Firemen and Policemen who got killed at the World Trade Center, "got what they deserved," and the only reason they were there was, because "they were privileged patriarchs who shouldn't have been there in the first place if the playing field had been level." I told the woman she was full of hot are and that I doubted they could find enough qualified women to replace all those men in those jobs. She also insulted the construction trades, who built those buildings saying, "women were discriminated against in the construction industry." I told her, "most women can't cut it, in those jobs." She said women could and that it was all just discrimination in the system. I told her I doubted that she could cut it in those jobs, and instead of spouting off with nothing but hot air, she should just show me. "You're nothing but hot air," I told her, "show me." She threw some more femi-babble at me so I told her to say something that wasn't so clearly refutable, and that she sounded like some parrot that just fell out of a woman's studies text book.
Very few women can really cut it in those jobs. It's not about discrimination. It's about the ability to do the job.
Given the hatred of men, and the discrimination that men face by gender feminist hate mongers in our society today, the time is long past due for men to stop endangering their lives needlessly when their sacrifices are only met with ingratitude, scorn, and insults.
Men need to work on their own self worth, independent of seeking the approval of the opposite sex.
Even if men could do all that, I think there is still a noble side to most men "nature," that inspires them to be courageous out of love and caring for other people. You'll never hear that in a women's studies class, or a batterer's program, but I think that is very much the "nature" of men too. That may protect and help women to survive, but it doesn't do a danged thing for "good" men, who a gender feminist wouldn't recognize if she feel over him after he saved her life.
Ray
(click) Privileged Patriarch
(click) Death Is The Greatest Indicator of Oppression
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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... and "heros" were expected to readily sacrifice themselves in their roles as protectors of women and children.
Our more modern idea of chivalry still clings to this ancient code of male disposability.
The remarks by the feminazi DV trainer above show just how much credit men get for acting heroically from the rabid gender-fascist crowd.
Funny how there weren't any feminists protesting about patriarchal privilege as the cops and firemen raced into the Twin Towers to save lives irregardless of ideology.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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